View Full Version : City open talks with AC Milan over Kaka
stringy
13-01-09, 10:31 PM
Breaking news on sky?
Well he must be fucking stupid if he signs for them or skint!!
It will say a lot about his ambition if he was to join a team 15th in the league and no hope whatsoever of getting into the Champs League.
anfieldanfield
13-01-09, 10:42 PM
Like it or not, Man City are going to chuck money at their problems until they are solved.
Money can buy success. And Man City have a shit load of cash....
Leyton388
13-01-09, 10:52 PM
£95m
It will say a lot about his ambition if he was to join a team 15th in the league and no hope whatsoever of getting into the Champs League.
Milan aren't in the CL this year.
I'd like to think he doesn't go, but with their money, who knows what'll happen.
lickedlollipop
13-01-09, 11:17 PM
damn Sheiks
Joe King
13-01-09, 11:18 PM
Go for it. I would love to see Kaka in the Premiership. At the end of the day, to quote all footballers, the Man City will be even more lop sided than it is now. I don't see how Kaka in the grand scheme of things will be different to Robinho. I personally feel Hughes will leave in the summer and whoever takes on the role, is taking a poisoned chalice.
lickedlollipop
13-01-09, 11:21 PM
Mancini maybe ?
Mancini maybe ? or mourinho i can see him taking this job the chance to destroy the scum in there own back yard and the money available will be too tempting,and hes the best man to control the egos because his is the biggest of all,city are going to dominate whether we like or not im afraid.
The daily hate mail is reporting that Man Citeh have offered milan £100m and offered Kaka £500k per week.....................
:rolleyes:
Craig_H
14-01-09, 12:06 AM
How funny would it be if they signed him on those terms and then at the end of the season, wage capping came in.
They wouldnt be able to afford to pay any other players :haha:
JohnDoe
14-01-09, 06:47 AM
I actually hope it happens and the poor bastards do well. It's tough to be a Citeh fan. Kaka in the Premier League? Lovely.
as has been said it would say a lot about him imo
he wont sign
EwarWoo
14-01-09, 08:08 AM
Personally I don't think it would say anything negative about him if he joins.
The money they have and their willingness to spend it they could well be building something special.
Anyone joining now as a chance to say they were part of building the foundations of it.
Surely that's as much of a personal challenge as playing in the CL?
Sure, it could be about the wages, but there are other possibilities so a bit rash to judge.
Personally I doubt he'll sign in the end, but if he does and if he is paid £500k a week......well frankly I think that is obscene.
City desperately need defenders and a holding midfielder and they get Kaka. :D
i hear its kaka,s dream to play alongside this fella
http://http://img.skysports.com/08/08/218x298/stephen-ireland_1101555.jpg
i hear its kaka,s dream to play alongside this fella
http://img.skysports.com/08/08/218x298/stephen-ireland_1101555.jpg
I rate Stephen Ireland, but one thing he isn't is Andrea Pirlo.
I rate Stephen Ireland, but one thing he isn't is Andrea Pirlo.
he,d love his hair i bet
Maxiedge
14-01-09, 08:35 AM
If the deal goes through with the money being mentioned, it will only bring misery to their club. The game, much like anything else, is about balance, building steadily, building foundations and disturbing the forces with a rash act like this will never bring long term success. This greed for a quick fix will result in a quick downfall.
If the deal goes through with the money being mentioned, it will only bring misery to their club. The game, much like anything else, is about balance, building steadily, building foundations and disturbing the forces with a rash act like this will never bring long term success. This greed for a quick fix will result in a quick downfall.
the arabs are givin it the big bollix - they said they would and are
i can honestly say if someone did this with our club i would be devastated
It's a weird one, City's problems don't seem to lie in the attacking midfielder stakes, so going for Kaka is odd.
If they're after shattering records they should be looking at Buffon and Villa which are two areas they need reinforcement.
It's a weird one, City's problems don't seem to lie in the attacking midfielder stakes, so going for Kaka is odd.
If they're after shattering records they should be looking at Buffon and Villa which are two areas they need reinforcement.
i find this guy so over rated :shake:
Maxiedge
14-01-09, 08:42 AM
the arabs are givin it the big bollix - they said they would and are
i can honestly say if someone did this with our club i would be devastated
absolutely
i find this guy so over rated :shake:
He is better than what they have and he'd take a world record to shift...
He is better than what they have and he'd take a world record to shift...
aye but he is still over rated imo
we have the best keeper in the world :handshake:
aye but he is still over rated imo
we have the best keeper in the world :handshake:
I wouldn't swap Reina for anyone
Kaka will get battered in the premiership, Joey Barton, Kevin Nolan, and the likes are waiting to club him into oblivion
Kaka will get battered in the premiership, Joey Barton, Kevin Nolan, and the likes are waiting to club him into oblivion
doubt it
nebbers
14-01-09, 09:02 AM
£100m? We may as well pack up and all go home if that happens. The knock on effect on other player values will be obscene. We won't be able to buy an average squad player for £20m.
I wouldn't swap Reina for anyone
I rate Casillas before both Buffon and Reina, but I can't see him ever leaving Real. Not even for 500K a week.
I rate Casillas before both Buffon and Reina, but I can't see him ever leaving Real. Not even for 500K a week.
he hasnt been much cop this year pal
I really don't think City need a new keeper. Joe Hart is a good young player. Ok so obviously if they were offered the likes of Buffon they'd take him, but they need centre-halves and holding midfielders more than a keeper.
If they are offering these kind of wages and absurd transfer fees, they will get more or less whom they want.
Great for them but the amounts of money involved are obscene IMO given the current global economic climate as well as other more important humanitairian issues facing the world.
If they are offering these kind of wages and absurd transfer fees, they will get more or less whom they want.
Great for them but the amounts of money involved are obscene IMO given the current global economic climate as well as other more important humanitairian issues facing the world.
:handshake:
if they are that fuckin loaded why not offer 30 mill for JP and have the fucker make the tea :confused:
I really think it says a lot about a person making what he does already, if he changes club just for the money!
It would clearly show a lack of ambititons like it did for Robinho and I doubt that you will win the league on players with that sort of character.
There is a reason that many clubs and managers won't offer a player silly money for them to join, if that is the only thing that motivates them. Rafa and ferguson are good examples, and barca as a club is another one.
How far did Real get under there galacticos project? They got worse than before when coming to metal in the club...
Winstonio
14-01-09, 11:27 AM
Hes going to be on 24 million a year + all his other sponsorships hitting over 30 milllion altogether.
Jeez
I actually think it's more insane to spend 10M on Wayne Bridge than 100M on Kaka. But Citeh should spend on quality defenders (no, Wayne Bridge isn't one of those) or defensive midfielders rather than forwards, they've plenty already.
Vermilion
14-01-09, 11:55 AM
Once, IF Citeh sign Kaka, they will have no trouble attracting top defenders strikers or whatever player they want/need, but fuck me it'll cost them, then again so what, money is just a play thing to them, it must be if they are talking utter stupidity like wages of 250-500 grand a week...a week ffs.
Joe King
14-01-09, 11:59 AM
I love Kaka's agents comments about ambition and Robinho:
"To accept Manchester City, Kaka wouldn't do a matter based on money", he told Corriere dello Sport. "But to the competitiveness of the English side.
"Ricky would like a strong side. He would never do something like Robinho, who, just to earn more, contented himself with not a winning solution."
I think Wayne bridge is a decent buy for them. They know that they will have to pay inflated fees and it is important to get players who fit a way of playing. Bridge has a problem in that he is shit when he comes back from injury and needs games but once settled he offers a lot defensively and going forward. He also has something to prove having been second choice for Chelsea and England.
I personally think that City are approaching team building in a unbalanced way not just in the tactical types of player they have been after. I think they need to get players on the way up rather than peak or past it. One or two experienced heads is fair enough but if they concentrate on players who have already achieved a lot I think they will struggle to blend a team.
In the short term an experienced defender and defensive, or at least deep lying midfielder will help them a great deal but for next season and beyond the targeting of established superstars, especially without the carrot of the CL seems unlikely to work for them.
Big Dave
14-01-09, 12:48 PM
I think Wayne bridge is a decent buy for them. They know that they will have to pay inflated fees and it is important to get players who fit a way of playing. Bridge has a problem in that he is shit when he comes back from injury and needs games but once settled he offers a lot defensively and going forward. He also has something to prove having been second choice for Chelsea and England.
I personally think that City are approaching team building in a unbalanced way not just in the tactical types of player they have been after. I think they need to get players on the way up rather than peak or past it. One or two experienced heads is fair enough but if they concentrate on players who have already achieved a lot I think they will struggle to blend a team.
In the short term an experienced defender and defensive, or at least deep lying midfielder will help them a great deal but for next season and beyond the targeting of established superstars, especially without the carrot of the CL seems unlikely to work for them.
Half a million a week may just soften the blow a bit mind!
anfieldanfield
14-01-09, 12:50 PM
Once, IF Citeh sign Kaka, they will have no trouble attracting top defenders strikers or whatever player they want/need
This is an important point.
Winstonio
14-01-09, 12:52 PM
Surely all our taxes are going to be reduced with the amount he is going to be paying on that 500k a week
It will say a lot about his ambition if he was to join a team 15th in the league and no hope whatsoever of getting into the Champs League.
well his agent is saying he wouldnt do a Robhino
Craig_H
14-01-09, 01:36 PM
Just reported on SSN that Kaka has rejected a move to Man City, claiming he 'wants to grow old at AC Milan'.
Baldemort
14-01-09, 01:46 PM
This is an important point.
Does anybody really think it's just not a matter of time before Citeh start amassing a top notch side. If they could lure Robinho here, it's only a matter of time before others come too. They won't be able to buy anyone, but certainly enough to break the top four in a couple of seasons, as long as they replace the hapless Hughes. The more quality they sign, the more will join.
Does anybody really think it's just not a matter of time before Citeh start amassing a top notch side. If they could lure Robinho here, it's only a matter of time before others come too. They won't be able to buy anyone, but certainly enough to break the top four in a couple of seasons, as long as they replace the hapless Hughes. The more quality they sign, the more will join.
Not sure if the Robinho transfer shows they can attract the top names. He had no choice but to leave Real after the way he got on and City wwas the only club he was allowed to speak to.
Think they will stregthen and maybe challenge for 4th spot next year but doubt many of the world class players will leave the bigger clubs until they make Europe.
Baldemort
14-01-09, 01:55 PM
I think a new manager is their number one priority.
Half a million a week may just soften the blow a bit mind!
The thing is that I'm not sure that all that many players respond to money with committed performances compared to those that want to prove things with ambition etc. I'm sure that any player that takes City's money will personally be pretty happy with their decision - whether City are as happy with them I suspect is a different matter.
Mad_Red
14-01-09, 02:06 PM
come on guys who would leave MILAN and go to a shit whole like mansister??????
I would for half a million a week
I would for half a million a week
Its true, that kind of crazy money would turn anyones head.
Joe King
14-01-09, 02:53 PM
I think Wayne bridge is a decent buy for them. They know that they will have to pay inflated fees and it is important to get players who fit a way of playing. Bridge has a problem in that he is shit when he comes back from injury and needs games but once settled he offers a lot defensively and going forward. He also has something to prove having been second choice for Chelsea and England.
I personally think that City are approaching team building in a unbalanced way not just in the tactical types of player they have been after. I think they need to get players on the way up rather than peak or past it. One or two experienced heads is fair enough but if they concentrate on players who have already achieved a lot I think they will struggle to blend a team.
In the short term an experienced defender and defensive, or at least deep lying midfielder will help them a great deal but for next season and beyond the targeting of established superstars, especially without the carrot of the CL seems unlikely to work for them.
I don't think Abu Dhabi look at it that way. They want instant success and have made no bones about it. They feel if they can get high calibre players, they will achieve Champions League football and the Premiership title. This is obviously a business model, not a football model as they probably did in Abu Dhabi, get the best people and it will deliver the best results.
What I wouldn't be surprised is that a certain Phil Scolari joins the club after being released from Chelsea what with the Brazilian contingent at the club.
I don't think Abu Dhabi look at it that way. They want instant success and have made no bones about it. They feel if they can get high calibre players, they will achieve Champions League football and the Premiership title. This is obviously a business model, not a football model as they probably did in Abu Dhabi, get the best people and it will deliver the best results.
What I wouldn't be surprised is that a certain Phil Scolari joins the club after being released from Chelsea what with the Brazilian contingent at the club.
I don't think you will get instant success by buying players at their peak or just past it - that is my point. Robinho was an ideal buy for them in many ways - lots to prove, big talent. Players going to City at the peak of their footballing prowess are going for cash and I doubt that mentality will not help turn round what is a struggling team or take it to the next level.
The first wave of Chelsea big money signings was dominated by up and coming players and those yet to have hit the big stage with the odd Makelele to sort out specific roles. It is a wise model in my opinion. The risk being that if you stop being wiling to pay top dollar on potential you end up with Kalou, balancing sub par future talent with players without real hunger (Ballack and Shevchenko for example) is for me where Chelsea started to slide. Along with the fact that their investment in youth is yet to show dividends even in the Insua to Plessis rank of impact on the team.
I accept what you say about the business model but I just think that that attitude needs modifying when building a club.
Some of the signs (bids for Parker and Bridge) show some signs of knowledge of football team building but I think that as I have said the ages of the players they are seeking to recruit seem wrong to me. I do accept however that City do have a couple of young players that could be moulded to give the team some vitality but the careers of say Johnson and Richards have stalled badly and they show no signs of improving and Ireland will struggle to displace Kaka and Robinho if big money is spent on them.
Joe King
14-01-09, 03:38 PM
I don't think you will get instant success by buying players at their peak or just past it - that is my point. Robinho was an ideal buy for them in many ways - lots to prove, big talent. Players going to City at the peak of their footballing prowess are going for cash and I doubt that mentality will not help turn round what is a struggling team or take it to the next level.
The first wave of Chelsea big money signings was dominated by up and coming players and those yet to have hit the big stage with the odd Makelele to sort out specific roles. It is a wise model in my opinion. The risk being that if you stop being wiling to pay top dollar on potential you end up with Kalou, balancing sub par future talent with players without real hunger (Ballack and Shevchenko for example) is for me where Chelsea started to slide. Along with the fact that their investment in youth is yet to show dividends even in the Insua to Plessis rank of impact on the team.
I accept what you say about the business model but I just think that that attitude needs modifying when building a club.
Some of the signs (bids for Parker and Bridge) show some signs of knowledge of football team building but I think that as I have said the ages of the players they are seeking to recruit seem wrong to me. I do accept however that City do have a couple of young players that could be moulded to give the team some vitality but the careers of say Johnson and Richards have stalled badly and they show no signs of improving and Ireland will struggle to displace Kaka and Robinho if big money is spent on them.
Surely putting bids for Kaka isn't going to help with the long term prospects of the club? In fact, it could turn out more destablising rather than inspiring. There will be a huge circus for one of the best players in the world and the last thing City need is the bickering between the egos.
I can understand Hughes buying Parker and Bridge - they are two players who would do well at that level and would easily slot into the side. My questioning is more directed to the Arab contingent who would instead of looking at building a side would prefer to buy expensive players in a bid that they would win cups and titles.
Craig_H
14-01-09, 03:51 PM
Is there not a point where, as a multi millionaire, the money stops even meaning anything?
For example, if you've got £20m in the bank and you're on £5m a year, but someone offers you £12m a year, would the money really make the difference?
What would you want to buy, but cant afford when you've got millions in the bank?
An Abramovich type super yacht to waste time on, a private plane, £10m mansions in various different countries, Future owner or LFC? Every possible supercar on the planet or maybe your own private luxury island?
Hmmmm money can buy you lots, couple of hundred million can buy you anything
Craig_H
14-01-09, 04:00 PM
An Abramovich type super yacht to waste time on, a private plane, £10m mansions in various different countries, Future owner or LFC? Every possible supercar on the planet or maybe your own private luxury island?
Hmmmm money can buy you lots, couple of hundred million can buy you anything
I guess if you use the limits of one's imagination, you're right but i cant believe someone would really sacrifice the quality of their career in football, especially with it being pretty short anyway, by going to a shite club like Man City.
I suppose it's different from the point of view of an 'normal' member of society who gets by but is by no means 'rich', but i cant envisage a scenario where someone could remain unsatisfied with having/earning £20m or so.
come on guys who would leave MILAN and go to a shit whole like mansister??????
Robinho :handshake:
I would for half a million a week
Also if you already where making around £ 8 mill a year + sponsorship deals??
I mean you are already making more than you need, and you would have to sacrifice all your ambitions and goals in your career (unless it's money of course).
The owner of Man City was pretty much born into an endless pit of money. These people don't exactly work hard for their oil wealth.
So if you being a talented, hard working footballer was offered a slice of this fortune would you turn it down? Kaka may well do so because he cares about his culture and religion, charity work etc. But if you were offered a £10m signing on fee and half a million a week i doubt you or 99.9% of players would say no
lickedlollipop
14-01-09, 04:27 PM
or mourinho i can see him taking this job the chance to destroy the scum in there own back yard and the money available will be too tempting,and hes the best man to control the egos because his is the biggest of all,city are going to dominate whether we like or not im afraid.
you know that came on my mind too. what I rly wanna see, that mancini take over some italian club so he could face inter... biatches!:handshake:
..another thing,.. i don't think Hughes actually want Kaka. i got that feeling.
Craig_H
14-01-09, 04:29 PM
What manager wouldnt want Kaka?
Ofcourse he doesn't want Kaka. He has Darius Vassel and Benjani in attack
Vermilion
15-01-09, 11:12 AM
The owner of Man City was pretty much born into an endless pit of money. These people don't exactly work hard for their oil wealth.
So if you being a talented, hard working footballer was offered a slice of this fortune would you turn it down? Kaka may well do so because he cares about his culture and religion, charity work etc. But if you were offered a £10m signing on fee and half a million a week i doubt you or 99.9% of players would say no
Kaka says he is going to become a preacher when he stops playing, he already spends fortunes on his Charities back home, so i think he'll look at it and think...wow, how many childrens homes could i build with that sort of cash...FiveHunderedThousandPounds...EVERY 7 FWCKIN DAYS, hard to resist for the self styled crusader for good, and 'good' costs money.:handshake:
But i hate the way this is going, i expected them to spend, but this is silly. Yes if it was us it would be hard, no impossible not be excited, but still, it's not good for LFC.
you know that came on my mind too. what I rly wanna see, that mancini take over some italian club so he could face inter... biatches!:handshake:
..another thing,.. i don't think Hughes actually want Kaka. i got that feeling.
What manager wouldnt want Kaka?
Well, quite. I see the point that is being made in that I don't think that Hughes would necessarily want him to be an early recruit in a team building process but there is rarely any harm upgrading a player to one of teh best in teh world.
Ofcourse he doesn't want Kaka. He has Darius Vassel and Benjani in attack
Always makes me smile when Vassel gets a game for the worlds richest team.
Manchester City assistant manager Mark Bowen says Brazilian superstar Kaka is "very close" to a world record-breaking transfer from Italian giants AC Milan.
A City delegation has been in Italy and reportedly made a bid in the region of £100m for the midfielder.
The 26-year-old had earlier vowed to stay at the San Siro but Bowen told BBC Sport Wales: "We believe the deal is very close.
"We are selling the future plans of the club to the player."
Kaka's adviser Diogo Kotscho said the 2007 Fifa World Player of the Year would be open to a move to Manchester City if Milan wanted to sell.
And Mark Hughes' right-hand-man Bowen revealed: "I've read a lot about his love of AC Milan - and that goes without saying - but even when people said the deal was dead, that was not our understanding.
"We are still hopeful of still signing Kaka.
"The situation has been a surprise to everyone but obviously negotiations have been going on for a fair while.
"How close we are I don't know but our understanding is that it is very much a strong possibility that Kaka will be coming to Manchester City."
Some media outlets reported that the deal was off because Man City had decided to withdraw their offer to Milan.
But Hughes told a news conference on Thursday that the club were continuing their pursuit of the player, insisting that "negotiations are still taking place".
It is impossible to say whether it will go through or not but we will let everyone know when there is something to say
Mark Hughes
Hughes also said he was very much part of discussions to bring Kaka to Eastlands.
"It would be naive to think I have not been involved in discussions over this transfer. I have had meetings about it and have had an input," said the Welshman.
"It is impossible to say whether it will go through or not but we will let everyone know when there is something to say."
Kaka's representative insists any move to Manchester City would be done for the right reasons and not just for the reported £500,000-a-week wages.
"It is not impossible, if Milan let us talk, then we will see what City have to offer," Kotscho told BBC 5 Live.
"Kaka knows about the offer but the club did not give authorisation for talks, so we did not meet.
"It was a great proposal but it's not about only money.
"We have to see if Manchester City have a project to become a Champions League team and become one of the top teams in the world, and to stay there long term."
"Kaka wouldn't do anything based on money," Kotscho earlier told Italian newspaper Corriere dello Sport.
Kaka move will change English football - Shearer
Previously Kaka had told the website of Mediaset, a TV company owned by Milan owner Silvio Berlusconi how he wanted to stay at the club for life.
"I want to grow old at Milan," he said.
"I repeat what I have always said. Other clubs can make all the offers they want but it all depends on Milan.
"As I have said before, as long as Milan share my goals, I would like to stay here. Then if one day the club wants to sell me, than that would be a different matter altogether.
"My aim is to become at some point in the future the captain of this team."
With Paolo Maldini currently holding the AC Milan skipper's armband, Kaka added: "I know there is a hierarchy and Maldini and (Massimo) Ambrosini are before me, but after..."
606: DEBATE
To pay someone £500,000 per week to kick a football, no matter how brilliantly, perfectly illustrates just how insane our world actually is
BBC Sport's Paul Fletcher
AC Milan confirmed that their chief executive Adriano Galliani had met officials from City on Tuesday to discuss Kaka's future.
In a statement, the Serie A club said: "Galliani received a delegation from Manchester City yesterday in Milan as a gesture of courtesy like always in these cases. There are no talks at the moment."
The current record for a player's signature is £46m when France's Zinedine Zidane moved from Juventus to Real Madrid in 2001.
Kaka joined Serie A giants Milan from Sao Paulo in 2003 and has since won the league title, Champions League and Club World Cup.
The attacking midfielder has scored 86 goals in 244 appearances for Milan. He has also picked up 62 caps for Brazil and scored 23 goals.
Sheikh Mansour bin Zayed Al Nahyan, estimated to be worth £15bn, took over as City owner in September 2008 and extensive funds have been made available to Hughes.
However, he has only secured the services of Wayne Bridge in January's transfer window, with bids rejected for West Ham forward Craig Bellamy and Blackburn striker Roque Santa Cruz.
The four-man delegation that travelled to Italy to initiate talks with the Milan officials is believed to have included executive chairman Garry Cook and two representatives of the Sheikh.
RECORD TRANSFERS
£47m Zinedine Zidane (Juventus - Real Madrid)
£37m Luis Figo (Barcelona - Real Madrid)
£34m Hernan Jorge Crespo (Parma - Lazio)
£32.5m Robinho (Real Madrid - Man City)
£31m Christian Vieri (Lazio - Inter Milan)
£30.75m Dimitar Berbatov (Tottenham - Manchester United)
BBC Radio 5 Live's senior football reporter Ian Dennis says the move underlines Sheikh Mansour's "desire to transform Manchester City", although he added "actually pulling off what would be an incredible coup is another matter entirely".
With the club struggling in 15th position in the Premier League, it would give City an incredible boost if they were to seal the deal for one of the world's best players.
However, it is thought the move to target Kaka is being driven by the club's top officials rather than Hughes himself.
Kaka is under contract at the San Siro until 2013, and although he stated last February that he wanted to remain at Milan for the rest of his career, he did hint at a desire to play in the Premier League - which he has described as the "best championship in the world".
Every player has his price - Marcotti
Italian football expert Gabrielle Marcotti told BBC Radio 5 Live he believed the City delegation had begun conversations with Milan representatives talking about signing goalkeeper Nelson Dida.
"As I understand it, they went to Milan supposedly under the ruse of talking about another player and in the course of the conversation they brought up Kaka and said they would be prepared to spend this much," Marcotti said.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_city/7830199.stm
The Erectile Banana
15-01-09, 11:44 AM
Interesting report.
Kaka was distancing himself from a deal yesterday.
Looks like it could still be on.
It will happen. Milan can't afford to refuse that offer and once its accepted Kaka will move
Vermilion
15-01-09, 12:07 PM
It will happen. Milan can't afford to refuse that offer and once its accepted Kaka will move
He'll see it as a message from God, giving him almost unlimited wealth to do good in future...he'll move if Milan decide to sell, for sure.
The Erectile Banana
15-01-09, 12:09 PM
It will happen. Milan can't afford to refuse that offer and once its accepted Kaka will move
Milan would be stupid to refuse such a large offer.
Kaka hasn't been brilliant for them since the season before last and 100M would go a long way towards rebuilding their aging side.
Craig_H
15-01-09, 02:15 PM
Copied from elsewhere, made me chuckle...
Kaka Call
I have come across dialogue between Man City and AC Milan superstar Kaka. Unfortunately I only have the script from the City end but I think it is clear for all as to the total content:
"Hello, is that Kaka? How do you fancy becoming the supply line to Craig Bellamy and Darius Vassell this winter?
"No, your fellow countryman doesn't like the cold and will be out until mid April - but you will play alongside Stephen Ireland"
"No, Kaka, Ireland is a person not a country"
"yes, I fully appreciate that he is not Ronaldinho, Pirlo or even Beckham but many fans have him in their fantasy football"
"I know you are currently the richest man in Italy but we can double it!"
"erm, well, we have had a bit of a slide recently and we are currently 15th"
"erm, out of 20...... but Mark Hughes once won the double for our neighbours"
"Hughes"
"Ex Blackburn boss"
"Blackburn, Blackburn Rovers"
"No, Blackburn......Black.....Burn"
"HUGHES man, HUGHES!!!"
"He once scored a good goal against Spain"
"No, thats Gerry Armstrong..... anyway, are you coming or not?"
"Usually about two thirds full but if we play a big team its really rocks"
"yes I know, but we dont even have a car park cos all the fans walk to the ground they are so local"
"Relevance? well, I suppose its all they have to brag about whether its true or not"
"Only the one to be fair but its called 'blue moon' you will love it"
"Blue"
"yes, definitely blue, always has been"
"No, no, no, they are in Trafford"
"yes they are, steeped in it in fact but what good is history to you my ambitious friend?"
"erm, 1976 I think"
"it was the er, the er League cup if memory serves me right"
"Well, the plan was to get in the top 4 this season and then....."
"yes, I realise that but....."
"Aston Villa? Whats it got to do with them?"
"Yes, I know but we have been down this history route already"
"How the heck does a Brazilian playing in Italy know about Nottingham Forest?"
"Yes, yes, and Leeds United also made a final but you are missing my point, this is all about the future"
"Give me strength......HUGHES!!!!"
"yes I know he did and he was a legend there but he is a changed man"
"forget them, they are falling apart"
"But all those trophies were won last year! They have won nothing in 2009"
"I have told you.... 1976!!!!"
"How the heck does a Brazilian playing in Italy know that Virginia Wade has won Wimbledon since then?"
"Yes she probably is in her 60's"
"I dont know, probably about 10 league titles, 2 european cups and countless domestic cups what has that got to do with it?"
"76,000 why?"
"yes, every game, even minor cups I suppose, but where is this getting us?"
"Yes, the league cup is considered a minor cup over here why?"
"I know, I know, I know, ok perhaps they won the FA Cup in 1970 or something does it really matter?"
"look, Kaka, we will treble whatever you are on now, buy you a mansion in Alderley Edge and give you a helicopter for your front lawn....are you joining us?"
"NO!, its owned by the council - what has the ground got to do with anything"
"well, officially its the city of manchester stadium but most people call it Eastlands"
"EAST!, not Waste"
"You will be adored there"
"No, not there, here I meant"
"No, thats Old Trafford, I meant adored here at Waste....erm, Eastlands"
"Anderson??? what does he know?"
"Ok I hear what you say, but other than Pride, Ambition, Achievement, History, Passion and a large car park - what can they offer you?"
"what do you mean no credit left in your phone.....I phoned you"
"Hello, Mr Kaka,...... Mr Kaka are you there?............................YOU RED B*ST*RD!!!!!"
Copied from elsewhere, made me chuckle...
Reads like it's from redcafe. :chunks:
Craig_H
15-01-09, 02:28 PM
Reads like it's from redcafe. :chunks:
I dunno, might be. I saw it on another LFC forum.
I dunno, might be. I saw it on another LFC forum.
I wasn't accusing you of anything :source:
Just looks like a Manc has written it. :D
Craig_H
15-01-09, 02:32 PM
Accuse to your heart's content :D
Manchester City boss Mark Hughes says the club's big-money move for Brazilian superstar Kaka makes football and business sense.
Talks are ongoing between City and AC Milan over a reported world record £91m transfer for the 26-year-old.
"The money involved is something we feel, from a football and business point of view, works," said Hughes.
"The process has moved forward at a pace this week but people shouldn't be thinking that it is just a whim."
The sheer size of the figures involved in the proposed deal has made headlines around the world, but Hughes said it was all part of a considered plan from the club's hierarchy.
"It's been done with structure and understanding," he said.
"We're all very much involved in that process; myself from a football point of view and (chief executive) Garry Cook and (chairman) Khaldoon Al Mubarak from a club and business point of view.
"It would be naive to think I have not been involved in discussions over this transfer. I have had meetings about it and have had an input."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_city/7830199.stm
Manchester City boss Mark Hughes says the club's big-money move for Brazilian superstar Kaka makes football and business sense.
Talks are ongoing between City and AC Milan over a reported world record £91m transfer for the 26-year-old.
"The money involved is something we feel, from a football and business point of view, works," said Hughes.
"The process has moved forward at a pace this week but people shouldn't be thinking that it is just a whim."
The sheer size of the figures involved in the proposed deal has made headlines around the world, but Hughes said it was all part of a considered plan from the club's hierarchy.
"It's been done with structure and understanding," he said.
"We're all very much involved in that process; myself from a football point of view and (chief executive) Garry Cook and (chairman) Khaldoon Al Mubarak from a club and business point of view.
"It would be naive to think I have not been involved in discussions over this transfer. I have had meetings about it and have had an input."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_city/7830199.stm
:haha:
Kenneth
15-01-09, 03:31 PM
"It would be naive to think I have not been involved in discussions over this transfer. I have had meetings about it and have had an input." :haha:Yeah sure.
There was a meeting where they told him and said they wanted to bid for Kaka and Hughes agreed he was a good player. Then he was told he wasn't going to be manager next season anyway so it was none of his business.
Craig_H
15-01-09, 04:28 PM
:haha:Yeah sure.
There was a meeting where they told him and said they wanted to bid for Kaka and Hughes agreed he was a good player. Then he was told he wasn't going to be manager next season anyway so it was none of his business.
:haha:
According to today's Guardian, City are so confident of signing Kaka they have decided on this formation for his first match.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/jan/15/manchester-city-kaka-milan-transfer
Is it just me, or it is a bit like Spurs' 'Famous Five' set-up of the mid-90s, and we all know what happened there.
JohnDoe
16-01-09, 11:01 AM
They need a stronger spine (CB and DM) to make it work.
carheex
16-01-09, 04:44 PM
The most bizarre thing is that Kaka has apparently said he wants Man City to prove they are building a world class squad........and then I read that they are still trying to sign Craig Bellamy!!!!:haha::haha::haha: and:haha:
Kenneth
16-01-09, 04:56 PM
And this is their problem. Hughes will be looking to build a solid squad full of proven but often unglamorous premiership proven players, but the owners, and increasingly the fans, appear to want global stars. New manager in the summer is a garantee I'd think. Hiddink etc.
They have bid for De Jong from Hamburg as well apparently
BBC say De Jong is available on a release clause for less than £2m in the summer but Citeh are offering over £13m now
:eyebrow:
the rev leeroy brown
16-01-09, 07:23 PM
spending big now cause if they dont they prob be in championship next year.
lickedlollipop
16-01-09, 07:27 PM
And this is their problem. Hughes will be looking to build a solid squad full of proven but often unglamorous premiership proven players, but the owners, and increasingly the fans, appear to want global stars. New manager in the summer is a garantee I'd think. Hiddink etc.
exactly:handshake:
p.s. man city doesnt deserve hiddink ;)
Leyton388
16-01-09, 07:29 PM
Could have been us. Thanks Mr Moores
Could have been us. Thanks Mr Moores
No thanks, i would never want us to turn into such a souless club
Torres tells it like it is:-
Liverpool striker Fernando Torres believes Manchester City would not be the correct club for Brazilian star Kaka.
City's billionaire owners have apparently tabled an audacious bid of £108million for the AC Milan playmaker, who is set to receive a reported weekly wage of £500,000 should a deal be reached.
But Torres believes City's lack of silverware in recent years should serve as a warning that success will not necessarily follow on the heels of a record-breaking move to Eastlands.
"Manchester City is not the right team for Kaka," Torres told the Daily Mail.
"Seriously, how can they pay £100million for Kaka?
Fight
"Big players want to win trophies and Manchester City is not even in the race for trophies in England. They are fighting to stay in the Premier League, or to get to the middle of the table.
"They have to build from there and then go against the biggest clubs and after that, maybe, a top player will join them.
"Chelsea were high in the league before they started to sign really big stars. Now everyone wants to play for Chelsea, but they did not when (owner) Roman Abramovich first arrived. They built a strong club and then it happened."
The Spaniard added that the staggering sums of money on offer to Kaka should not be the primary motivation for leaving Serie A.
"For now, I cannot imagine Kaka playing for Manchester City," he continued.
Fantastic
"It would be a fantastic contract, yes, but there are other things more important than money. A player wants to be remembered for what he has won.
"Imagine 10 years after you stop playing, you go back, you look around, you are not in any picture, you have no medals, no trophies; it is like you played for nothing.
"You may have a fantastic car, a fantastic home, but what does it matter?
"You can have a contract that is better than your friends, but no player looks back and says, 'I won more money'."
:respect::respect:
Leyton388
17-01-09, 02:39 PM
Fantastic by torres that.
lickedlollipop
17-01-09, 03:48 PM
It's ease to say. He'll have a chance when they'll offer a bid for him. ;)
edit: til' then he's red!
not going....
That is all - if you care!
oh really, is this confirmed?
I dont blame him, seemed more like he was being railroaded into accepting the move.
from the bbc website
Kaka rejects Manchester City move
Kaka joined AC Milan from Brazilian side Sao Paulo in 2003
AC Milan playmaker Kaka has turned down a lucrative move to Manchester City.
"Kaka is staying at Milan," said a club spokesman, after team owner Silvio Berlusconi told Italian television the 26-year-old had opted not to leave.
City issued a statement saying they had ended talks, believing it was unlikely a deal could be struck with Milan.
"A transfer must work commercially, financially, results on the field and within City's broader community," said executive chairman Garry Cook.
Turning down so much money is something to admire
Milan owner Silvio Berlusconi
"The discussions reached only a preliminary stage and the player was not involved at any time." added Cook, who spent Monday in meetings with Milan officials and Kaka's father and advisor Bosco Leite. "No commercial terms were framed."
City's bid for Kaka was reportedly worth a £100m, more than £50m than the current world transfer fee record Real Madrid paid to Juventus to sign Zinedine Zidane in 2001 and that the Premier League club were willing to pay the Brazilian weekly wages of £500,000.
"That's the end of the story," Berlusconi told Italian television. "I'm truly delighted to have kept Kaka at Milan.
Watch Kaka's wonder goal for Brazil against Argentina
"Kaka is a great champion and a great man. He's refused the offer from Manchester City giving privilege to Milan, his companions and his fans.
"He said it's because money isn't everything in life. Kaka is staying with us and we're delighted. Money is important, but there are also other things that are important.
"The fans are delighted too. Turning down so much money is something to admire."
Earlier hundred of Milan fans had protested outside the club's headquarters over the possible sale of the Brazilian to Manchester City in a £100m transfer.
Fans had also gathered outside Kaka's house and he responded by beating his hand three times on his heart while holding a Milan shirt. RECORD TRANSFERS
£46m Zinedine Zidane (Juventus - Real Madrid), July 2001
£37m Luis Figo (Barcelona - Real Madrid), July 2000
£34m Hernan Jorge Crespo (Parma - Lazio), July 2000
£33m Gianluigi Buffon (Parma - Juventus), July 2001
£32.5m Robinho (Real Madrid - Man City), Aug 2008
£31m Christian Vieri (Lazio - Inter Milan), June 1999
£30.75m Dimitar Berbatov (Tottenham - Manchester United), Aug 2008
On Saturday Kaka had played in Milan's 1-0 win over Fiorentina at the San Siro, with the home fans displaying banners such as "Kaka is Priceless" and "Hands Off Kaka", and singing "Don't Sell Kaka".
After the game England international David Beckham, who is currently on loan at Milan from US club LA Galaxy, had predicted the Brazilian would opt to stay at the San Siro.
"I don't think anybody in the dressing room is thinking about how much money they can earn," said the England international.
"It's about playing with the best team, with the best players in the world and winning trophies, and it's not always about money.
"Riccardo doesn't need my advice. He will decide what he wants to do, but he loves Milan. I don't think he will leave." 606: DEBATE
£100m is just madness, and in a way it is good for football he said no
TFP
Kaka joined Serie A giants Milan from Sao Paulo in 2003 and has since won the Italian league title, Champions League and Club World Cup.
The attacking midfielder has scored 86 goals in 244 appearances for Milan. He has also picked up 62 caps for Brazil and scored 23 goals.
Sheikh Mansour bin Zayed Al Nahyan, estimated to be worth £15bn, took over as City owner in September 2008 and extensive funds have been made available to City manager Mark Hughes.
So far he has secured the services of Wayne Bridge and Craig Bellamy during the January transfer window.
"It would have been an astonishing coup for City," BBC Radio 5 Live's senior football reporter Ian Dennis.
"But was Kaka ever going to come to City for football reasons?"
Kaka is under contract at the San Siro until 2013, and although he stated last February that he wanted to remain at Milan for the rest of his career, he had hinted at a desire to play in the Premier League - which he has described as the "best championship in the world".
good on him for standing his ground, this move could have been a disaster for football and possibly ended up ruining his career. Good a player as he is would he have coped with all the extra pressure of the tranfer fee?
not going....
That is all - if you care! i think city knew they had no chance of signing him, but what a scam to put your name on the map,there will nobody in europe and maybe the world of football that will not know who man city are now and that was there problem.
Joe King
20-01-09, 12:39 AM
He is possibly a minority of players who has decided against a move purely based on money and for one, I absolutely applaud him for that. He was already high in my estimation with his humble approach to football and his life outside of football but this has elevated him to another level.
Fair play to him. Personally i would have took the money. Could do so much charity work by taking that kind of money off those eejits
Good man Kaka :handshake:
They were saying on the radio this morning that Robinho has fucked off to Brazil :haha: (probably not true though).
Anyway, at least they have signed Bellamy. Just the kind of signing the worlds richest club should be making :rock:
Robinho quits City training camp
Robinho
The Brazilian forward is British football's record signing
Robinho could be punished by Manchester City after leaving the club's training camp in Tenerife without permission.
City have given no official reason for the Brazilian's departure and are refusing to comment on speculation that he has returned to South America.
But executive chairman Garry Cook told the BBC: "I do know Robinho is not at the training centre in Tenerife.
"If he has left the training ground it is a breach of club discipline. I am waiting for a full debrief."
City smashed the British transfer record when they paid Real Madrid £32.5m for the 24-year-old in August last year.
The Brazilian striker has scored 12 goals for his new club and become a favourite of the club's fans.
More to follow.
It seems money can't buy love. Hughes is now a dead man walking IMO.
A proven high profile Manager at City and players may just look beyond the money and acknowledge the sporting opportunity. Maybe.
sniffer
20-01-09, 10:44 AM
Good man Kaka :handshake:
They were saying on the radio this morning that Robinho has fucked off to Brazil :haha: (probably not true though).
Anyway, at least they have signed Bellamy. Just the kind of signing the worlds richest club should be making :rock:
Agree mate a good move by Kaka:rock:
Robinho has left their training camp apparently he and hughes have had an argument, i cant really see sparky staying there much longer as dont think he can cope with the robinho's and other top players the arabs want to sign.
Bellamy tho he has dealt with before so he will be ok with him.
Could have been us. Thanks Mr Moores
No thanks, i would never want us to turn into such a souless club
Don't think we would of been to be honest think rafa would of been able to get more of his plan a's rather than having to settle for plan b most of the time.
Vermilion
20-01-09, 12:04 PM
The fella from City, Cook is it, said live on radio "Milan 'Bottled' it".:haha:
Nothing to do with Kaka not wanting to go there.:haha:
lickedlollipop
21-01-09, 12:22 AM
seriously, who want to join Shity ?! only Robinho. and almighty Bellamy. hilarious.
Joe King
21-01-09, 12:37 AM
Kaka couldn't wait to partner himself up with Bellamy. Its like when Stevie Wonder collaborated with Blue - looks good to people on the street but its really quite shit.
The fella from City, Cook is it, said live on radio "Milan 'Bottled' it".:haha:
Nothing to do with Kaka not wanting to go there.:haha:
made a fool of himself and generally does
Happy Milan fans celebrating in front of Kaká's house: Clicky (http://video.gazzetta.it/?vxSiteId=f89d11d6-1424-420d-8ebb-23904200f68a&vxChannel=Tutti%20i%20video&vxClipId=2570_3eee21ea-e6e2-11dd-b371-00144f02aabc&vxBitrate=300)
Vermilion
24-01-09, 10:31 AM
made a fool of himself and generally does
:handshake: Thought myself it was a silly comment, that showed little or no class, clubs will get stubborn with cracks like that from City.
Saying that, i'm surprised at how little coverage it got, seeing as he said it live on air, thought at least one rag would attempt to stir the pot.
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