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DannyMan2006
17-03-09, 02:18 PM
Pardew causes a storm after 'rape' comment on Match of the Day 2By Sportsmail Reporter
Last updated at 6:25 PM on 16th March 2009

The BBC has apologised after Match of the Day pundit Alan Pardew generated a storm of complaint by comparing a tackle in the Chelsea v Manchester City match to 'rape'.

The former West Ham and Charlton manager was a guest on Match of the Day 2 on Sunday night when he made the comment about Michael Essien shaking off a robust tackle from City's Ched Evans.

Pardew said: 'Ched Evans is a strong boy but Essien knocked him off the ball. He absolutely rapes him there.'

Co-presenters Adrian Chiles and Alan Hansen looked stunned by the comment but no attempt was made to apologise during the show.
Women's groups condemned Pardew for using the word so lightly and are demanding an apology.
Lee Eggleston, chairwoman of Rape Crisis England and Wales, slammed Pardew for 'trivialising' sexual violence.
She said: 'The use of this language is completely inappropriate and I'm shocked to hear about it - I can't imagine why Pardew has said it.
Pardew was commenting on the attempt by City's Welsh striker Ched Evans (left) to tackle Essien (right) during the Chelsea v Manchester City game

'That something as serious as sexual assault has been mis-used to describe football is appalling.
'He has trivialised and undermined the seriousness of rape and anyone who has suffered sexual violence will rightly be angry hearing of it.
'I think he should apologise because otherwise it sets an example that it is okay to use the word rape in that context.
'We have spent 25 years making sure sexual violence is not acceptable and rape is a serious crime and this can only hurt that.'
In 2003, BBC journalist Stuart Roach described Pardew as being a 'dangerous and distant animal' due to his poor public relations abilities.
But after the Charlton Athletic manager parted company with the club in November last year he has tried to build a career as a pundit.
Pardew has been described as a 'dangerous and distant animal' due to his poor public relations abilities
It is believed that his appearance on Match of the Day 2 was his first job in the role for the BBC.
Alka Searle, acting chairwoman for SEVANA rape charity in North Staffordshire, said she is 'absolutely appalled' by his comments.
She said: 'This man needs to understand that rape is a horrific crime and not a word to be taken lightly.
'He is sending out the message that rape is a very trifling crime which doesn't mean anything and this is definitely not the case.
'I am absolutely appalled the word has been used so lightly and I think it is very inappropriate.'

Michele Campbell, who works for Rape Crisis in Nottingham, added: 'To compare rape to a tackle on a sports field marginalises the ordeal women suffer.
'It's really tactless for anyone to use rape in that particular context but especially for someone who is well-known and speaking to a massive audience.
'This man should know better because he has a responsibility to his viewers, in which he has totally failed.'

A spokeswoman for the BBC apologised for Pardew's comments on Monday but would not reveal whether he will be used as a pundit in the future.
She said: 'Alan Pardew apologises unconditionally for any offence caused by remarks he made on the Match of the Day 2 programme last night.
'We have received a total of 35 complaints.'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1162487/Pardew-causes-storm-rape-comment-Match-Day-2.html

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Maybe I'm just not sensitive enough, but I really can't see what the fuss is about. I look at the comments by some of the people and think them to be ridiculous.

What do you lot think? Was it really such a bad comment?

Either way, someone please remind me to never say again the phrase "I could murder a cup of tea" wouldn't want anyone to think I was taking the word too lightly...................

Paul.S
17-03-09, 02:19 PM
I don't know whats happening recently, but the PC brigade seem to be going very OTT.

I watched a repeat of Top Gear the other week, the one where they were smoking pipes, and it had been pixelated out... I mean come on!!!?

Guest
17-03-09, 02:20 PM
I find it funny sorry. :haha::haha:

DannyMan2006
17-03-09, 02:22 PM
I don't know whats happening recently, but the PC brigade seem to be going very OTT.

I watched a repeat of Top Gear the other week, the one where they were smoking pipes, and it had been pixelated out... I mean come on!!!?

:haha:

That's even worse! Better hope the young kids of today don't see a Sherlock Holmes film! Wouldn't want them to take up smoking!

Tee
17-03-09, 02:28 PM
I thought it was hilarious. No more part-time work at the Beeb for Pardew now. :haha:

dww
17-03-09, 02:28 PM
I don't know whats happening recently, but the PC brigade seem to be going very OTT.

I watched a repeat of Top Gear the other week, the one where they were smoking pipes, and it had been pixelated out... I mean come on!!!?

I think there is a big difference - the Top Gear thing is bloody ludicrous. I really dislike the use of the term 'raped' in these sort of instances and it did/does deserve being apologised for.

Matt
17-03-09, 02:35 PM
I laughed when I heard it although I don't know where the bit about Chiles and Hansen looking stunned came from because the camera wasn't on them at the time.

Neil Young
17-03-09, 03:10 PM
I think there is a big difference - the Top Gear thing is bloody ludicrous. I really dislike the use of the term 'raped' in these sort of instances and it did/does deserve being apologised for.
I couldn't agree more.

:handshake:

Shaggy
17-03-09, 03:16 PM
I couldn't agree more.

:handshake:

:handshake:

Same here. I think all those who think its funny and/or not important would change their tune pretty fucking sharpish if their sister, wife or mother were raped.

Guest
17-03-09, 03:17 PM
:handshake:

Same here. I think all those who think its funny and/or not important would change their tune pretty fucking sharpish if their sister, wife or mother were raped.

Well mate he didn't mean it that way at all. :confused: He said this in pure footballing terms, maybe it was a bit of a slip of the tongue but I'm pretty sure that's just what it is.

Shaggy
17-03-09, 03:20 PM
"raped" - in "footballing terms" ????????????

Not having that mate.

Although.....people use 'murdered' in a footballing context all the time, me included....

Guest
17-03-09, 03:23 PM
"raped" - in "footballing terms" ????????????

Not having that mate.

Although.....people use 'murdered' in a footballing context all the time, me included....

So it's basically the same then! It's just a term that he used and yes it was probably misplaced because it was on TV etc ... But hey, people shouldn't get their knickers in a twist as quickly as that.

He didn't mean it, that's the more important thing.

Reece
17-03-09, 03:24 PM
Mean it or not it's right that he apologises for it.

Tee
17-03-09, 03:26 PM
Well to all those taking the high moral ground on this one, well fuckin done, but I smell bs.

The term 'raped' in the context it was used is pure and utter street slang. Surely you can see there is absolutely no connection between saying a player got 'raped' and the physical 'rape' of a woman.

I found it funny purely for the fact that Pardew was talking 'street', like a middle aged Dad trying to be cool.

This world has gone PC mad - yes it was a term that should not have been used on national tv but it was funny, at least I can admit that.

Guest
17-03-09, 03:29 PM
Mean it or not it's right that he apologises for it.

Why? To be politically correct? Loads of bollocks IMO. If he was someone who was renowned for saying such things I could have understood.

BFG
17-03-09, 03:29 PM
Mean it or not it's right that he apologises for it.

:handshake:

Fredo is right that he shouldn't be ripped limb from limb for it either though. An honest, outright apology from Pardew should be the end of it. By saying nothing he's just making it worse.

Reece
17-03-09, 03:34 PM
Why? To be politically correct? Loads of bollocks IMO. If he was someone who was renowned for saying such things I could have understood.

Because I don't think it's an appropriate term for that sort of programme. That's not being overly politically corrent, or taking the moral high ground, I just don't think it's appropriate, simple as that. I wouldn't use that term or phrase in front of my family, and that might be the sort of programme I may well watch with my family so I wouldn't want to hear it used.
I don't think he should get castrated for it, but a simple apology is all that is required, and won't hurt him.

rudedog
17-03-09, 03:36 PM
Well mate he didn't mean it that way at all. :confused: He said this in pure footballing terms, maybe it was a bit of a slip of the tongue but I'm pretty sure that's just what it is.

Where do you draw the line then? Is it ok for football presenters to say a player played 'like a spastic' as long as he meant it in pure footballing terms?

Guest
17-03-09, 03:37 PM
Because I don't think it's an appropriate term for that sort of programme. That's not being overly politically corrent, or taking the moral high ground, I just don't think it's appropriate, simple as that.
I don't think he should get castrated for it, but a simple apology is all that is required, and won't hurt him.

I can understand that there are kids watching this kind of program, but then again I've seen kids saying worst things than that when with each other. Those same parents being outraged by that are for the most just hypocrites.

Reece
17-03-09, 03:39 PM
I can understand that there are kids watching this kind of program, but then again I've seen kids saying worst things than that when with each other. Those same parents being outraged by that are for the most just hypocrites.

It doesn't mean we should have to lower our standards to the lowest common denominator does it?

Neil Young
17-03-09, 03:39 PM
I can understand that there are kids watching this kind of program, but then again I've seen kids saying worst things than that when with each other. Those same parents being outraged by that are for the most just hypocrites.
Fredo, you are showing your complete ignorance of sense.

Guest
17-03-09, 03:41 PM
Where do you draw the line then? Is it ok for football presenters to say a player played 'like a spastic' as long as he meant it in pure footballing terms?

I'm not saying it's good and that everyone should get away with that. Everybody watches big brother or some other crap reality TV show, even kids are lulled into it. This is worse than Pardew having a slip of the tongue during match of the day. Yes he should probably apologize now but I would be curious to see who are the kind of parents or getting outraged at this. It's too easy to be pedantic in these kind of situations.

Neil Young
17-03-09, 03:42 PM
Well to all those taking the high moral ground on this one, well fuckin done, but I smell bs.

The term 'raped' in the context it was used is pure and utter street slang. Surely you can see there is absolutely no connection between saying a player got 'raped' and the physical 'rape' of a woman.

I found it funny purely for the fact that Pardew was talking 'street', like a middle aged Dad trying to be cool.

This world has gone PC mad - yes it was a term that should not have been used on national tv but it was funny, at least I can admit that.
Hang on a minute, you think it's funny and people like me smell of bullshit but also that it should not have been used on national TV.

Make up your fucking mind.

Guest
17-03-09, 03:45 PM
It doesn't mean we should have to lower our standards to the lowest common denominator does it?

No but him giving his apologies isn't going to erase what he said??? It's going to be replayed on and on from now. We'll see if some TV stations have got the same high common denominator that you're implying. It's not going to change anything.

FFS, kids are brought to football grounds nowadays, where it's hardly a place full of angels. It's probably doing them a disservice putting them in cotton wool because this is not the real world.

Neil Young
17-03-09, 03:46 PM
I'm not saying it's good and that everyone should get away with that. Everybody watches big brother or some other crap reality TV show, even kids are lulled into it. This is worse than Pardew having a slip of the tongue during match of the day. Yes he should probably apologize now but I would be curious to see who are the kind of parents or getting outraged at this. It's too easy to be pedantic in these kind of situations.
I'm sure there are some who are overreacting and there are probably others who will use it as a stick to beat the BBC with (the Mail for one). However anyone with half an ounce of intelligence would realise that what might be permissible for a conversation with your mates (not that I personally would ever use the term like that) is not acceptable on BBC1.

Tee
17-03-09, 03:51 PM
Hang on a minute, you think it's funny and people like me smell of bullshit but also that it should not have been used on national TV.

Make up your fucking mind.

Yes, what don't you get? :confused:

It was a slip of the tongue, obviously. Should not have said it but it was funny. Get off high horse, acknowledge the human fuckin error and move on. :handshake:

Guest
17-03-09, 03:52 PM
I'm sure there are some who are overreacting and there are probably others who will use it as a stick to beat the BBC with (the Mail for one). However anyone with half an ounce of intelligence would realise that what might be permissible for a conversation with your mates (not that I personally would ever use the term like that) is not acceptable on BBC1.

Never said it was 'permissible' only that it was funny. Cameras are stuck under manager's noses in this day and age and we can't really expect them to be prepared to be 100% clean each time they are interviewed. The BBC were interviewing a football manager, who could have come from any background not just pruned to some kind of middle class upbringing and they should expect cock ups like that to happen.

It's the way they make a mountain off a molehill on things like that which pisses people off (me in particular). If you expect everyone to be politically correct, then go on and interview Gordon Brown or Tony Blair.

Guest
17-03-09, 03:53 PM
Yes, what don't you get? :confused:

It was a slip of the tongue, obviously. Should not have said it but it was funny. Get off high horse, acknowledge the human fuckin error and move on. :handshake:

He rides a dog not a horse. :handshake:

Neil Young
17-03-09, 03:53 PM
Yes, what don't you get? :confused:

It was a slip of the tongue, obviously. Should not have said it but it was funny. Get off high horse, acknowledge the human fuckin error and move on. :handshake:
I agree with the human error bit but where's the bullshit you mentioned? :eyebrow:

Neil Young
17-03-09, 03:54 PM
He rides a dog not a horse. :handshake:
Fredo, you are showing your complete lack of timing, etc.

Neil Young
17-03-09, 03:56 PM
By the way, it does rather look like the BBC made a mistake using him if he has previously been seen as a PR disaster.

I suppose he's been OK in other roles, whether on the BBC or elsewhere (that Sky Sunday programme perhaps?).
I think I heard him summarise on 5Live and he was crap then - added no insight whatsoever but at least he didn't make a gaffe like this.

Tee
17-03-09, 03:57 PM
I agree with the human error bit but where's the bullshit you mentioned? :eyebrow:

Sorry but that bit was not directed at you. Just the general jump on the bandwagon types.... :handshake:

Guest
17-03-09, 03:58 PM
By the way, it does rather look like the BBC made a mistake using him if he has previously been seen as a PR disaster.

I think I heard him summarise on 5Live and he was crap then - added no insight whatsoever.

Pot kettle etc ...

You have been at your pedantic best as ever.

Neil Young
17-03-09, 03:58 PM
Sorry but that bit was not directed at you. Just the general jump on the bandwagon types.... :handshake:
Ah, OK, I see now. :handshake:

Neil Young
17-03-09, 03:59 PM
Pot kettle etc ...

You have been at your pedantic best as ever.
Bloody hell, what an idiot. :rolleyes::shake:

Guest
17-03-09, 04:00 PM
Bloody hell, what an idiot. :rolleyes::shake:

This is getting tedious FTW.

captainfog
17-03-09, 04:05 PM
LOL at Pardew, what a fucking clown. Any idiot should know that they would get in trouble for saying that. He's a rubbish pundit anyway that really does not add anything remotely useful or inciteful. You just can't use that kind of language on MOTD and rightly so.

On a mildly related note, did anyone see Abbot drop the F bomb on This Week on Thursday :haha: Andrew Neil looked really embarrased :D To which Abbot said 'what, you mean I'm not allowed to quote poetry?' :haha: To be fair, she was.

Tee
17-03-09, 04:07 PM
Off topic, but WTF is FTW?? :D

Neil Young
17-03-09, 04:07 PM
This is getting tedious FTW.
Then stop talking b*ll*cks. :handshake:

dww
17-03-09, 04:08 PM
Off topic, but WTF is FTW?? :D

'For The Win' is the usual meaning - what Fredo means is anyones guess.

Guest
17-03-09, 04:08 PM
Then stop talking b*ll*cks. :handshake:

Yeah oh lord of the just saying.

Neil Young
17-03-09, 04:09 PM
LOL at Pardew, what a fucking clown. Any idiot should know that they would get in trouble for saying that. He's a rubbish pundit anyway that really does not add anything remotely useful or inciteful. You just can't use that kind of language on MOTD and rightly so.

On a mildly related note, did anyone see Abbot drop the F bomb on This Week on Thursday :haha: Andrew Neil looked really embarrased :D To which Abbot said 'what, you mean I'm not allowed to quote poetry?' :haha: To be fair, she was.
Actually I didn't see her say it but I saw his reaction and her response. I was channel-surfing. Since I can't stand that programme I carried on riding the wave. :rock::cool:

:D

Neil Young
17-03-09, 04:10 PM
Yeah oh lord of the just saying.
That's better. :handshake:

Tee
17-03-09, 04:10 PM
'For The Win' is the usual meaning - what Fredo means is anyones guess.

:handshake:

Guest
17-03-09, 04:10 PM
'For The Win' is the usual meaning - what Fredo means is anyones guess.

:haha:

I think the real meaning of it is a reverse WTF. :haha: As for what I meant, I had a slip of the tongue. :haha:

Neil Young
17-03-09, 04:16 PM
As for what I meant, I had a slip of the tongue. :haha:
I think you should apologise, then we can all move on. And the mods can ban you from Est.

captainfog
17-03-09, 04:16 PM
Actually I didn't see her say it but I saw his reaction and her response. I was channel-surfing. Since I can't stand that programme I carried on riding the wave. :rock::cool:

:D

:haha:

It's one of my favourite programmes, very rarely miss a show :haha:

Portillo has mellowed in his old age and Abbot is always good value. They make a good double act. Andrew Neil makes me chuckle too.

I agree though that at their worst Portillo and Neil can be odious creatures. :handshake:

Neil Young
17-03-09, 04:17 PM
'For The Win' is the usual meaning - what Fredo means is anyones guess.
FTW = Fredo The W*nker

Neil Young
17-03-09, 04:19 PM
:haha:

It's one of my favourite programmes, very rarely miss a show :haha:

Portillo has mellowed in his old age and Abbot is always good value. They make a good double act. Andrew Neil makes me chuckle too.

I agree though that at their worst Portillo and Neil can be odious creatures. :handshake:
:cry:

Guest
17-03-09, 04:20 PM
FTW = Fredo The W*nker

This is a winner. :handshake:

And what's so wrong about wanking anyway? :confused::sigh:

Scratch
17-03-09, 04:20 PM
Rape has many different meanings tho, it is not just used with regards to sexual misdemeanour

verb (used with object)
6. to force to have sexual intercourse.
7. to plunder (a place); despoil.
8. to seize, take, or carry off by force.

So Pardew was legitimately using the word, not a problem.

Guest
17-03-09, 04:22 PM
Rape has many different meanings tho, it is not just used with regards to sexual misdemeanour

verb (used with object)
6. to force to have sexual intercourse.
7. to plunder (a place); despoil.
8. to seize, take, or carry off by force.

So Pardew was legitimately using the word, not a problem.

:handshake:

I thought about doing that but I couldn't be more pedantic than NY. That's impossible.

dww
17-03-09, 04:23 PM
:haha:

It's one of my favourite programmes, very rarely miss a show :haha:

Portillo has mellowed in his old age and Abbot is always good value. They make a good double act. Andrew Neil makes me chuckle too.

I agree though that at their worst Portillo and Neil can be odious creatures. :handshake:

Sometimes I can just about take it but generally I find it comes close to being the very definition of smug.

captainfog
17-03-09, 04:25 PM
:cry:

:haha: Why do you hate it so much?

Sometimes I can just about take it but generally I find it comes close to being the very definition of smug.

Mmmm I think its more self depreciating than smug. :handshake: That's why I enjoy it so much, none of them take themselves very seriously on it. At least, that's my take on it.

Hollowman
17-03-09, 04:26 PM
It wasn't quite as heroic as Carlton Palmer's 'Holocaust' punditry, mind.

And I'm with Foggy on This Week.

Neil Young
17-03-09, 04:27 PM
:haha: Why do you hate it so much?



Mmmm I think its more self depreciating than smug. :handshake: That's why I enjoy it so much, none of them take themselves very seriously on it. At least, that's my take on it.
I find Andrew Neil obnoxious to say the least. He's one of those people who overestimates his importance.

Neil Young
17-03-09, 04:29 PM
And I'm with Foggy on This Week.
Really? I'll make sure I watch that.

captainfog
17-03-09, 04:29 PM
I find Andrew Neil obnoxious to say the least. He's one of those people who overestimates his importance.

:haha: Fair enough :handshake: I don't see that really though :handshake:

Hollowman
17-03-09, 04:29 PM
Foggy's the black one.

captainfog
17-03-09, 04:30 PM
Really? I'll make sure I watch that.

We're on next Thursday. :handshake:

captainfog
17-03-09, 04:30 PM
Foggy's the black one.

and Hollowman is the woman :handshake:

:crackoff:

Neil Young
17-03-09, 04:30 PM
Foggy's the black one.

We're on next Thursday. :handshake:

:rock:

Hollowman
17-03-09, 04:31 PM
and Hollowman is the woman :handshake:

:crackoff:

Don't call me Shirley.

DannyMan2006
17-03-09, 05:02 PM
Rape has many different meanings tho, it is not just used with regards to sexual misdemeanour

verb (used with object)
6. to force to have sexual intercourse.
7. to plunder (a place); despoil.
8. to seize, take, or carry off by force.

So Pardew was legitimately using the word, not a problem.

Exactly

But what I am really reffering too when I put in this thread were the comments such as these:

Alka Searle, acting chairwoman for SEVANA rape charity in North Staffordshire, said she is 'absolutely appalled' by his comments.

She said: 'This man needs to understand that rape is a horrific crime and not a word to be taken lightly.'He is sending out the message that rape is a very trifling crime which doesn't mean anything and this is definitely not the case.'I am absolutely appalled the word has been used so lightly and I think it is very inappropriate.'

Michele Campbell, who works for Rape Crisis in Nottingham, added:

'To compare rape to a tackle on a sports field marginalises the ordeal women suffer.'It's really tactless for anyone to use rape in that particular context but especially for someone who is well-known and speaking to a massive audience.'This man should know better because he has a responsibility to his viewers, in which he has totally failed.'

Now I am sure Alan Pardew did not mean for anyone to take the word the way they did. I am 100% certain he is not intending rape to appear as a trifling crime. So why the over the top comments.

I think despite the double meaning of the word we can all agree it was a silly thing to say. But that is all.To come out with the above comments is sheer foolishness. Fair enough he should say sorry, but only in a manner of "I'm sorry what I said offended anyone. It was taken out of context and I did not mean to offend anyone" etc.

Scratch
17-03-09, 05:11 PM
I think despite the double meaning of the word we can all agree it was a silly thing to say. But that is all.To come out with the above comments is sheer foolishness. Fair enough he should say sorry, but only in a manner of "I'm sorry what I said offended anyone. It was taken out of context and I did not mean to offend anyone" etc.


Possibly a silly thing to say yes, but in the context of the sentence that he used it, absolutely nothing wrong with it. I was watching the program, and it didn't even register on me.

However, now that the tabloids have got a hold of it, it will run and run and Pardew will be tainted for life.

DannyMan2006
17-03-09, 05:25 PM
Possibly a silly thing to say yes, but in the context of the sentence that he used it, absolutely nothing wrong with it. I was watching the program, and it didn't even register on me.

However, now that the tabloids have got a hold of it, it will run and run and Pardew will be tainted for life.

Which is why I found the article so ridiculous. Too PC as Paul.S pointed out. He meant no harm. I fail to see the need for mindless comments to be criticised so heavily. It wasn't a planned script or an intention to be funny. It was an off the cuff remark in which everyone understood it as the way it was intended. Yet people still complain.

Craig_H
17-03-09, 06:36 PM
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/article5920061.ece

:o

Leyton388
17-03-09, 06:38 PM
What a idiot!

Craig_H
17-03-09, 06:43 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJiehceTvRs&eurl=http://www.simplyfm.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=18385&st=325

:haha: :o

MrsB
17-03-09, 06:46 PM
Times Online (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/article5920061.ece), 16 March 2009

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00155/alan-185_155930a.jpg

The BBC has apologised after one of its football pundits compared a tackle by a Chelsea player to rape.

Alan Pardew, the former Charlton Athletic, West Ham United and Reading manager, was describing a challenge by Michael Essien, the Chelsea midfield player, during Match Of The Day 2 on Sunday night.

After the Ghana international clattered into Ched Evans, the Manchester City forward, Pardew said: "He's a strong boy. He knocks him off - he absolutely rapes him."

No apology was made during or after the programme, but the BBC issued a statement today which said: "Alan Pardew apologises unconditionally for any offence caused by remarks he made in the Match of the Day 2 programme last night."

A total of 35 complaints have been received about the incident, the spokeswoman added. Pardew is not one of the show's regular analysts, but is used from time to time. The BBC said no decision had been made about whether he would be invited back on the programme after last night's incident. Pardew lost his job as the Charlton manager last November.

Craig_H
17-03-09, 06:52 PM
Oh my god, this is in the Library? Christ.

rudedog
17-03-09, 06:56 PM
Poor Pardew - he was playing for Palace when we thumped them 9-0, keeps getting sacked as a football manager and now this. It seems he can't do anything right.

MrsB
17-03-09, 06:57 PM
Oh my god, this is in the Library? Christ.

Yeah, I only just discovered it there myself. I'm moving it to General Football.

Red_Polo
17-03-09, 07:29 PM
"raped" - in "footballing terms" ????????????

Not having that mate.

Although.....people use 'murdered' in a footballing context all the time, me included....

Exactly what I thought when I first read this. Rape is obviously a horrendous crime, but it's not like murder is especially pleasant either and we don't seem to have a problem using that in more trivial everyday parlance. Ditto torture. Not sure what to think about this really, but I don't think people ought to be outraged.



The BBC has apologised after one of its football pundits compared a tackle by a Chelsea player to rape.

Ah yes, because he's obviously making a serious comparison of rape and a football tackle. It couldn't be hyperbole, no chance! People could argue it's tasteless and it's pretty obviously an inadvisable turn of phrase, but that wouldn't be quite so newsworthy I suppose.

Joe King
17-03-09, 08:11 PM
If only Pardew had been talking about Ronaldo doing some skills :source: :crackoff:

But I agree, he shouldn't have said it. He shouldn't be on tv. Like Neil Warnock.

Pablo1981
17-03-09, 09:17 PM
If he'd said "he bummed the fuck out of the fullback all day long" I would probably have burst out laughing, people use that kind of terminology all the time, we've all done it from time to time, lets be honest, doesnt mean we arent abhorred by rape though

Neil Young
18-03-09, 09:52 AM
Exactly what I thought when I first read this. Rape is obviously a horrendous crime, but it's not like murder is especially pleasant either and we don't seem to have a problem using that in more trivial everyday parlance. Ditto torture. Not sure what to think about this really, but I don't think people ought to be outraged.



Ah yes, because he's obviously making a serious comparison of rape and a football tackle. It couldn't be hyperbole, no chance! People could argue it's tasteless and it's pretty obviously an inadvisable turn of phrase, but that wouldn't be quite so newsworthy I suppose.
Perhaps the solution would be to avoid trivialising murder too...?

I think actually there is a difference: football is predominantly the interest of men; perpetrators of murder and rape are predominantly men; victims of murder are predominantly men and victims of rape are predominantly women.

I'm not saying rape is worse than murder - in fact I'd say the reverse is true - but given the social context then I suggest men might appreciate that casual use of such a term will be heard differently by women.