View Full Version : Steve McClaren For England Manager.....
spud_gun
11-10-06, 08:01 PM
Oh wait he already is.....
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livvy145
11-10-06, 08:03 PM
Ah, but is he?
That formation tonight had Venables written all over it.
Los Rojos
11-10-06, 08:04 PM
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Great goal from Neville as well :D
Seemed to be missing Gerrard me thinks.
It seems so obvious when you look at it, but whoever the England manager is never seems to be able to play his best team.
spud_gun
11-10-06, 08:06 PM
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Great goal from Neville as well :D
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The Neville Robinson tag-team
TheStig
11-10-06, 08:24 PM
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Great goal from Neville as well :D
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kurtangle01
11-10-06, 09:26 PM
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Great goal from Neville as well :D
At least he can now say he has scored whilst playing for England!:crackoff:
Howard_lfc
11-10-06, 09:29 PM
Seemed to be missing Gerrard me thinks.
It seems so obvious when you look at it, but whoever the England manager is never seems to be able to play his best team.
SG would have made no difference whatsover.
England are shite - full stop. The FA deserve everything they get.
First they appoint that gormless swedish tw@t and when they finally drum up the courage to get rid of him (or force him to resign) they go and appoint his second in command - a man who has only ever won the carling cup (when it wasn't even fashionable).
Until there's a dramatic shake up at the FA - my only feeling for international football will be apathy.
kurtangle01
11-10-06, 09:39 PM
SG would have made no difference whatsover.
England are shite - full stop. The FA deserve everything they get.
First they appoint that gormless swedish tw@t and when they finally drum up the courage to get rid of him (or force him to resign) they go and appoint his second in command - a man who has only ever won the carling cup (when it wasn't even fashionable).
Until there's a dramatic shake up at the FA - my only feeling for international football will be apathy.
Excellent points Les. I told a lad on koptalk that this qualifiation was by no means a walk in the park for England and that Mclaren was Graham Taylor markII. He was having none of it though. I wonder if he feels so confident now?!:shake:
I posted this in the international forum, but hardly anyone ever goes there so...
Ratings:
Robinson - Totally shit. 1
Neville - Totally shit. 1
Terry - Totally shit. 1
Ferdinand - Totally shit. 1
Carragher - Totally shit. 1
Cole - Totally shit. 1
Carrick - Totally shit. 0
Parker - Totally shit. 1
Lampard - Totally shit. 0
Crouch - Shit. 2
Rooney - Totally shit. 1
Subs:
Defoe - Totally shit 1
Richardson - Why is he a professional footballer? Totally shit. 1
Wright-Phillips - Shit. 2
Manager - Predictably, totally shit. As shit as I thought he would be when given the job. Thanks Steve. 0
It was worth posting twice shaggy. :handshake:
Neil Young
11-10-06, 10:02 PM
I posted this in the international forum, but hardly anyone ever goes there so...
Ratings:
Robinson - Totally shit. 1
Neville - Totally shit. 1
Terry - Totally shit. 1
Ferdinand - Totally shit. 1
Carragher - Totally shit. 1
Cole - Totally shit. 1
Carrick - Totally shit. 0
Parker - Totally shit. 1
Lampard - Totally shit. 0
Crouch - Shit. 2
Rooney - Totally shit. 1
Subs:
Defoe - Totally shit 1
Richardson - Why is he a professional footballer? Totally shit. 1
Wright-Phillips - Shit. 2
Manager - Predictably, totally shit. As shit as I thought he would be when given the job. Thanks Steve. 0
There's an international forum?
livvy145
11-10-06, 10:03 PM
Shaggy, did you give Neville one for his goal.
Howard_lfc
11-10-06, 10:08 PM
You know what bleedin' annoys me? I'll tell yer.
When things are going well, and the team is winning - the manager picks a 4-4-2 formation to which everybody is accustomed.
When things go wrong - the manager changes the tactics to 3-5-2 - a formation which hardly any of the players are accustomed to - and then expects to get a result!! If anybody can explain the logic in that then please do coz it's beyond me. It really is.
4-4-2 all the way and then bang! 3-5-2 when desparation appears on the horizon. If that's good management then we might as well all pack up and stop giving our views on football because we all know feck all.
There's an international forum?
:haha:
Although to be fair to you Neil, I had no idea until a week or two ago when it suddenly appeared without any notice. Dunno how or why, but it just appeared - with posts going back quite a while. Heh!
desertscouser
11-10-06, 10:19 PM
THIS IS NOT A KNEE JERK REACTION....
Mclaren is a f*cking idiot. He will be a complete and utter failure as England manager. :handshake:
desertscouser
11-10-06, 10:27 PM
An ex England manager whose daughter I went out with for quite a while couldn't/can't stand Mclaren and always said that if he became England manager he would fail. He also said he had by far the biggest ego of any manager around (obviously before Maureen broke on to the scene). One senior player said that he loved himself so much that if he was chocolate he'd eat himself.
I've been drinking but the above is 100% true. :handshake:
Who was the manager in question then
I thought the tactics Maclaren used tonight were nothing short of dire. He claimed that he wanted to play "more offensive", yet had five defenders and 2 defensive midfielders on the pitch. That left 3 attacking players with noone able to carry the ball from the midfield.
I have to say, IF you had of gotten Scolari, i think you would soon be battling Argentina for NO. 1 spot in the world and playing brilliant, flowing, attacking football to boot.
Although i'm Irish, i think it's a shame that noone the FA appoints seems to be able to mould the English into a team that produces football that they're no doubt capable of producing.
Did anyone seriously think that McLaren had the footballing ability to make it as England Manager - one of the most high pressured, demanding coaching jobs in the world?
TheStig
12-10-06, 08:39 AM
I have to say, IF you had of gotten Scolari, i think you would soon be battling Argentina for NO. 1 spot in the world and playing brilliant, flowing, attacking football to boot.
Just like Portugal did in the World Cup?;)
McLaren is shite though:handshake: .
Merged, I think we only need one "Tosser" ;) thread.... :)
I thought the tactics Maclaren used tonight were nothing short of dire. He claimed that he wanted to play "more offensive", yet had five defenders and 2 defensive midfielders on the pitch. That left 3 attacking players with noone able to carry the ball from the midfield.
I have to say, IF you had of gotten Scolari, i think you would soon be battling Argentina for NO. 1 spot in the world and playing brilliant, flowing, attacking football to boot.
Although i'm Irish, i think it's a shame that noone the FA appoints seems to be able to mould the English into a team that produces football that they're no doubt capable of producing.
Didn`t Scolari turn them down because of the press?
So basically as long as the english reads tabloids they`ll lose out on good people.
Serves them right for having papers like the Sun
I think the press was a part of his decision, but the English FA were at fault, by issuing their ridiculous press statements, that a new manager would be unveiled at such and such date. Rather than going for the best man for the job! (Hiddink!)
Scolari would have been horribly ill suited to being England manager. Not only with his off the field attitude but also because his teams have always required neat control and passing. Also as has been pointed out Portugal have not played flowing beautiful football and he used a Figo/Ronaldo front two in one match which I hardly see as the sort of tactical genius which we seem to be demanding.
I have to say I was reasonably positive when McLaren was appointed and particularly after Venables came in to assist him. Unlike some others I thought Englands 3-5-2 bore all the hallmarks of McLarens Middleborough and none of Venables tactical preferences. I think McLaren is a decent manager, his problem as England manager is that he seems to have decided he needs to show he is a change from Eriksson and so has made decisions as far as I can see purely to try and show his strengths as a coach and this has back-fired. I think if he had kept a solid 4-4-2 until we had qualified then he may have been the first manager to introduce some tactical flexibility into the squad - he just went on an ego trip too early in his career.
Neil Young
12-10-06, 10:14 AM
I think he's crap. I thought it before he was appointed, I thought it when he was appointed and funnily enough I still think it now. He got lucky in Middlesbrough's UEFA cup run last year - wholesale changes and playing with four forwards when you're three goals down isn't the sign of a tactical genius, it's the act of a desperate man. When they came up against a decent team, they got hammered.
Sack him now.
You know what bleedin' annoys me? I'll tell yer.
When things are going well, and the team is winning - the manager picks a 4-4-2 formation to which everybody is accustomed.
When things go wrong - the manager changes the tactics to 3-5-2 - a formation which hardly any of the players are accustomed to - and then expects to get a result!! If anybody can explain the logic in that then please do coz it's beyond me. It really is.
No you're absolutely spot on. Experimenting with 352 is always a gamble, don't do it away from home FFS.
Couldn’t believe McClaren was actually gonna go through with it, gutted I didn’t put money on Croatia last night :o
It was evident from all that I seen that there was little if any retention in midfield, and it was just wave after wave of blue. This effectively left it 532, which is a farce. Should have been spotted earlier and changed i.e. before the second half. Like I said didn’t see the whole game so he may well have done.
We haven't retained the ball in midfield for any significant length of time for about a decade.
I think everyone can agree the switch in formation was a totally shit descision.
I think he's crap. I thought it before he was appointed, I thought it when he was appointed and funnily enough I still think it now. He got lucky in Middlesbrough's UEFA cup run last year - wholesale changes and playing with four forwards when you're three goals down isn't the sign of a tactical genius, it's the act of a desperate man. When they came up against a decent team, they got hammered.
Sack him now.
Never like to see managers sacked so early in their career. With the squad he has, and the group their in he'll coast that team to the finals.
You're right of course, had he not have had that run to the UEFA cup final, coupled with the xenophobic clamour for a ‘pure’ English manager then O’Neil or someone of that ilk would have been in charge now.
He's an average manager/coach IMO, and should never have been given the job!
Neil Young
12-10-06, 10:32 AM
To clarify, I wasn't being entirely serious about sacking him. I do think the Graham Taylor comparisons are worryingly/amusingly accurate. If he resigned tomorrow (as he should do since if he's honest with himself he must know he's out of his depth :D), I have no idea who would be a good person to replace him and who might be available.
Then again I didn't think of Rafa when Houllier left but I'm glad someone did.
To clarify, I wasn't being entirely serious about sacking him. I do think the Graham Taylor comparisons are worryingly/amusingly accurate. If he resigned tomorrow (as he should do since if he's honest with himself he must know he's out of his depth :D), I have no idea who would be a good person to replace him and who might be available.
Then again I didn't think of Rafa when Houllier left but I'm glad someone did.
Yes, it won’t happen. It would make the FA look even more incompetent, if that's humanly possible. If McClaren qualifies he should, like you say, do the honourable thing and step down, citing media pressure or some shit. He’d be found out big time in the finals.
I think at this stage we are best off staying with him. The only other candidate would be big Sam and I fear the media attention of late has scuppered that (although I always thought he was a better choice than McLaren anyway), there was not a queue for the job when it was last advertised and now the two most popular candidates Hiddink and Scolari have already ruled themselves out. I guess the other more surprising candidate would be Steve Coppell.
Still I hope McLaren sees the error of his ways and scuttles back to solid 4-4-2, possibly playing with wingers if he feel experimental in future.
Los Rojos
12-10-06, 10:44 AM
Never like to see managers sacked so early in their career. With the squad he has, and the group their in he'll coast that team to the finals.
Don't be so sure that England will get there. They could quite easily slip up again.
Neil Young
12-10-06, 10:46 AM
If England qualify he will be given the chance to lead the team there and to be honest that would probably be fair enough.
If they don't though, what happens then?
Los Rojos
12-10-06, 10:48 AM
There was a comment from Steve McClaren in a press conference before the Croatia match which tickled me. He said he'd know much more about his team after Wednesday night. It made me wonder what he was doing with Sven for all those years. Did he not take anything in? It doesn't look like it.
He'll be sacked before the end of 2008.
Other than the massive wages and short hours, I can't see why anybody would want to be manager of England. Hiding to nothing, especially if you are tactically inept like Steve "Inane Grin" McLaren.
There was a comment from Steve McClaren in a press conference before the Croatia match which tickled me. He said he'd know much more about his team after Wednesday night. It made me wonder what he was doing with Sven for all those years. Did he not take anything in? It doesn't look like it.
He'll be sacked before the end of 2008.
It's just arbitrary wordage. Don't take to seriously, the pre-match drivel managers come out with. They're obliged to do these interviews so it only natural they fill it with verbal-diarrhoea.
At least Jose is witty, to an extent!
When the second goal went in, the camera's flashed on Maclaren and he was taking notes. :o
CharlieMansonsSquint
12-10-06, 05:33 PM
Who was the manager in question then
The current boss of the England under 21's.
The current set-up is bizarre alright. Venables as the number 2 man?, that was never going to work out, and just what exactly has McLaren achieved in the game before England came calling?, good rep as a coach, but as a manager at Boro he was mediocre. At one point last season he lost the plot so badly that Southgate and Jimmy Floyd steadied the ship so to speak. And no he's been handed the car keys at Soho Square. Hilarious.
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