[bumped] Pennant

[Finnish_Red]

From the Mirror:

[QUOTE]PENN'S RIGHT AT

[FoxForceFive]

I'm not convinced woth Pennant, not a particularly popular view I know, but still.

For me, when you combine his baggage, which is undeniable, with the fact he doesnt always seem to stand out in games, it seems to me he's overhyped.

I keep hearing the fact he had the most number of crosses last season, but surely we should be think quality, not quantity?

I'll be right behind him if we get him of course, but he's not the player I expected this summer, however he is a RW, which at Anfield is a bleedin' miracle, so I hope if he signs he shoves my words down my throat for me!

[Rosco]

Please god no.....

This is pure deja vu, an overpriced average English player coming from a relegated team.

He's not worth anywhere near

[FoxForceFive]

[QUOTE=Rosco]Please god no.....

This is pure deja vu, an overpriced average English player coming from a relegated team.

He's not worth anywhere near

[armitage]

He's a decent player but if he's not good enough for the arse he's not good enough for us. Think we'll sign him though.

[Rosco]

Fancy seeing you here!

*stops hijacking thread*

Agree with that entirely, however, I am a little torn, as I'd prefer Pennant to having Stevie stuck out on the right instead of rampaging through the middle.


Do I know you ? :eyebrow:

One point I'd like to raise is, why is it we stand firm on prices for foreign players (Alves, Simao) yet don't seem to mind paying over the odds for English ones (Crouch, possibly Pennant) ?

As for having Stevie "stuck out on the right" we had the perfect balance in midfield with him out there. All our big results last season (bar one) came when we had the trio of Alonso, Sissoko and Gerrard in the midfield. I'd be reluctant to change it.

[janmolby99]

One point I'd like to raise is, why is it we stand firm on prices for foreign players (Alves, Simao) yet don't seem to mind paying over the odds for English ones (Crouch, possibly Pennant) ?


Because we don't? With both Alves and Simao we increased our offers substantially over the period of the negotiations.

[LFCman]

I'm not convinced with Pennant either. People have thrown stats at me about his crossing but yet everytime I see him play it is usually poor. I think we can do better personally.

[homer1]

Have only considered Pennant to be a squad player & we really don't have

[Sprouty]

I keep hearing the fact he had the most number of crosses last season, but surely we should be think quality, not quantity?

It wasn't just the most crosses. It was the most Successful crosses of any player in the Prem.. When you've got a player hitting a player all the time in the box with Heskey and co, think what he could be like with Crouch and co.

[TheElephantMan]

I think he's a terrific player - just what we need. Apart from his indisputable ability (the stats don't lie) he works really hard for the team. I'd rather we paid

[MrMichael]

Zlightly concerned that his price seems to have inflated from a good value

[LFCman]

It wasn't just the most crosses. It was the most Successful crosses of any player in the Prem.. When you've got a player hitting a player all the time in the box with Heskey and co, think what he could be like with Crouch and co.

Lies, damn lies and statistics. :crackoff:

[Jack D Rips]

Havnt seen much of him apart from the two league matches last season in which I thought he was excellent in a very poor side. I would have thought him a bargain at

[Sprouty]

Lies, damn lies and statistics. :crackoff:

:D :whatever:

[Pedenj]

The increase in Pennant rumours seems to suggest that the Alves deal is dead, which is a shame as i think he is a potentially world class player, and the sort of player that we need if we are going to challange Chelsea next season.

However, I wouldn't be too unhappy if we signed Pennant as he has a good cross on him, and as already said it would free up Stevie G, which can only be a good thing. And Rafa must rate him as he appears to be his second choice for that position, and at the end of the day. In Rafa We Trust.

[FowlerLeftFoot]

Pennant is the next best player we can afford after Alves.
Anyone have any other candidate in mind?

[dww]

I think Pennant is the most natural right winger in the country. He doesn't however seem to offer much threat on goal and has had attitude problems in the past. I think it is a gamble worth taking if the terms are right - I think a fee of

[anfieldanfield]

Fancy seeing you here!

*stops hijacking thread*

Agree with that entirely, however, I am a little torn, as I'd prefer Pennant to having Stevie stuck out on the right instead of rampaging through the middle.

Agree with that.

[momo]

me to:lfc:

[nigecardiff]

i don't mind pennant, if it enables us to sign Kuyt.

[Red_Polo]

Pennant is a quality player make no mistake. He is a competent passer and tackler, is pretty good at beating a man, and when it comes to getting the ball in the box there's not many better. That's not to say I wouldn't prefer the more cultured, technically able Alves though.

[scarface]

Whats going on with the value of players from the championship?
Crouch

[samo]

malbranque wants over 50k a week, which is why he's not found a club yet. i'd sooner have pennant than him anyway - he's no different to danny murphy imo. good at a small club, nothing but a fringe player at a top club.

[scarface]

Yet again theres no proof about his wage demands i think thats just paper bollocks! Do you realy think that he would demand so much to price himself out of a transfer and end up staying at fulham playing with the juniors! not a chance! I can see where your coming from with the comparison to murphy (very good playmaker great vision) but you cant say that he wouldnt be good at a big club cos you havent seen him at a big club! the difference between murphy and malbranque is than murphys a lazy bastard always has been always will be, you can call malbranque lazy!

[Jack D Rips]

Pennant is a quality player make no mistake. He is a competent passer and tackler, is pretty good at beating a man, and when it comes to getting the ball in the box there's not many better. That's not to say I wouldn't prefer the more cultured, technically able Alves though.

But isnt Alves a RB or wing back. He's not a RM and IMO would be an alternative to Finnan.

If we are looking for a RM then at least thats what Pennant is. Plus he has premiership experience

[scarface]

Alves plays a similar style to cafu (wing back) but has played right wing numerous times for seville! i think rafa wants him for right wing and as cover for finnan, cos we could always drop alves to right back and play gerro, garcia, kewell, gonzalez, zenden, or even anderson at right wing if finnan got injured!

[Peter Delvechio]

It would be nice to see Stevie run amok in the middle again.

Speaking of which, does anyone know the origin of the phrase "run amok"?

[scarface]

No idea mate!
Theres no doubt that gerro is best used in the middle but with momo and xabi in the middle gonzalez on the left and gerro on the right id like anyone to show me a better MF in the world right now! I would sacrifice gerro on the right for another year so we could use our cash for kuyt and get alves next year! alves says hes only interested in joining us so he aint going anywhere else, so we can always sign him next year!

[LFCman]

Lets face it, Stevie didn't have a bad year coming in from the right did he? ;)

[scarface]

it does make you wonder if rafa does sign alves or pennant then where will momo fit into the team? rafa would never play a five man midfield? Or would he?

[Sprouty]

Speaking of which, does anyone know the origin of the phrase "run amok"?

http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/307500.html

The Malay word for 'attack fiercely' is 'amok'. One explanation of the phrase is that Malays sometimes got drunk and run around shouting 'amok, amok'.

[El Jefecito]

It wasn't just the most crosses. It was the most Successful crosses of any player in the Prem.. When you've got a player hitting a player all the time in the box with Heskey and co, think what he could be like with Crouch and co.
That stat is misleading. To me a successful cross is one that ends up with a goal being scored.

Pennant had only FIVE assists, yes that rights FIVE assists in the league last year. 1.2M per assist. Give me a break. Spend whatever it takes to get Alves, he is in a different class to JP.

[Red_Polo]

But isnt Alves a RB or wing back. He's not a RM and IMO would be an alternative to Finnan.

If we are looking for a RM then at least thats what Pennant is. Plus he has premiership experience

He can play as an attack-minded fullback or a midfielder. The reason he plays RB for Sevilla is they have another very talented RM player in Jesus Navas.

I doubt Rafa would be looking at splashing out around

[Red_Polo]

That stat is misleading. To me a successful cross is one that ends up with a goal being scored.

Pennant had only FIVE assists, yes that rights FIVE assists in the league last year. 1.2M per assist. Give me a break. Spend whatever it takes to get Alves, he is in a different class to JP.

The same number of assists as SG then...

[Sprouty]

That stat is misleading. To me a successful cross is one that ends up with a goal being scored.

Pennant had only FIVE assists, yes that rights FIVE assists in the league last year.

Which just shows how crap heskey and Co were last year. With the amount of crosses he gets onto a teammates head/shoulder/knee, there would be a hell of a lot more assists if those balls are hitting Fowler/Crouch/Bellamy.

[SouthAfricaRed]

Pennant will be a Good buy.

We will buy him and Alves and a Striker. ;)

[Red_Polo]

Pennant will be a Good buy.

We will buy him and Alves and a Striker. ;)

:jizz:

[El Jefecito]

The same number of assists as SG then...
:haha:

[Gavzie]

i don't mind pennant, if it enables us to sign Kuyt.

Second that dude

I do think Pennant has by all accounts (all of his own valition of course) recevied too much grief about his perosnal life.

Under Rafa I am sure he will come good. Lets give him a chance as I am sure we all will. Ive got a good feeling about this lad with right guidance and team support he can be really special.

Heres hoping if we do get him:)

[brendan]

[QUOTE=sproutmask]Which just shows how crap heskey and Co were last year. With the amount of crosses he gets onto a teammates head/shoulder/knee, there would be a hell of a lot more assists if those balls are hitting Fowler/Crouch/Bellamy.[/QUOTE

Bellamy's career average is about 10 goals
Lurch's is less.

[FoxForceFive]

But Fowler can knock them in from crosses Bren, although I dont expect to see him in more than two-thirds of our games next season.

Regardless, I dont think Pennant is the answer, having said that, just any right winger in red standing next to Rafa may give me a seizure of some kind I'll be that excited it's actually happened.

[brendan]

But Fowler can knock them in from crosses Bren, although I dont expect to see him in more than two-thirds of our games next season.

Regardless, I dont think Pennant is the answer, having said that, just any right winger in red standing next to Rafa may give me a seizure of some kind I'll be that excited it's actually happened.

I don't think I've been less sure of the starting XI on the first day of the season in my entire life

[Rosco]

[QUOTE=sproutmask]Which just shows how crap heskey and Co were last year. With the amount of crosses he gets onto a teammates head/shoulder/knee, there would be a hell of a lot more assists if those balls are hitting Fowler/Crouch/Bellamy.[/QUOTE

Bellamy's career average is about 10 goals
Lurch's is less.

Bellamy - 8
Crouch - 7

[REDSCOUSER]

Pennant better than Alves, imo. Cheaper by 6

[Finnish_Red]

If todays reports that Birmingham want 8M

[Sprouty]

http://www.footy-fans.co.uk/Liverpool/news.php?newsid=503

Pennant to join boyhood heroes?
Rafael Benitez is believed to have made an improved bid for right winger Jermaine Pennant last night, with early newspaper reports suggesting that Blues boss Steve Bruce has reluctantly accepted the offer.

Should such reports turn out to be true, Pennant is likely to be unveiled at Anfield later this week. Benitez appears to have turned his attention to Pennant having missed out on his first target Daniel Alves. However, Benitez has been tracking Pennant for some time, even bidding twice last January so it's wrong to call him 'second best'.

The Reds are hoping the money saved from the Alves deal will free up funds for a renewed bid for Feynoord's Dirk Kuyt, who will cost in the region of

[FaganK]

Anyone who thinks pennant is an average player really needs to follow another sport.

the lad is proven quality in the premiership and is a great signing. the reason hes not at arsenal is becaue of his personal problems in the past. is is a true out and out right winger which is what we are crying out for.

hes young and hes english which is better.

we can now afford a top quality striker and thats got to be good.

if this is all true i'll be very happy.

[Parm]

He is a good player, but not worth 6mill. There is no way on earth his performances last year warrented a doubling of his value. If they did then he would have been in contention for the WC.

[Parm]

"You can say the price is the price, but you also have to consider the market, and we cannot pay a fee over the market price," said Benitez.

"Some clubs may pay more than the player is worth, but we can't do that at Liverpool. We can't pay over the market price.

"I am not the kind of manager who will pay

[FaganK]

why is 6M double his value?

surely the best english right midfielder is worth more than 3M?! id actually say 5/6M is a fair price for such a promising youngster who has had 2 superb seasons in a row in the premiership

[FowlerLeftFoot]

Brums still owe us a couple of millions from the heskey sale, or so i heard

[fatistuta]

I think Pennant gets a raw deal because of his offfield antics clouding peoples opinions of him.

Put simply, if Pennant was Spanish and played for Betis and we knew nothing of his private life, we would be excited about signing a young excellent player and patting Rafa on the back for getting him for a great price.

Pennant is a great prospect under the right manager.....and we have the right manager.

I hope he signs.
I think he will prove a lot of people wrong.

[H]

why is 6M double his value?

surely the best english right midfielder is worth more than 3M?! id actually say 5/6M is a fair price for such a promising youngster who has had 2 superb seasons in a row in the premiership

Whilst I agree 6m isnt over the top for JP, I'd say Lennon is a better "English Right Mid".

[FaganK]

Whilst I agree 6m isnt over the top for JP, I'd say Lennon is a better "English Right Mid".


yeah thats a fair point. from what ive seen of lennon, he looks awesome. but we've only seen a little of his so far.

I think under Benitez pennant will prove his worth. benitez can get the best out of any player

[Jack D Rips]

And Lennon isnt for sale

[BrandonKop]

Young, Top crosser last season, englishman.Why not?

[Shaggy]

He is a good player, but not worth 6mill. There is no way on earth his performances last year warrented a doubling of his value. If they did then he would have been in contention for the WC.

Have to say I agree mate. It really pisses me off when clubs like Birmingham take the piss with fees. They got him for

[Howard_lfc]

[QUOTE=REDSCOUSER]Pennant better than Alves, imo. Cheaper by 6

[Parm]

Second that dude

I do think Pennant has by all accounts (all of his own valition of course) recevied too much grief about his perosnal life.

Under Rafa I am sure he will come good. Lets give him a chance as I am sure we all will. Ive got a good feeling about this lad with right guidance and team support he can be really special.

Heres hoping if we do get him:)


Gav,

did I really say that at the cl final?
:eyebrow:

[FowlerLeftFoot]

so is it confirmed that we are signing him?

[Tom]

Elisha just posted that he expects us to sign him any day.

[Snigger]

I don't think I've been less sure of the starting XI on the first day of the season in my entire life

aye, because we have more depth to the squad than we've for years. Without Pennant Birmingham would have been relegated months before they were - had they a decent striker they would have stayed up with the service he provided. Off the pitch he's a nightmare, on it he's a nightmare for defenses.

[FaganK]

Elisha just posted that he expects us to sign him any day.


has he tom? where? i saw his post earlier that he expects us to bid for him v soon

[Shaggy]

Elisha just posted that he expects us to sign him any day.

Where's that mate? Just had a butchers and all I can see is a comment posted last night that he expects "another bid" any day soon.

[FaganK]

CLUB STATEMENT REGARDING JERMAINE PENNANT
Contrary to reports in today's media, Birmingham City Football Club has not agreed a fee with Liverpool FC for Jermaine Pennant.

The two clubs have talked on a couple of occasions but Birmingham City and Liverpool Football Club are a long way off in their respective valuations of the player.

Until Birmingham's valuation is met, the Club will not even consider a move for Pennant.

As Birmingham City have continually stated, they are not looking to sell any of their best players

http://www.blues.premiumtv.co.uk/page/News...~871947,00.html

[Red_Polo]

Bitterly disappointed for us to miss out on Alves, but I have a feeling we'll be back for him. Pennant is definitely worth

[MrMichael]

I'm a bit ambivalent about this one. Is Pennant the player worth

[Red_Polo]

Where's that mate? Just had a butchers and all I can see is a comment posted last night that he expects "another bid" any day soon.

"I think we will be making another bid for Pennant very, very soon" was his only comment on it as far as I can tell.

[anfieldanfield]

Elisha just posted that he expects us to sign him any day.

Wow, looks like this one is signed sealed and delivered then.

Bellamy and Pennant. Phew. It's a risk, there's no doubt about that, hope it pays off.

[Shaggy]

Reds plan fresh bid for winger

Jul 25 2006

By Chris Bascombe, Liverpool Echo



RAFA BENITEZ hopes Jermaine Pennant will be a Liverpool player by the end of the week.

The Liverpool squad head to their Swiss pre-season camp tomorrow, with the Reds preparing a fresh move to bring the 23-year-old winger to Merseyside.

Liverpool hope their

[Shanks65]

Another from Big Chris:


Benitez sights could be on a flight of fancy

Jul 25 2006

By Chris Bascombe, Liverpool

FOR the second successive summer, Rafa Benitez expects to head to Liverpool's pre-season base in Switzerland with at least two spare seats on the flight.

The Liverpool boss hoped to conclude his transfer business before the week's intensive training in Europe, which begins tomorrow.

And although Benitez remains confident some of the new faces he craves may arrive by the end of the week, there are undoubted signs of frustration with the regularity the phrase 'transfer saga' allies itself to many Liverpool deals.

Over a year since the Reds' first pursuit of a right midfielder, the elusive winger is still to be paraded in Liverpool colours.

If things go to plan, this will be resolved with the imminent arrival of Jermaine Pennant.

The Reds are in the process of increasing their initial

[IanTheRed]

[QUOTE=Shanks65]Another from Big Chris:


Benitez sights could be on a flight of fancy

Jul 25 2006

By Chris Bascombe, Liverpool

FOR the second successive summer, Rafa Benitez expects to head to Liverpool's pre-season base in Switzerland with at least two spare seats on the flight.

The Liverpool boss hoped to conclude his transfer business before the week's intensive training in Europe, which begins tomorrow.

And although Benitez remains confident some of the new faces he craves may arrive by the end of the week, there are undoubted signs of frustration with the regularity the phrase 'transfer saga' allies itself to many Liverpool deals.

Over a year since the Reds' first pursuit of a right midfielder, the elusive winger is still to be paraded in Liverpool colours.

If things go to plan, this will be resolved with the imminent arrival of Jermaine Pennant.

The Reds are in the process of increasing their initial

[Shaggy]

To be fair I thought we were doing alright in clearing out the deadwood. Kirkland has gone, Cheyrou's gone, Morientes gone, Raven gone, Cisse's gone and Diao's on trial at Charlton. Who else is there to get rid of?

Mellor? Linked with Preston.

Le Tallec?

Pongo?

Kromkamp? If Alves doesn't come we'll need him as back up for Finnan.

One or both of Dudek or Carson?

[scubykuntz]

He's a decent player but if he's not good enough for the arse he's not good enough for us. Think we'll sign him though.

By that logic we would never have signed the likes of Beardsley (MAn U reject) for one. Sometimes a player needs the rejection of a big club as a preverbial kick in the ass, but sometimes players take longer to develop than others.
The main point about Pennant compared to Alives is is that JP has prem experience. I mean how many brazilians have actually been a success in the Prem?
I think with Pennant you are taking much less of a risk, at best he could develop in to a really, really good winger for us, at worst we will get a good squad player that, if it doesn't work out for him we could probably sell on at a minimal loss.
By comparison Alives is a much bigger gamble, just look at the Cissie scenario to see what the future could hold. We could easily lose half or more of what we have to pay for Alives, not to mention the wages, etc we will be paying him.

[anfieldanfield]

To be fair I thought we were doing alright in clearing out the deadwood. Kirkland has gone, Cheyrou's gone, Morientes gone, Raven gone, Cisse's gone and Diao's on trial at Charlton. Who else is there to get rid of?

Mellor? Linked with Preston.

Le Tallec?

Pongo?

Kromkamp? If Alves doesn't come we'll need him as back up for Finnan.

One or both of Dudek or Carson?

I've got a feeling Rafa might just keep hold of Pongolle, Shaggy.

He's a more than decent option as a fourth choice striker, as he offers a little bit of spark and unpredictability, besides, I've been impressed by him in the first two pre-season games.

As for Mellor, Le Tallec, Traore, Diao, Dudek and co, the sooner we get them off the wage bill, the better.

[Hamstrung]

Bellamy's career average is about 10 goals
Lurch's is less.

If you insist on slagging off our players, please at least back it up with facts.

Bellamy's average is 14.6 per season over the last 5 seasons.

Crouch's average is 11.2 over the same period.

Feel free to correct me if you have stats before 2001/2002

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/players/stats?id=5388&cc=5739

[G_Man]

My twopenneth-

Pennant- good player, good crosser, easily worth 6 million. Maybe not better than Alves but certainly better value. Anyone who think Lennon is better hasn't seen enough of them to be honest. I like Lennon he's quick and a great dribler but his final ball is BUNK! Pennant has a great final ball/cross and MUCH better shot on him than Lennon. I'm much happier with Pennant than Lennon, I expect Paul Anderson to be much better than Lennon by the end of the season.
Let us not forget the events last season where a lot of people were crying in their beer because we'd overpaid 7 million for Peter Crouch. A lot of people will continue this opinion, but I believe we paid a fair price for Crouch and time will show that 6-7 mill will be a fair price for Pennant. If he signs :D

[G_Man]

On the striker front, if Rafa wants Kuyt, then he should go for Kuyt. The striker position is one I think we have strengthened successfully since the turn of the year. A rejuvenated Fowler and Bellamy in and Morientes out. I'm happy with that. If Rafa can get his number 1 target then great, but if he can't then I believe we have the cover in place and maybe Linfield will step up under the guidance of Fowler :)

[dww]

I think that it is likely that if we pay as much as

[Shanks65]

Posted by Johnny H over on KT.

Brum want Pongolle as part of the deal.
Rafa is happy with this but the player isn't.
Also Liverpool and Birmingham have differing valuations of Pongolle.

I think this will be sorted out fairly quickly.

(apologies if I'm not supposed to post stuff from that site. PLease delete if needs be).

[LFCman]

Will be gutted if we sign him. Not good enough IMO. People say he is proven in the Premiership, how? What has he ever done in it?

I don't buy this statistics nonsense about him being the top crosser in the league. Every game I saw him play his crossing was usually poor.

[G_Man]

Will be gutted if we sign him. Not good enough IMO. People say he is proven in the Premiership, how? What has he ever done in it?

I don't buy this statistics nonsense about him being the top crosser in the league. Every game I saw him play his crossing was usually poor.

You're going to be pleasantly surprised :D

Cheers for posting that Shanks :cool:

[dww]

I believe this site is adopting an any source is cool sort of attitude (as a contrast to KT).

I hope this deal goes ahead. Maybe we could try and get them to accept a loan of POngolle until January with an option to extend or buy. I can see why Pongolle wouldn't want to leave for the Championship but I think he badly needs first team football this season. A confidence building spell in the Championship might help him to improve as a player.

[LFCman]

You're going to be pleasantly surprised :D

Cheers for posting that Shanks :cool:

I hope I am. It wouldn't surprise me if Rafa gets the best out of him but I am not convinced by his performances in the past.

[brendan]

why is 6M double his value?

surely the best english right midfielder is worth more than 3M?! id actually say 5/6M is a fair price for such a promising youngster who has had 2 superb seasons in a row in the premiership

He isn't the best English right-midfielder.

You sound disconcertingly like you're wearing Rafa-blinkers - everything he does is great and not to be questioned.

RAWK and The Liverpool Way do that kind of thing quite well.

[Jayesh87]

Posted by Johnny H over on KT.

Brum want Pongolle as part of the deal.
Rafa is happy with this but the player isn't.
Also Liverpool and Birmingham have differing valuations of Pongolle.

I think this will be sorted out fairly quickly.

(apologies if I'm not supposed to post stuff from that site. PLease delete if needs be).

waits for Dunk to ban Shanks :D

[Hamstrung]

As opposed to taking the piss out of all our players and criticising everything and everyone just to get a rise?

[Shanks65]

waits for Dunk to ban Shanks :D

:D

[FaganK]

He isn't the best English right-midfielder.

You sound disconcertingly like you're wearing Rafa-blinkers - everything he does is great and not to be questioned.

RAWK and The Liverpool Way do that kind of thing quite well.

actually i thought sounded like i was making an opinion.

problem with that numnuts?

i think he is the best english right winger, who's better? lennon possibly but we havent seen enough of him.

[brendan]

i think he is the best english right winger, who's better? lennon possibly but we havent seen enough of him.

I've seen enough of Lennon to say that he's better. I'd also prefer SWP.
But in any case the category "Best English Right Winger" is as thin as "Funniest Female Comedian", and about as relevant.

[dww]

I think credible cases can be made for Beckham, Lennon and Gerrard all being better then Pennant at right midfield. However the only two who are comparable types of players are Lennon and Pennant - both of which are true wingers.

I would say that Lennon has better movement and possibly pace but his crossing and shooting still need to improve. Pennant is a very good crosser of the ball on the other hand. I have to say that I think Lennon is the better player but it is a tight call and only Pennant is available.

[Helios Creed]

http://www.footy-fans.co.uk/Liverpool/news.php?newsid=503

Pennant to join boyhood heroes?.

I'm pretty sure that when he signed for the Arse as a kid, it was reported that he was actually a Liverpool fan....

[G_Man]

In my opinion Lennon and SWP don't have the quality in terms of final ball which Pennant has.
SWP has a better shot and is possibly a better dribbler
Lennon has a rubbish shot but is also a very good dribbler.

Just an opinion, I think the only English right midfielder who has a better final ball than Pennant is Beckham

[dww]

I've seen enough of Lennon to say that he's better. I'd also prefer SWP.
But in any case the category "Best English Right Winger" is as thin as "Funniest Female Comedian", and about as relevant.
I forgot about SWP. He used to be good I hear.

[Rich]

I reckon we'll sign Pennant for

[Lucky]

I think it's coceivable that we'll sign both Pennant and Alvez since we also need cover at RB having only Finnan and a soon to depart Kromkamp ( if you believe the rumours ). I have an uninformed hunch that we're not as poor as Rafa has been claiming.
Alvez Pennant Finnan gives us 3 players for 2 positions, a good ratio I feel.

[Red_Polo]

Lennon will beat his man more often than Pennant, and has a more pace.
Pennant has a far better final ball and is actually a surprisingly decent tackler.

With an out and out winger on the left I don't see it as a problem that Pennant's speciality is not dribbling, he's hardly slow and rubbish at dribbling anyway. He'll provide us with a nice balance IMO, and people will be quite surprised at his quality.

[El Jefecito]

While I'd much prefer Alves. I'd be happy up JP. I think it's difficult to disagree that he would improve the squad. Given the dearth of quality right wingers I'm not sure that there is a realistic alternative and Birminghman know this.

Consider the upside, he may not be the best but this will be the first time we have had a bona-fide right winger since McMoneyman. That makes me feel better.

[brendan]

While I'd much prefer Alves. I'd be happy up JP. I think it's difficult to disagree that he would improve the squad. Given the dearth of quality right wingers I'm not sure that there is a realistic alternative and Birminghman know this.

Consider the upside, he may not be the best but this will be the first time we have had a bona-fide right winger since McMoneyman. That makes me feel better.

Nunez was a bona-fide right winger

[H]

Nunez was a bona-fide right winger

He wasn't even a bona-fide footballer was he?

[brendan]

He wasn't even a bona-fide footballer was he?

No, the useless cnut was more of a "lawyer" by trade, and there was that fabulous story that he had never, not ONCE, completed 90 minutes of professional football in his LIFE.

He was one of the most laughable, embarrassing transfers in our history, and YET ANOTHER example of Real Madrid heartily p1ssing all over our faces.

[FaganK]

agree about nunez, he was pants.

but i dont think rafa even wanted him. i think real madrid just threw him in to the owen deal as part of the package for free

[Red_Polo]

Yep. We all know he wanted Nando or Juanfran as part of the deal, they just fobbed us off with Nunez.

[brendan]

agree about nunez, he was pants.

but i dont think rafa even wanted him. i think real madrid just threw him in to the owen deal as part of the package for free

And why on fcuking God's Green Earth would they do that?

Can ANYONE see that as a likely scenario?
How did it play out?

"Yes,

[G_Man]

[QUOTE=brendan]And why on fcuking God's Green Earth would they do that?
QUOTE]

For a laugh :handshake:

[Red_Al_77]

I hope we get Pennant for

[Red_Polo]

[QUOTE=brendan]And why on fcuking God's Green Earth would they do that?

Can ANYONE see that as a likely scenario?
How did it play out?

"Yes,

[FaganK]

[QUOTE=brendan]And why on fcuking God's Green Earth would they do that?

Can ANYONE see that as a likely scenario?
How did it play out?

"Yes,

[Shaggy]

As for Nunez, what he lacked for in pace he made up for in effort. The Boro game at the end of the 2004-05 season for me was his best game in a red shirt. Far and away the best Liverpool player on the pitch. He wasn't / isn't a crap player, he's just not good enough for Liverpool.


Totally agreed re Nunez. I actually liked the lad, despite his obvious inadequacies, simply because he was so obviously a trier. He played his heart out for us, which was, in a way, refreshing to see after the likes of Heskey, Cheyrou et al.

[Shaggy]

on a more adult and sane note, you all may be interested to hear that elisha has posted that pennant is signing today or tomorrow

Aye, just read that. While I'm not exactly jumping for joy about this, I'm pleased we've got that much needed specialist right winger in. If Rafa thinks he'll do the business than I ain't gonna argue.

I just hope we've not been ripped off.

[Kaip]

[QUOTE=Cacodemon]I reckon we'll sign Pennant for

[kurtangle01]

[QUOTE=brendan]And why on fcuking God's Green Earth would they do that?

Can ANYONE see that as a likely scenario?
How did it play out?

"Yes,

[anfieldanfield]

[QUOTE=brendan]And why on fcuking God's Green Earth would they do that?

Can ANYONE see that as a likely scenario?
How did it play out?

"Yes,

[anfieldanfield]

Latest news filtering through is that....

PENNANT IS IN LIVERPOOL NOW AND IS ON THE BRINK OF SIGNING FOR 6.2M.

Yikes, I'm not sure about this one at all, smacks of transfer desperation as far as I'm concerned. I seriously hope Jermaine Pennant realises Rafa's given him a lifeline with this one, he doesn't really deserve this oportunity.

No second chances with us Pennant. None. At. All.

[kurtangle01]

Latest news filtering through is that....

PENNANT IS IN LIVERPOOL NOW AND IS ON THE BRINK OF SIGNING FOR 6.2M.

Yikes, I'm not sure about this one at all, smacks of transfer desperation as far as I'm concerned. I seriously hope Jermaine Pennant realises Rafa's given him a lifeline with this one, he doesn't really deserve this oportunity.

No second chances with us Pennant. None. At. All.

see fagan's thread.

done and dusted it would seem.

[Bob]

If anyone said we'd sign Pennant a year ago for 6.2m he'd had been vilified!

Truth is, he's a very useful player - though not exactly a SWP or a lennon.

Hopefully Rafa will succeed were wenger has failed. Cripey, nothing against Rafa but not many not many managers have succeeded were Arsene has failed.

Hope this has freed enough money for another top quality striker. At the end of the day i'm actually happy we have some genuine pace in our squad now (coupled with the other signings) something i'm sure Rafa has been hell bent on addressing this summer.

Oh, and Brendan who the fuck are you? You've a helluva lot of arrogance.

[SouthAfricaRed]

Pennant will be a Good buy.

We will buy him and Alves and a Striker. ;)

Mmm, 1 Down Two to Go :oh: :haha:

[brendan]

Brendan, there's every chance the conversation with Madrid went exactly like that.

It's called getting players off the wage bill.

I doubt whether we'd ask for a price for Diao or Potter.

Get the fcuking blinkers off, lids.

At the time Benitez came out with a load of shite about "wanting Nunez anyway" and implying that he would have signed Clunez regardless of the Owen deal.

I didn't *quite* believe that either.

He got jibbed. End of story. AGAIN. (cf Morientes)

[Rich]

The whole Owen deal was making the best of a bad situation - he was joining them regardless, it was upto Parry and Benitez to try and get what they could.

Nunez did show promise, did try hard, had some skill, but sadly isn't as fit as what a modern day footballer should be and couldn't adapt to the Premiership hussle. The fact that Rafa indentified that Nunez was never going to make an impact he was off back to Spain..... imagine the same situation but with Houllier in charge, Nunez would still be here... and we'd all be tearing our hair out.

[scubykuntz]

Pennant poised to join Reds

Jermaine Pennant is having a medical on Wednesday morning at Liverpool with a view to completing a

[IanTheRed]

Was it Jermaine Pennant who scored a hat-trick on virtually his only start for Arsenal? A 6-nil win and Pires scored the other 3?

[FaganK]

i think its also worth pointing out that poor old tony nunez ruptured his cruciates in his forst training session, so he didnt exactly get the time to bed in did he

[Tom]

If pennant can mature, and get his head right, he could be a very effective addition.
He has the ability does he have the mentality? That's the question that rafa will have weighed.

[The Duke]

Gerrard to Pennant, Pennant crosses - Kuyt heads in 3- 0 and the title finally goes back to Anfield.

[Peter Delvechio]

Am I the only one who has no idea who Elisha is?

[LFCman]

A user on YNWA.tv who is mates with Gerrard.

[Lee]

Top, top thread. :D :rock:

[Muddled]

I see he dumped his fiancé for Alice Goodwin.

If you're unsure, Google is your friend. But not if you're sat next to your lady friend.

*taps nose*.

[dom9]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-17891409

Stoke City's Jermaine Pennant on drink-drive charge

Footballer Jermaine Pennant has been charged with drinking and driving after a crash in Greater Manchester.

The Stoke City player from Altrincham, Cheshire, was driving a BMW when he collided with an Audi in Cross Street, Sale, at about 05:20 BST on Sunday.

The 29-year-old winger is also charged with driving with no insurance and driving while disqualified, Greater Manchester Police said.

He is due to appear before Trafford Magistrates' Court on Wednesday.

The driver of the Audi went to hospital for a minor back injury. He has since been discharged.

[Pablo1981]

Scum :shake:

Fucking hell didn't realise he's living in Altrincham, so do I :haha:. I will have to look out for him pinching Krispy Kremes in Tescos ;)

[Shaggy]

What a dick he is.

[dom9]

That man is tragic.

[magicalbarnes]

Dumb bastard. He's a multi-millionaire yet he has no insurance? Why would he need to drink drive anyway, he could afford a chauffer! At the very least - a taxi.

[Pablo1981]

In Feb 2004 he was given a 16 month driving ban for driving in the wrong lane in Paddington, London.

Then in Jan 2005 he crashed into a lamppost drunk while still banned and obviously had no insurance. This time when they questioned him he claimed he was Ashley Cole! :haha::shake:

He then got 90 days in prison for that but only served 30 days.

And now this :shake:

I really hope he get's locked up for a substantial period of time now, but he probably won't :rant:

[Pablo1981]

Can't believe he ever played for us too, embarrassing :shake:

[lickedlollipop]

Can't believe he ever played for us too, embarrassing :shake:

:handshake:

i actually can't believe he's still playing football. and for PL team. cunt.

[foresterbloke]

The man has more money than me and he's a cunt.

[Kenneth]

Dumb bastard. He's a multi-millionaire yet he has no insurance? Why would he need to drink drive anyway, he could afford a chauffer! At the very least - a taxi.

He will have no insurance by default as banned drivers aren't covered. Still, driving when banned is bad enough. And then drink driving. :shake:

[Norbert Dentressangle]

I saw him driving a black Ferrari in London last year, would he have been banned at that stage too?

[golfball]

he doesnt live in altringham, he lives in hale village,
my mate lives opposite him and gatecrashed (no pun intended) his birthday party saturday night.
he probably still pissed from that,
tosser !

[Norbert Dentressangle]

That's no way to talk about a mate :shake:

:crackoff:

[Craig_H]

he doesnt live in altringham, he lives in hale village,
my mate lives opposite him and gatecrashed (no pun intended) his birthday party saturday night.
he probably still pissed from that,
tosser !

Excellent username :rock:

[golfball]

cheers

[dom9]

That's no way to talk about a mate :shake:

:crackoff:

[Craig_H]

Repeating the same exact post 34 mins later FTW! :rock:

[Pablo1981]

Barely posts at all in six years, then makes exactly the same post twice. Like buses :rock:

[Craig_H]

That's no way to talk about a mate :shake:

:crackoff:

:haha::haha:

Barely posts at all in six years, then makes exactly the same post twice. Like buses :rock:
:haha:

[Norbert Dentressangle]

Repeating the same exact post 34 mins later FTW! :rock:

Crossed wires

D'oh

[Stanbull]

When he was at Arsenal he was caught drink driving whilst disqualified for drink driving and got a 90 prison sentance. Looks like he will be doing an even longer stretch this time not to mention assulting a woman.

Low life scum who will never change, deserves to have the key thrown away

[souliv]

Can this be moved to General Football as thankfully this scumbag does not play for us

[kingfunk]

he doesnt live in altringham, he lives in hale village,
my mate lives opposite him and gatecrashed (no pun intended) his birthday party saturday night.
he probably still pissed from that,
tosser !

He actually lives in Newcastle under Lyme, which is in Stoke. Spends most of his time there anyway with his glamour model girlfriend. How do I know this? I live opposite him, he goes to the same golf range as me. He drives like a twunt too. Usually shouting out the window at girls to get their tits out. Wonder why he wasn't driving this, usually is:1929

[Lee]

Given his previous, is it likely he'll do porridge for this?

[rcasemore]

I think so, he's been done a few times for this before.

Fully deserved as well

[Lee]

:handshake:

Excellent.

I was going to say that cunts like him shouldn't be allowed on the road. But erm, he isn't allowed on the road. :haha: :rash:

[Craig_H]

:haha:

[RoadEnd]

Didn't he also abandon a Porsche in a train station car park in Spain and forgot about it.:shake:

[dom9]

:handshake:

Excellent.

I was going to say that cunts like him shouldn't be allowed on the road. But erm, he isn't allowed on the road. :haha: :rash:

:haha:

[Helios Creed]

He actually lives in Newcastle under Lyme, which is in Stoke. Spends most of his time there anyway with his glamour model girlfriend. How do I know this? I live opposite him, he goes to the same golf range as me. He drives like a twunt too. Usually shouting out the window at girls to get their tits out. Wonder why he wasn't driving this, usually is:1929

so he drives all the time while banned? (and very visibly...)

[Boogar]

On the sky ticker now......
The cunt has been arrested for alledged assault on a woman in Manchester on Sunday.

[Bender]

another day another idiot footballer thinking there above the law and usually they are

[Lee]

He's such a horrible piece of vermin.

[lucas]

The Stoke City winger Jermaine Pennant has been arrested for allegedly assaulting a woman in a nightclub, sources said. The 29-year-old has been bailed pending further inquiries into the incident in Manchester on Sunday.

Two hours after the alleged attack, the player was involved in a car crash and charged with drink-driving, driving while disqualified and having no insurance.

A Greater Manchester police spokeswoman said: "At approximately 3.30am on Sunday 29 April a woman was assaulted at a nightclub on Barton Arcade, Manchester city centre. A 29-year-old man was arrested on suspicion of Section 47 assault."

At 5.20am on Sunday, police were called to Cross Street in Sale, Greater Manchester, to reports that Pennant's white BMW had been involved in a collision with a silver Audi.

The driver of the Audi was taken to hospital and treated for a minor back injury. Pennant is due to appear at Trafford Magistrates' Court on 9 May to answer the driving charges.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/may/02/stoke-jermaine-pennant-arrested-assault

[tufty]

hope they throw the book at the little twat

[Chazza1978]

The Stoke City winger Jermaine Pennant has been arrested for allegedly assaulting a woman in a nightclub, sources said. The 29-year-old has been bailed pending further inquiries into the incident in Manchester on Sunday.

Two hours after the alleged attack, the player was involved in a car crash and charged with drink-driving, driving while disqualified and having no insurance.

A Greater Manchester police spokeswoman said: "At approximately 3.30am on Sunday 29 April a woman was assaulted at a nightclub on Barton Arcade, Manchester city centre. A 29-year-old man was arrested on suspicion of Section 47 assault."

At 5.20am on Sunday, police were called to Cross Street in Sale, Greater Manchester, to reports that Pennant's white BMW had been involved in a collision with a silver Audi.

The driver of the Audi was taken to hospital and treated for a minor back injury. Pennant is due to appear at Trafford Magistrates' Court on 9 May to answer the driving charges.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/may/02/stoke-jermaine-pennant-arrested-assault

Just heard on the radio that this case has been dropped

[kingfunk]

Cleared of assault. Still faces driving charges.

[ChesterDave]

Suspended jail sentence for driving while disqualified, without insurance, and pissed.

If I had sent abuse over twitter and been told only an imediate jail sentence was apropriate I'd be a little annoyed.

[Chris]

Lucky boy, surprised at that given he's been inside before.