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spud_gun
09-11-06, 02:10 AM
Anyone else think that England are going to get a right hammering in the up comming Ashes series?
red_in_oz
09-11-06, 02:16 AM
Don't know about a right hammering but Australia must be favourites.
It's very hard for any nation to win over here.
If England draw the series I'll be really happy. Hopefully we can nick a 2-1 win or something.
COME ON ENGLAND!!!
darkknight
09-11-06, 04:28 AM
Apparently we are in for a very wet summer.
red_in_oz
09-11-06, 04:39 AM
Apparently we are in for a very wet summer.
Then we'd all be happy.
Australia would get it's much needed rain and England would keep the Ashes!
darkknight
09-11-06, 05:08 AM
Rain ? Ashes ? Rain ? Ashes ?
Decisions decisions ??
red_in_oz
09-11-06, 05:13 AM
You Queenslanders need the rain more than anyone.
But you'd hate it if it stayed dry and we still kept the Ashes!
I think England could be up for a hammering.
Key players for Aus have just started to hit form and England's havent except KP
Anfield Mole
09-11-06, 09:01 AM
I think England will do better than the Aussies expect. The nucleus of the team that won the Ashes a couple of years back is still there, the new players that have come in have not done badly either.
thesilverfoxlfc
09-11-06, 10:25 AM
Should be a great series the Aussies are in red hot form, but the England players have had a rest due to injury. Do you think Vaughan will make an appearance?
I loved watching Warne play last year what he can do with a ball is just sheer class!!
red_in_oz
09-11-06, 11:18 AM
I loved watching Warne play last year what he can do with a ball is just sheer class!!
That's nothing to what he can do with a text message! :oh:
If Giles plays, England are NO chance.
If Giles plays, England are NO chance.
Fletcher's obsession with keeping Panesar out of the side is driving me fucking mad. It's not about what he can't do, it's about what he can do. If we get skittled for 100, it won't be because Monty got a duck at number 11.
Monty must play.
Anfield Mole
09-11-06, 12:34 PM
If Giles plays, England are NO chance.
You don't rate the King of Spain? He did ok in the last Ashes.
You don't rate the King of Spain? He did ok in the last Ashes.
To call him a spin bowler is an insult to anyone who can turn the ball.
Anfield Mole
09-11-06, 01:15 PM
Whatever he bowls, he took out all the Australian top order in the last series.
His influence was minimal at best.
The simple fact of the matter is that England need to take 20 wickets per Test to win. A defensive bowler like Giles won't help England do that in Australian conditions. Panesar IMO would.
mersey86
09-11-06, 03:43 PM
You don't rate the King of Spain? He did ok in the last Ashes.
I have just got to watch the dvd of the 2005 Ashes and I was impressed with Ashley Giles' all-round game. We quite possibly would not have the Ashes now were it not for the 50 he scored on the last day. If he'd got out early and they'd got through Hoggard and Harmison in the next 10 overs Australia would have won.
a first choice team might be:
Trescothick, Strauss, Cook, Bell, Pietersen, Flintoff, Read, Hoggard, Anderson, Harmison, Panesar .. but that leaves an awfully long tail which will get mopped up. I'd be tempted to play both spinners, leaving out Anderson ... or play Collingwood as the fifth bowler.
Red Chilli
09-11-06, 03:47 PM
Monty will get his fair share of games, I'm not sure he'll play at the Gabba though.
The key for me is how many tests Vaughan plays and what the score is when he comes back.
Red Chilli
09-11-06, 03:49 PM
His influence was minimal at best.
Are you having a laugh? TRying to block out the memories are you? He was a key player in the 2 Tests we won and the other 1 we dominated.
Snigger
09-11-06, 06:08 PM
I think it will be closer than people expect, after all the Aussies still have Ponting to fuck up all the major decisions.
darkknight
10-11-06, 05:08 AM
Good point snigger.
Are you having a laugh? TRying to block out the memories are you? He was a key player in the 2 Tests we won and the other 1 we dominated.
Hilarious :haha:
That's nothing to what he can do with a text message! :oh:
you talking about me or Warne
:rolleyes:
:crackoff:
:shake:
I dont think Giles will be attacking enough in Australia, Monty has to play.
red_in_oz
10-11-06, 10:05 AM
you talking about me or Warne
:rolleyes:
:crackoff:
:shake:
I said "text message" not "sheep"! :crackoff:
Hope you're well, Dan. :handshake:
SouthAfricaRed
10-11-06, 10:08 AM
I see the favourite result is for Australia to win 4-0 @ 6/1
Next Best Australia to win 5-0 @ 13/2
I see the favourite result is for Australia to win 4-0 @ 6/1
Next Best Australia to win 5-0 @ 13/2
Ridiculous.
Mumsafan
14-11-06, 10:01 PM
But likely
Jayesh87
16-11-06, 07:17 PM
But likely
nah, england will retain the ashes :handshake:
I can't fucking wait for this to start.
Gonna be some late nights! :rock:
Jayesh87
16-11-06, 07:34 PM
I can't fucking wait for this to start.
Gonna be some late nights! :rock:
I will be in India for most of it, so it will be on very early i think :shake:
Can somebody tell me how a guy who's capped 50 times for his country can all of a sudden turn around and start playing for England ?
Are there no rules on nationality ?
Jayesh87
16-11-06, 07:50 PM
Can somebody tell me how a guy who's capped 50 times for his country can all of a sudden turn around and start playing for England ?
Are there no rules on nationality ?
who you talking about ?
who you talking about ?
The latest call up. Ed Joyce from Bray, Co. Wicklow. He's got 53 (I think) caps for Ireland and then decided he'd play for England instead because he was good enough.
The latest call up. Ed Joyce from Bray, Co. Wicklow. He's got 53 (I think) caps for Ireland and then decided he'd play for England instead because he was good enough.
As dww said the other day, Joyce has really turned his back on a glorious future there, hasn't he?! :crackoff:
As dww said the other day, Joyce has really turned his back on a glorious future there, hasn't he?! :crackoff:
Jesus do you really think I'm bothered about the Irish cricket team ? (A sport played by about 5 clubs in Ireland)
I didn't know we had a cricket team until we beat the W Indies a few years back.
What I'm asking is how can a guy just turn around and play for another country that he has no family links to and when he has already been capped for another country ?
Jesus do you really think I'm bothered about the Irish cricket team ? (A sport played by about 5 clubs in Ireland)
I didn't know we had a cricket team until we beat the W Indies a few years back.
What I'm asking is how can a guy just turn around and play for another country that he has no family links to and when he has already been capped for another country ?
No I don't think anyone on the entire planet is bothered about the Irish cricket team.
I'd assume it's because Ireland don't compete at Test level - are they not considered a minor County? He plays his cricket in England. Joyce can hardly be blamed for wanting to further his career and take part in the most eagerly awaited Test series for over 20 years.
What's he supposed to do? Say "thanks fellas but no thanks"?
Colemere
16-11-06, 08:35 PM
I think it might be to do with the fact that England and Ireland are different members.
Englnad are full and Ireland aint.
No I don't think anyone on the entire planet is bothered about the Irish cricket team.
I'd assume it's because Ireland don't compete at Test level - are they not considered a minor County? He plays his cricket in England. Joyce can hardly be blamed for wanting to further his career and take part in the most eagerly awaited Test series for over 20 years.
What's he supposed to do? Say "thanks fellas but no thanks"?
I don't care who Joyce plays for Shaggy, I just think it's odd that there seems to be no rules regarding players switching countries (none that anyone can tell me about anyway)
We had Hanse Cronje play for Ireland at one stage.
I was wondering about the county point, because I know we play in whatever the cup competition is. Our Rugby League team playin the Cup over there too.
Jesus do you really think I'm bothered about the Irish cricket team ? (A sport played by about 5 clubs in Ireland)
I didn't know we had a cricket team until we beat the W Indies a few years back.
What I'm asking is how can a guy just turn around and play for another country that he has no family links to and when he has already been capped for another country ?
Its BS in some sports .. the Japan Rugby team a few yrs back had a couple of ex-All Blacks in it ... for Japan !! No Money involved there like :haha: :crackoff: :rash:
Anfield Mole
20-11-06, 04:34 PM
The Aussies are not blameless when it comes to fielding non Australians in their team, Andrew Symonds was afterall born in Birmingham.
Regarding Joyce, his situation is no different from that of Geriant Jones who was norn in New Guinea or even that of the Jamaican born John Barnes.
Tonight play starts at Midnight. I only hope i can stay awake as it will be another heavy night on the beer as the match is first. We Should do them at the Gabba as it is a fast wicket and should suit our fast bowlers like Matthew Hoggard with the reverse swing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNS4zxGUmNc
:crackoff: :crackoff: :crackoff:
Can't wait for tonight. What are everyone's plans?
I couldn't justify being off tomorrow or Thursday (I'll save booking time off for later in the series) so I'll watch the "morning" session, which is due to end at 2am. Five poxy hours' kip and up for work. :(
red_in_oz
22-11-06, 12:27 PM
Being a Pom in Oz tomorrow will be spent listening to the tripe these convicts come out with every Ashes series!
I'll be at work so will have the radio on at my desk and the telly on in the office. Hopefully the boss will beout a wee bit so I can nip round to the telly and watch it rather than listen.
COME ON ENGLAND!!!!!
I have got Thurs and Fri off. Doubt I will make it past 2am myself tonight.
Hope they have stump mic's in so we can hear the sledging. Cracking part of the game. Some classics here
http://forum.frankblack.net/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=8946
downunder
22-11-06, 01:24 PM
Ahhh the joys of living in Aus and working at home...TV on for me.
Monty's song
To the tune of the adams family:
He spins it and he loops it,
He turns it and he moves it,
He'll make the aussies lose it,
He's Monty Panesar,
Dddd (clap,clap) dddd (clap,clap) dddd dddd dddd (clap,clap)!!
Sir Bob
22-11-06, 05:44 PM
I can't wait for tonight.
I hope we play giles over Monty. although Monty is a better bowler, finger spinners have a very limited impact at the Gabba. The spinner will play a holding role & Giles can do this job well. If we don't play Giles our lower order is very weak. we can't have a tail of Hoggard at 8, Harmy at 9, Anderson @ 10 & Monty @ 11.
The toss could be vital as well. we need to win it, bat first & make plenty. we must put the aussies under presure from the start. all the pressure is on them. They're at home, they're favourites & if they don't win, its the end of the road for many of their over 30's. We must keep the series tight as the pressure will build & build. If they win the 1st test it will release all that pressure & life will be very hard for England.
I think it will be a close series with only a test in it & England are not without a chance. If we don't lose the 1st test I think we can draw the series & keep the Ashes.
Red Chilli
22-11-06, 06:53 PM
We Should do them at the Gabba as it is a fast wicket and should suit our fast bowlers like Matthew Hoggard .
Are you havin a laugh?
Is he havin a laugh?
The Aussies are as near unbeatable at the Gabba as it gets. There is no way we'll win this one without some bizarre twist of fate. We're going for a draw in this Test which will be a mighty fine start to the series. That's why we're going for the King of Spain rather than Monty, Gilo will bat out a lot more time than Monty and will slow the Aussies down with his negative left arm over bowling.
I'd be amazed and over the moon if we win but I'll be more than happy with a bore draw at the Gabba:handshake:
Are you havin a laugh?
Is he havin a laugh?
The Aussies are as near unbeatable at the Gabba as it gets. There is no way we'll win this one without some bizarre twist of fate. We're going for a draw in this Test which will be a mighty fine start to the series. That's why we're going for the King of Spain rather than Monty, Gilo will bat out a lot more time than Monty and will slow the Aussies down with his negative left arm over bowling.
I'd be amazed and over the moon if we win but I'll be more than happy with a bore draw at the Gabba:handshake:
I know it is the Gabbatwa as they call it but I genuinly feel if our fast bowlers stay fit and bowl a good line and length we can get some sort of a result. A draw would be a result in my book! :handshake:
spud_gun
22-11-06, 09:10 PM
Taken a few days off work that happens to coincide with the start of the series :)
The way my Xmas holidays and such pan out i'll be able to catch most days play. It's all a matter of staying awake.
Should be a brilliant series, really looking forward to it.
Aussie Aussie Aussie :)
animal magic
22-11-06, 09:30 PM
come on england :rock:
Zambian_Red
22-11-06, 10:31 PM
Anyone else think that England are going to get a right hammering in the up comming Ashes series?
Aussies to win 3-1 and i know the milkman will crop up and say something stupid as always.
Anyway a special request to anyone who could upload the 40 minute highlights that BBC will be showing everyday would be much appreciated since some overseas supporters dont have access to watch the series (currently residing in Canada).
lfc4ever
22-11-06, 11:04 PM
FFS, Giles over Panesar! Tossers.
lfc4ever
22-11-06, 11:05 PM
Aussies to win 3-1 and i know the milkman will crop up and say something stupid as always.
Anyway a special request to anyone who could upload the 40 minute highlights that BBC will be showing everyday would be much appreciated since some overseas supporters dont have access to watch the series (currently residing in Canada).
No promises, but I'll try ok.
Zambian_Red
22-11-06, 11:10 PM
No promises, but I'll try ok.
No problem mate, anything from you is better than anything even if you upload each days play after a few days i dont mind as long as i get to watch the highlights.
You're a legend mate and for this kind favour do please let me know if i can do anything for you. I will be in UK next year in May and i could take you out for lunch/dinner/drinks...............your choice of preference.
Will provide you with my email and we can get in touch and give you my details where i will be staying.
Being a Pom in Oz tomorrow will be spent listening to the tripe these convicts come out with every Ashes series!
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y252/BeachyLFC83/violin.gif
FFS, Giles over Panesar! Tossers.
Terrible decision on the part of the Poms.
Sydney Vicious
22-11-06, 11:57 PM
Can't wait for The Ashes to start, I'm feeling tired and need some boring fucking shite to push me over the edge into slumberland :haha: :haha: :haha:
<dives for cover>
Terrible decision on the part of the Poms.
Indeed. Strikes me as negative, although I can see the thinking. If Monty played we'd have four number 11s from 8 down.
Enjoy the series my Aussie friends...may the best team win. :handshake:
darkknight
23-11-06, 12:00 AM
Lost the toss - nice start Freddy.
darkknight
23-11-06, 12:03 AM
First delivery - wide
It s going well.
Indeed. Strikes me as negative, although I can see the thinking. If Monty played we'd have four number 11s from 8 down.
Enjoy the series my Aussie friends...may the best team win. :handshake:
I can see the thinking too ... but for me it shows there is a lack of confidence about the batting line up.
:handshake:
darkknight
23-11-06, 12:06 AM
consecutive boundaries - bugger
darkknight
23-11-06, 12:07 AM
0/9 first over - looks like a one day score already beachy :D
Bit early for me to potentially be putting my foot in it mate :D
darkknight
23-11-06, 12:11 AM
maiden over :respect:
darkknight
23-11-06, 12:13 AM
oops 4 more.
6 gullys in now.
darkknight
23-11-06, 12:14 AM
jeepers
darkknight
23-11-06, 12:25 AM
0/31 off 5
Should be playing in colours
ha ha so true
They have picked a poor side
darkknight
23-11-06, 12:27 AM
............ in the air !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh - 4 more.
darkknight
23-11-06, 12:32 AM
fuk its quiet - hey dan :handshakeythingo:
Things may change ... but Flintoff has been very reactive rather than proactive with his captaincy so far. Moving fielders to where the ball has just been hit.
Also, only having two slips this early is questionable.
fuk its quiet - hey dan :handshakeythingo:
hi
darkknight
23-11-06, 12:38 AM
everyone might be down at the scottish citizenship application office.
darkknight
23-11-06, 12:49 AM
missed it by that ' ' much - 4 more.
Our bowling all over the place so far, although Langer's been a touch lucky once or twice.
red_in_oz
23-11-06, 01:28 AM
We're bowling poorly.
Unless you bowl like McGrath does, you'll get slaughtered on a pitch like this!
:shake:
darkknight
23-11-06, 01:31 AM
wahooooooooo ............ game on !
red_in_oz
23-11-06, 01:33 AM
One down - nine to go!
lfc4ever
23-11-06, 01:37 AM
10 green aussies, lined up in a row
If you knock one over, only nine more to go
Nine green aussies lined up in a row.......
Red_Polo
23-11-06, 08:05 AM
Does Ponting remind anyone else of George Bush?
http://www.hindu.com/2006/09/14/images/2006091405732101.jpg
http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/MMPH/243562~George-Bush-Jr-Posters.jpg
Too much class. ;)
Haha! You all said that after the first Test last time and it came back to bite you on the arse.
I can’t see us rescuing this one though, even with four days’ play to go. We’re under-prepared and have a bowling attack nowhere near peak condition. Form & fitness doubts about all of ‘em.
downunder
23-11-06, 09:49 AM
They batted extremely well,we bowled mediocre. Not good but 7 quick wickets and game on.
Poor start from the boys, its going to take a great effort to force the draw now. Really need Harmison to get his head screwed on as Freddy cant do it alone and Hoggy gonna be ineffective in this weather
thesilverfoxlfc
23-11-06, 01:53 PM
Great start by the Aussies Hamies first bowl sent a message to the Aussies he's nerves were all over the place along with some others. You never show your nerves
animal magic
23-11-06, 06:02 PM
stayed up all night to watch it the best england can get this test is a draw
Jayesh87
23-11-06, 06:39 PM
India are better than both teams :handshake: :rolleyes:
I still think England will twat the aussies anyways :point:
animal magic
23-11-06, 06:52 PM
what after you got hammered by south africa :shake:
Zambian_Red
23-11-06, 07:40 PM
Too much class. ;)
You can say that again mate, when giles took martyn's wicket the way he re-acted was like he just won the test match for england.Yeah he came back from injury and stuff but he is not a bowler in the same class as warne, kumble and harbhajan.
In my opinion penasar should have played, nevertheless i just hope aussies pile more runs and put england out of thier misery.
Ponting pure class:rock: :rock: :rock:
Zambian_Red
23-11-06, 07:42 PM
India are better than both teams :handshake: :rolleyes:
I still think England will twat the aussies anyways :point:
As usual the milkman talks shit as ever how could india get bowled out for 91 and didnt the aussies beat india in the recent ICC champions trophy.
thesilverfoxlfc
24-11-06, 01:08 AM
Look at all these fookers drinking beer at 10 in the morning laying back in the 30 plus degrees watching cricket, what a life :rant:
thesilverfoxlfc
24-11-06, 01:08 AM
The harmie is off the radar so far
MrMichael
24-11-06, 03:25 AM
Ponting out, lbw Hoggard................. for only 196. Some innings.
Oh dear, here comes Gilchrist :o
MrMichael
24-11-06, 03:29 AM
:woot:
Did I say oh dear? I meant yay!, out third ball for a duck, Hoggard again :rock:
602/9 declared. England couldn't even bowl them out ... pretty useless to be honest !
England.........
WOW!!! 42/.....................................3.
FFS!
Message from the darkknight ...
Oh dear .... 3/42 :haha:
Oh Great that fat Fecker has just started to bowl
Jayesh87
24-11-06, 03:28 PM
As usual the milkman talks shit as ever how could india get bowled out for 91 and didnt the aussies beat india in the recent ICC champions trophy.
feck off you glory fan :haha: :bird:
I always say liverpool are the best team in the world, doesn't mean it true though does it :handshake:
Jayesh87
24-11-06, 03:29 PM
Why is Collingwood batting so high up the order?
Zambian_Red
24-11-06, 05:47 PM
feck off you glory fan :haha: :bird:
I always say liverpool are the best team in the world, doesn't mean it true though does it :handshake:
Boshrina FU to you too mate:bird:
Atleast i have my roots from oz unlike you
Jayesh87
24-11-06, 06:02 PM
Boshrina FU to you too mate:bird:
Atleast i have my roots from oz unlike you
I wouldn't wanna have roots in Australia though :rash:
Los Rojos
24-11-06, 07:26 PM
I'll be watching my first bit of Ashes action tonight. I've got a crate in so I'm well prepared :rock:
All England needs is a triple hundred from Pietersen and they're back in the match :cool:
thesilverfoxlfc
24-11-06, 07:49 PM
Haha Kids and their toys
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/cricket/england/6179710.stm
animal magic
24-11-06, 08:30 PM
did anyone see flintoff's face after he came back from the bathroom and realised england had lost 2 wickets it was like this :jaw:
Colemere
24-11-06, 10:15 PM
did anyone see flintoff's face after he came back from the bathroom and realised england had lost 2 wickets it was like this :jaw:
You mean after he came back from the nets.
animal magic
24-11-06, 10:26 PM
yeah :haha:
its truly a delight to watch Australia at times. McGrath and Lee can be devasting and then Warne just makes magic happen.
fuck sake, thats game over
Los Rojos
25-11-06, 12:58 AM
It's not looking good now for a 4th day.
haha
truly awful although KP was unlucky. Flintoff is clearly not match ready.
Game set & match now - fucking aussies look so good, mcgrath & lee make ours bats technique look very suspect indeed
Not an excuse but the pitch is a shocker though, shame are guys can't bowl to it
the master is bowling now
:respect:
Warne will clean us up for under 120 :sigh:
Los Rojos
25-11-06, 01:19 AM
The pitch was ok for the first two days. England were terrible on the first day.
Fletcher picked a team which knew they were going to lose the first test.
Why the fuck wasn't Monty in the starting XI?
Giles couldn't bowl my Nan out.
thet certainly went for the safe options.
Bell looks ok. If Jones can settle, maybe a big partners....oh who am I kidding.
thesilverfoxlfc
25-11-06, 01:23 AM
did anyone see flintoff's face after he came back from the bathroom and realised england had lost 2 wickets it was like this :jaw:
That was priceless he couldnt believe it lucky he didnt stay in the nets for longer :haha: :haha: :haha:
Red Chilli
25-11-06, 02:52 AM
Flintoff should never be captain, he truely is becoming the next Ian Botham. Literally carrying the team in terms of performance (though not with the bat today) but couldn't captain a team of badgers. He has no tactical knowledge, he seems to have no plan in how to get the Australians out and his team look totally devoid of inspiration and direction(like Harmisson's bowling :shake: ).
Maybe it's too much for him to take on but personally, I just don't think he will ever have the skills to be a good captain.
Giles or Panesar, well it's totally irrelevant if you have the shite coming from the other end that England had. Anderson - toss , Harmisson - toss , Hoggard - toss.
Cook - he will struggle to average 20 in this series. I've said it all along, the lad has an obvious weakness just outside off stump, a bit like Gower outside his leg stump. McGrath will take his wicket EVERY time because he just has to plonk it on a length outside off stump and cook will do the rest.
Collingwood - MEDIOCRE! Mediocre bowler, mediocre batsman. He should never play for England EVER again.
Strauss - Moment of madness, hope he got his arse kicked for that shot.
Pieterson and Flintoff just never really got in, can't blame either of them.
Everything rests on Bell scoring a triple century :haha:
1-0 then :(
Red Chilli
25-11-06, 03:03 AM
And another thing!
Does anyone else think these umpires are right "homers"?
Same set of umpires who umpired Ashes 2005. Most of the ropey decisions went England's way in that series, all of the ropey decisions have gone Australias way in this one.
Lots of umpiring mistakes already :rant:
Jones is out now :cry:
Come on Gilo, first ball :haha:
red_in_oz
25-11-06, 03:24 AM
Flintoff should never be captain, he truely is becoming the next Ian Botham. Literally carrying the team in terms of performance (though not with the bat today) but couldn't captain a team of badgers. He has no tactical knowledge, he seems to have no plan in how to get the Australians out and his team look totally devoid of inspiration and direction(like Harmisson's bowling :shake: ).
Maybe it's too much for him to take on but personally, I just don't think he will ever have the skills to be a good captain.
:(
It's so obvious that England have no plan in this Test. In 2005 under Vaughan there was a plan for every Aussie batsmen and it worked.
All England did in Brisbane was bowl outside of stump and get nothing. Look at McGratn & Lee - bowling AT THE STUMPS so force England to play with a straight bat AND offer a shot. Look at the results: LBW decisions and edge to slips/keeper. That's how you have to bowl on Aussie wickets.
The Aussies want this win badly,you can see it.The English look like rabbits caught in the headlights!! :(
wont even make pontings score
SouthAfricaRed
25-11-06, 04:33 AM
Strange decision of Ponting to bat again with Australia 445 ahead :confused:
Could this be the ugly side of Finances rearing its head. Surely the only explanation can be that He wants to ensure a fifth day which would mean extra gates :shake:
red_in_oz
25-11-06, 05:26 AM
Strange decision of Ponting to bat again with Australia 445 ahead :confused:
Could this be the ugly side of Finances rearing its head. Surely the only explanation can be that He wants to ensure a fifth day which would mean extra gates :shake:
I think he's just letting McGrath etc have a rest so they can come out on Sunday and bowl to 5 slips!! :(
SouthAfricaRed
25-11-06, 05:52 AM
I think he's just letting McGrath etc have a rest so they can come out on Sunday and bowl to 5 slips!! :(
McGrath didn't look like he needed a rest :haha:
Agree with you regarding Freddie as skipper - I love the bloke to bits but an England captain against the Aussies needs a bit more nous than just blood and guts to get you through. He seems very reactive rather than proactive, doesnt help his main weapon, Harmy, is all over the show. Plans will have gone out the window, he'll just want to get him through this disaster without losing him for the whole tour
Get to Adelaide, win the toss, bat and put 350/400 on the board and get stuck into the convicts with something to work with
Not an excuse but the pitch is a shocker though, shame are guys can't bowl to it
The pitch a shocker? Give me a break :rolleyes:
Very few of England's dismissals (if any) can be attributed to the pitch. It was very good bowling and poor batting.
And the reason we've been piling on the runs has been mainly down to England's terrible bowling and fielding. Nothing to do with the pitch
The pitch a shocker? Give me a break :rolleyes:
Very few of England's dismissals (if any) can be attributed to the pitch. It was very good bowling and poor batting.
And the reason we've been piling on the runs has been mainly down to England's terrible bowling and fielding. Nothing to do with the pitch
I'm afraid I have to agree. This is shocking stuff from England.
During our innings I thought maybe the pitch was doing a bit - the ball Pietersen received (never LBW, by the way) nipped back a bit and with those massive cracks, I thought our bowlers might be able to reduce the Aussies.
Fat fucking chance.
Harmy's technique has all fucking gone and he seems mentally shot. Giles may have done what he was brought into the side for - bowl steadily and make a few runs - but really, was his 24 really worth leaving Monty out for? Fuck that.
This Test is over, so for the next one I'd bring in Monty for Giles and Mahmood for either Anderson or Harmison.
One thing that gives us hope is the fact we went 1-0 down pretty comprehensively last time - although most of our boys were in some sort of form then. Quite the opposite now.
This could be a long tour. :(
It's so obvious that England have no plan in this Test. In 2005 under Vaughan there was a plan for every Aussie batsmen and it worked.
All England did in Brisbane was bowl outside of stump and get nothing. Look at McGratn & Lee - bowling AT THE STUMPS so force England to play with a straight bat AND offer a shot. Look at the results: LBW decisions and edge to slips/keeper. That's how you have to bowl on Aussie wickets.
The Aussies want this win badly,you can see it.The English look like rabbits caught in the headlights!! :(
Couldn't agree more mate. Although Vaughany's form with the bat had dipped somewhat, his captaincy always remained progressive. He's a great captain and we're missing him big time. We're also missing Simon Jones hugely.
No excuse for this shambles though.
Giles may have done what he was brought into the side for - bowl steadily and make a few runs - but really, was his 24 really worth leaving Monty out for? Fuck that.
This Test is over, so for the next one I'd bring in Monty for Giles and Mahmood for either Anderson or Harmison.
As an Aussie, I was delighted to see Giles named ahead of Panesar. This game requires you to take 20 wickets to win, and Panesar is far better equipped to help you get those 20 wickets than Giles (I reckon he'd struggle to turn a steering wheel personally).
Hoggard and Anderson are both similar kinds of bowlers IMO, so from my point of view England would be better off having Mahmood in for one of those two.
Also, Collingwood isn't up to Test standard IMO.
One thing that gives us hope is the fact we went 1-0 down pretty comprehensively last time - although most of our boys were in some sort of form then. Quite the opposite now.
I reckon you're spot on there. Despite being well beaten, England's bowlers rattled a few cages at Lord's. Apart from maybe Flintoff, I don't think any of England's bowlers hold any fear for us at the moment.
spud_gun
25-11-06, 01:22 PM
God damn computer blew up on Wednesday night :rant:
so i've not been able to comment on the ashes.
Suffice to say
:woot:
it's been fooking magic so far
Wonder if The Telegrpah will be giving away a commemarative DVD of the 2006/07 ashes?
Did anyone else pick up on Atherton's dis-quiet at not being invited to Beefy's birthday bash on Thursday evening?
Holding came out with a classic line when Atherton was asking him if he'd been invited to the party "Yes, and so was my son" ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
Red Chilli
25-11-06, 05:48 PM
This game requires you to take 20 wickets to win,.
I agree with the rest of the post but this tired old cliche always pisses me off.
You don't HAVE to take 20 wickets to win, occasionally teams declare early trying to ensure a win and the opponents knock the runs off. Won't happen here but this cliche is clearly bollocks.
What the game DOES require to win is that you score more runs than the opposition.
Red Chilli
25-11-06, 06:04 PM
Couldn't agree more mate. Although Vaughany's form with the bat had dipped somewhat, his captaincy always remained progressive. He's a great captain and we're missing him big time. We're also missing Simon Jones hugely.
No excuse for this shambles though.
Vaughan is a HUGE loss not just for his runs but also his captaincy. Flintoff hasn't got a clue.
Tresco is another big loss, Cooke has a suspect technique outside his off stump. If I've noticed it you can be damn sure the Australians have.
S.Jones is a loss but shouldn't have been as big a loss as it has. His absence has been highlighted by the shite from the rest of the bowlers.
Harmisson is a lazy fucking **** who needs a good kick up the arse. ONCE in his career has he taken his talent seriously and that was on the last tour of the Windies. Prior to that tour he'd missed the NZ tour in order to get himself fit. He took himself off to the barcodes training camp, became inspired by the work the barcodes did in training, especially Shearer. He got himslef fit and he bowled like a demon. Since then he's been a lazy fat fucking bastard who is happy to trundle in and pick up his central contract pay. If Trueman was alice today he'd rip his ears off. The lad needs to get back to county cricket and bowl some fucking overs. He's a lard arsed disgrace.
Hoggie has been consistent. He's always steady, occasionally shocking and sometimes devastating. He's no match winner but he does his job.
Anderson - Great potential, not enough bowling in the last 12 months.
Collingwood - waste of fucking space.
Gilo - same as Hoggie, no match winner but does his job.
Forget this test, we're playing or pride and more importantly FITNESS. I was over the moon that the Aussies batted on, Harmisson should be made to bowl for the whole innings with Anderson at the other end.
When we bat, our batsmen need some serious time at the crease. I don't care if we lose by 1000 runs, we need to get some form.
For the next test I'd have no problem playing Gilo and Monty, Adelaide is always a dead wicket anyway. Harmisson has to play, he needs the overs. We need to recruit another batsman to take Collingwood's place.
I'd pick Plunkett, from what I've heard he's bowling the best of them all at the moment and could just shake the Aussies confidence.
This squad is terminally short of experience. How many have played in Aussie before? Harmisson, Giles, Hoggie. Is that it?
spud_gun
25-11-06, 06:24 PM
Forget this test, we're playing or pride and more importantly FITNESS. I was over the moon that the Aussies batted on, Harmisson should be made to bowl for the whole innings with Anderson at the other end.
You don't play the first test of an Ashes series in order to get fit. That is lunacy.
As for the Aussies not enforcing the follow on. Inspired. Give McGrath and to a less extent Warne a rest. Let Poniting and co further disharten the England 'pace' attack and watch McGrath, Warne and Lee rip England apart today.
England will be doing we'll to make 220 a.o in the second innings.
As for the next test i'd expect Monty to be given a shot. As has already been said you don't win test without taking wickets.
HotSauce
25-11-06, 09:32 PM
Test no. 1817
The Ashes - 1st Test
Australia v England 2006/07 season
Played at Brisbane Cricket Ground, Woolloongabba, Brisbane, on 23,24,25,26,27 November 2006 (5-day match)
Australia 1st innings R M B 4s 6s SR
JL Langer c Pietersen b Flintoff 82 136 98 13 0 83.67
ML Hayden c Collingwood b Flintoff 21 88 47 2 0 44.68
RT Ponting lbw b Hoggard 196 464 319 23 0 61.44
DR Martyn c Collingwood b Giles 29 79 62 2 0 46.77
MEK Hussey b Flintoff 86 257 187 7 0 45.98
MJ Clarke c Strauss b Anderson 56 153 94 5 1 59.57
AC Gilchrist lbw b Hoggard 0 3 3 0 0 0.00
SK Warne c Jones b Harmison 17 42 26 1 0 65.38
B Lee not out 43 90 61 5 0 70.49
SR Clark b Flintoff 39 34 23 3 2 169.56
GD McGrath not out 8 26 17 0 0 47.05
Extras (b 2, lb 8, w 8, nb 7) 25
Total (9 wickets dec; 155 overs; 690 mins) 602
Fall of wickets1-79 (Hayden, 18.3 ov), 2-141 (Langer, 28.5 ov), 3-198 (Martyn, 47.2 ov), 4-407 (Hussey, 108.4 ov), 5-467 (Ponting, 126.3 ov), 6-467 (Gilchrist, 126.6 ov), 7-500 (Warne, 135.3 ov), 8-528 (Clarke, 141.3 ov), 9-578 (Clark, 149.1 ov)
Bowling O M R W Econ
SJ Harmison 30 4 123 1 4.10 (1nb, 6w)
MJ Hoggard 31 5 98 2 3.16 (1nb)
JM Anderson 29 6 141 1 4.86 (1w)
A Flintoff 30 4 99 4 3.30 (3nb, 1w)
AF Giles 25 2 91 1 3.64
IR Bell 1 0 12 0 12.00 (2nb)
KP Pietersen 9 1 28 0 3.11
England 1st innings R M B 4s 6s SR
AJ Strauss c Hussey b McGrath 12 25 21 2 0 57.14
AN Cook c Warne b McGrath 11 27 15 1 0 73.33
IR Bell c Ponting b Clark 50 228 162 5 0 30.86
PD Collingwood c Gilchrist b Clark 5 24 13 1 0 38.46
KP Pietersen lbw b McGrath 16 72 44 1 0 36.36
A Flintoff c Gilchrist b Lee 0 4 3 0 0 0.00
GO Jones lbw b McGrath 19 90 57 2 0 33.33
AF Giles c Hayden b McGrath 24 61 39 4 0 61.53
MJ Hoggard c Gilchrist b Clark 0 12 6 0 0 0.00
SJ Harmison c Gilchrist b McGrath 0 5 5 0 0 0.00
JM Anderson not out 2 9 8 0 0 25.00
Extras (b 2, lb 8, w 2, nb 6) 18
Total (all out; 61.1 overs; 283 mins) 157
Fall of wickets1-28 (Strauss, 5.4 ov), 2-28 (Cook, 5.5 ov), 3-42 (Collingwood, 10.6 ov), 4-78 (Pietersen, 27.4 ov), 5-79 (Flintoff, 28.3 ov), 6-126 (Jones, 49.2 ov), 7-149 (Bell, 56.2 ov), 8-153 (Hoggard, 58.2 ov), 9-154 (Harmison, 59.2 ov), 10-157 (Giles, 61.1 ov)
Bowling O M R W Econ
B Lee 15 3 51 1 3.40 (5nb, 2w)
GD McGrath 23.1 8 50 6 2.15 (1nb)
SR Clark 14 5 21 3 1.50
SK Warne 9 0 25 0 2.77
Australia 2nd innings R M B 4s 6s SR
JL Langer not out 88 134 8 0 65.67
ML Hayden run out (Anderson/Jones) 37 67 41 6 0 90.24
RT Ponting not out 51 66 3 0 77.27
Extras (lb 4, nb 1) 5
Total (1 wicket; 40 overs) 181
To bat DR Martyn, MEK Hussey, MJ Clarke, AC Gilchrist, SK Warne, B Lee, SR Clark, GD McGrath
Fall of wickets1-68 (Hayden, 15.3 ov)
Bowling O M R W Econ
MJ Hoggard 8 1 31 0 3.87
JM Anderson 9 1 54 0 6.00
A Flintoff 5 2 11 0 2.20 (1nb)
SJ Harmison 10 1 45 0 4.50
AF Giles 5 0 22 0 4.40
KP Pietersen 3 0 14 0 4.66
FLMAO!
We're going to win by a thousand.
HotSauce
25-11-06, 09:47 PM
the pitch is a shocker
Nothing in it for the batsmen - 602/9 , 181/1.
Nothing in it for the bowlers - 157.
:haha:
Red Chilli
25-11-06, 09:49 PM
You don't play the first test of an Ashes series in order to get fit. That is lunacy.
Of course it's lunacy, that's my point though. We've come into this whole series TOTALLY unprepared, almost as though we couldn't give a toss. Not one of our bowlers has bowled enough 1st class overs and consequently they've bowled it all over the shop.
We need overs, we need to get our bowlers fit and in rhythm because Fletcher and his monkeys have failed to prepare our players in the correct way. We never had a chance in this Test, even had we won the toss we probably would've been turned over by an innings and plenty.
What I'm saying is we're seriously under cooked in the bowling department and the only remedy is time at the wicket. Had we followed on and got turned over by an innings our bowlers would have gone to Adelaide STILL under cooked. At least they've had some more bowling.
Red Chilli
25-11-06, 09:52 PM
Nothing in it for the batsmen - 602/9 , 181/1.
Nothing in it for the bowlers - 157.
:haha:
It's true, this has been a good cricket wicket so far. Only one team has played any cricket on it though.
is it worth staying up tonight
had about 6 hours sleep in 3 days watching this
Red Chilli
25-11-06, 11:57 PM
is it worth staying up tonight
had about 6 hours sleep in 3 days watching this
Didn't know you were a big fan of cricket kopdan, fair play to you :handshake:
There is always something worth staying up for, obviously the result is a foregone conclusion but things which happen have a baring on the rest of the series. It'll be interesting seeing just how fucking shite Harmisson and Anderson are bowling now and comparing it to how much better they will be in the final test whe we're 4-0 down.
Fletcher must GO! :rant:
oh yes
I love the bat and ball
here they come
Los Rojos
26-11-06, 01:34 AM
Strauss needs shooting. You're looking to bat for two days and then you play a pathetic hook shot like that. Give me strength.
lfc4ever
26-11-06, 01:38 AM
Strauss needs shooting. You're looking to bat for two days and then you play a pathetic hook shot like that. Give me strength.
A mirror shot & get out of the 1st innings, did he not learn something, anything??!!
Jeesh, nothing like being on the back foot before you even start.
What the game DOES require to win is that you score more runs than the opposition.
So you pick a substandard bowler just for an extra 15-20 runs with the bat? He'll cost you more than that in the field
Los Rojos
26-11-06, 01:52 AM
You talking about Collingwood Beachy?
Los Rojos
26-11-06, 02:04 AM
Ok - I agree with you there mate. Giles is rubbish as a bowler. Buchanan and Ponting must have been over the moon when they saw that Monty wasn't playing.
Regards Collingwood - I rate the lad. Some don't and I don't see why. He's got a good batting average and he's the best fielder in the world. He's also useful with the ball.
ningnangnong
26-11-06, 08:31 AM
Collingwood did manage to get 94 today.
Fair play to him, not sure why he charged Warne though, must've wanted a six to bring up his century.
Pietersen is also going strong.
red_in_oz
26-11-06, 10:48 AM
England know they will lose on Monday - so why not use it as good batting practice against some of the best bowling inthe world.
That will acheive two things:
1. Delay the inevitable.
2. Build some confidence as Adelaide will arrive very quickly!
One last point, England must play Panesar in Adelaide. I'd also play Giles and sacrifice Harmison or Anderson if necessary.
Colemere
26-11-06, 10:56 AM
If bad weather is predicted for most of the afternoon and evenning then maybe England wil get out of this with something.
Although should that happen it will be all down to the Aussies not enforcing the follow on.:rash:
red_in_oz
26-11-06, 11:03 AM
If bad weather is predicted for most of the afternoon and evenning then maybe England wil get out of this with something.
I bet you it will be sunny all day.
Just hope Pietersen, Jones & Giles offer some resistance and use it as good practice before Adelaide where Egalnd cannot afford to lose.
darkknight
26-11-06, 11:46 AM
If Pietersen digs in and forcasted storms start up, we might have an interesting conclusion to this one.
I bet you it will be sunny all day.
Just hope Jones & Giles offer some resistance
:haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :jaw:
SouthAfricaRed
26-11-06, 11:59 AM
:haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :jaw:
Were you watching last night Dan?
yep
it will be over by lunch
SouthAfricaRed
26-11-06, 12:06 PM
yep
it will be over by lunch
I thought you'd gone to sleep and that was why England was doing better :haha:
FLMAO!
We're going to win by a thousand.
No you're not.
Also, Collingwood isn't up to Test standard IMO.
:crackoff:
The Aussies are not blameless when it comes to fielding non Australians in their team, Andrew Symonds was afterall born in Birmingham.
Regarding Joyce, his situation is no different from that of Geriant Jones who was norn in New Guinea or even that of the Jamaican born John Barnes.
Did John Barnes have 53 caps for Jamaica before he played for England ?
:crackoff:
I stand by what I said.
Full credit to him, he toughed it out today. But there's plenty of weaknesses there to be exploited if he gets picked for future Tests in this series.
If bad weather is predicted for most of the afternoon and evenning then maybe England wil get out of this with something.
Being a local, I can tell you that if a storm does hit, it will most likely be quite late in the afternoon. They also tend to be quite fast moving, so don't expect too much time to be lost
Did John Barnes have 53 caps for Jamaica before he played for England ?
OK a fairer comparison. Ireland haven't played a match at full international level (i.e. a Test Match) so games for Ireland (counted as a minor county mostly and allowed two foreign players as such) should be given a similar weighting to say Ryan Giggs youth matches for England. I know Giggs is clearly Welsh but the point about national qualification I think remains valid.
I'm not sure I quite believe my own argument as presented here but I think that it is pretty obvious that nationality in terms of international sport is a bit of a gray area.
FLMAO at England. I knew they'd get tanked down under. Its one thing to scrape a win on your home soil, another to go down there and expect anything other than a total whitewash.
Though even i'm surprised at their total collapse. Although they're never gonna win where's Monty? :confused:
Enjoyed the last Ashes, but i can't be arsed staying up to watch this annihilation.
thesilverfoxlfc
27-11-06, 01:30 AM
Monty aint half got bad skin they had a close up of him tonight and he has a beard for more then one reason
HotSauce
28-11-06, 12:03 AM
No you're not.
Ok, 277 then.
Ok, 277 then.
Hardly a thousand, is it.
I don't mind gloating Aussies but you'd think they'd have learned from last time. They ran their mouths off and ended up with egg all over their faces.
HotSauce
28-11-06, 09:06 PM
It's called exaggeration mate.
You see, I didn't really think we'd win by a thousand.
For absolutely no apparent reason I'm pretty confident about this one. It may be McGrath's injury and the spooky parallels with last time, I'm not sure, but I think we'll square the series in Adelaide.
animal magic
30-11-06, 08:11 PM
looks like england will play 2 spinners with anderson being dropped for monty
looks like england will play 2 spinners with anderson being dropped for monty
Yep, totally agree with it too.
animal magic
30-11-06, 08:19 PM
come on monty :rock:
Red Chilli
30-11-06, 08:36 PM
If we bat first, we might have a chance. If we bowl first, we're struggling agian.
This toss is so fucking important it's untrue.
In their first innings in the last seven Tests in Adelaide, Australia have scored 428, 575, 556, 552, 439, 403, 441, going on to win six of the matches and losing just one.
Monty will be facing serious hostility from the crowd. I hope he gets a few wickets.
Monty will be facing serious hostility from the crowd. I hope he gets a few wickets.
Same here.
You stayin' up? Starts half an hour later this one, dunnit. What kind of system is that? Half an hour ahead? Cobblers.
I'm gonna try and go til 1am, maybe 1.30, but I've gotta be up at 7.15. :rant:
animal magic
30-11-06, 09:44 PM
i will be watching even though i am working tomorrow :rash:
i will be watching even though i am working tomorrow :rash:
What time 'til, you reckon? What time you up?
I really fucking struggle with anything less than 8 hours. I'm gonna be fucked tomorrow, but it's Friday. Fuck it.
I'm off work but am up early so I will TRY and see the first couple of hours. It will cause an argument but hey, its cricket.
What time 'til, you reckon? What time you up?
I really fucking struggle with anything less than 8 hours. I'm gonna be fucked tomorrow, but it's Friday. Fuck it.
I got six hours throughout the last Test. Didnt get to bed as I spent most nights on the sofa.
animal magic
30-11-06, 09:51 PM
might watch it all fuck it
I got six hours throughout the last Test. Didnt get to bed as I spent most nights on the sofa.
Six hours in total?!?! I couldn't fucking function!
Aye I woke up on the sofa a few times at frickin' 5am and other such silly hours. Annoying.
My eyes are bleeding here as it is...I can see me falling asleep after the toss. Gotta see that at least, though.
I can't quite believe I'm desperate to stay up to see two blokes tossing a coin.
might watch it all fuck it
You fuckin what?!!?! Seriously? Watch it ALL and go to work on zero hours kip? I physically couldn't do it.
animal magic
30-11-06, 09:55 PM
yeah i watched all the last test i guess i am a sucker for punnishment :rash:
animal magic
30-11-06, 09:55 PM
You fuckin what?!!?! Seriously? Watch it ALL and go to work on zero hours kip? I physically couldn't do it.
yeah done it before :shake:
yeah done it before :shake:
Mary Poppins! I couldn't do that. You must be a wreck at work? How do you stay awake?
I couldn't stay awake all night without the aid of drugs, never mind stay up and THEN go to work. Good effort mate.
animal magic
30-11-06, 09:59 PM
drinks lots of coffee and usually thats enough but the late nights from the last test are catching me up so i dont know how long i will last tonight
Mary Poppins! I couldn't do that. You must be a wreck at work? How do you stay awake?
I couldn't stay awake all night without the aid of drugs, never mind stay up and THEN go to work. Good effort mate.
flmao
I dont sleep much anyway so an all nighter is nothing. If the series gets interesting, I may start drinking coffee at night again.
flmao
I dont sleep much anyway so an all nighter is nothing. If the series gets interesting, I may start drinking coffee at night again.
Christ. Surely I'm not the only one who's eyes start closing after an hours play?
Off topic a bit...and this really deserves a thread of its own, too.......but what about Mohammed Yousuf? :rock: Fuck me he's good.
Ponting's been awesome this year but Yousuf's feats have been phenomenal.
yeah he's been impressive
shame about that beard mind
Joke. I can't stop smoking spliffs either, my eyes are bollocksed.
wonders if Elton Welsby is watching tonight
I'd love to know what dirt you've got on the Welsby. :source:
No Panesar. What a fucking joke. Unfuckingchanged.
WOOOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOOOO won the toss! :rock:
Red Chilli
01-12-06, 12:04 AM
Very strange decision this by the selectors :shake:
Having said that, I think Anderson is about to come good.
Red Chilli
01-12-06, 12:10 AM
Time to make McGrath bowl for 2 days, then we'll see what he's made of.
We're due an innings by Strauss
Time to make McGrath bowl for 2 days, then we'll see what he's made of.
We're due an innings by Strauss
Aren't we just.
The square boundary is tiny here, so Straussy (and later KP and Freddie) ought to be able to make hay with the hook shot.
Red Chilli
01-12-06, 12:15 AM
Shame we haven't got Monty to bowl in the 4th innings :confused:
why the fuck is Giles in?
to score runs?
Red Chilli
01-12-06, 12:29 AM
why the fuck is Giles in?
to score runs?
And to "block an end" so england's fast bowlers can rotate at the other end, except when there's a new ball.
Monty should have played, whether you leave out Giles, Harmisson or Anderson doesn't matter, he warrants his place ahead of all 3 of them.
thesilverfoxlfc
01-12-06, 01:08 AM
Nicely bated against the opening bowlers
thesilverfoxlfc
01-12-06, 02:02 AM
Strauss gone Clarky
thesilverfoxlfc
01-12-06, 02:02 AM
Cook gone now haha Clark again beautifully bowled
MrMichael
01-12-06, 02:08 AM
Oh dear. Pretty good morning for the Aussies so far....
thesilverfoxlfc
01-12-06, 02:14 AM
Warney aint half causing them problems
MrMichael
01-12-06, 05:45 AM
Why play that shot Bell? Decent innings but still.... :rash:
Even by Adelaide's standards, this is an extremely flat pitch.
England should be looking to score 450 at absolute worst.
Yeah the pitch is flat and it seems slow as does the outfield. Thought England recovered well and if Colly and KP can stay in until lunch tomorrow England could be set for a good total. McGrath didn't look too happy today.
Thank fuck its Friday so can stay up and watch a bit tonight.
Even by Adelaide's standards, this is an extremely flat pitch.
England should be looking to score 450 at absolute worst.
Collingwood's shit! :crackoff:
Glynnson
01-12-06, 12:17 PM
KP's four off the 2nd ball - the ego, and rightly so:cool:
animal magic
01-12-06, 07:06 PM
great start we need at least 500 runs on the board
KP's four off the 2nd ball - the ego, and rightly so:cool:
Ian Bell had been struggling with Lee's short stuff for two and half hours. In struts KP and he does that with a throat high 2nd ball! :respect:
He is fucking awesome. There's no better batsman to watch in world cricket than Pietersen when he's on-song. He picks them so early. BOOM! Love it.
Really hope he makes his century. Same goes for Colly. Collingwood usually struggles early on, tentatively prodding all over the shop, so I fear for him again.
animal magic
01-12-06, 07:18 PM
kp is so good i like bell he reminds me of mike atherton he is the sort of player we need to complement kp and freddie so how much did you watch shaggy
kp is so good i like bell he reminds me of mike atherton he is the sort of player we need to complement kp and freddie so how much did you watch shaggy
Watched the morning session before nodding off and waking up during lunch. Went to bed then. I was pretty fed up. The pitch was offering absolutely ZILCH and we found ourselves 45 for fucking 2. I despaired.
I could barely open my eyes this morning, but the first thing I did when I awoke was check the score on my phone. Soon woke me up that did. I was well chuffed, not to mention pleasantly surprised. I charged downstairs to watch the last 40 minutes.
Just seen the highlights of everything I missed.
Gonna have a right good crack at it tonight though. How much did you see mate?
animal magic
01-12-06, 07:29 PM
all of it which surprised me i was like a zombie at work, i know when the 2nd wicket went down i thought here we go again but credit to the batsmen, how long has strauss got before he gets dropped another poor shot last night
Strauss is doing my fucking nut in. It seems an age since he made runs. If he doesn't make a score in the 2nd innings (if we're required to bat, of course :D) his place might be in danger.
Unbelievable effort staying up all night mate. I cannot grasp how you got through the day. I fell asleep at my desk two or three times and had a nightmare 2 hour spell after lunch when I couldn't stop my eyes from closing. Hellish. And I got four and a half hours kip.
Red Chilli
01-12-06, 07:34 PM
Collingwood has made me eat my words with his last 2 innings, I'm reallly happy for him. I still have my doubts about his ability but you can't fault his mental toughness.
Fair play to him :handshake:
KP was essential last night, he came in and completely changed the innings and the tempo. :respect:
We need to bat for a minimum of another 2 sessions, the pitch is too good to let the Aussies anywhere near it yet.
Dead right Chilli mate.
Our incredulously slow scoring rate did my head in last night too. Thank God for KP! :rock:
As for Collingwood...I rate the guy. He's a different type of player at Test level than he is in the County game. For Durham he scores runs at a helluva rate...he can be pretty brutal. He looks a lot more solid now though, at this level.
Red Chilli
01-12-06, 07:49 PM
Anyone who can score a bucket load o' runs in India and australia at Test level deserves a pat on the back. I won't be slating the lad anymore. coming up to his 6th Test century, you can't argue with that.
I just hope we don't use him as a bowler too much, he's a superb fielder but his bowling is not up to Test standard. I hope he concentrates on his batting.
Today hinges on the first hour. We need to survive the new ball, already half a dozen overs old or something. If KP and Colly are still there then the Aussies will lose confidence. So much of this game is mental, when you're a little bit older (McGrath warne, Lee) it's even harder to maintain your confidence and lets not forget about McGrath's sore heel. Hayden and Langer, no spring chickens, will not want another day in the field watching England, their confidence and concentration will dip.
England need to post some centuries, it's SO important to see your batsmen with a hundred, not just for them but for all our players, to show the aussies are vulnerable and beatable. They have 2 centuries, we have none, 2 in this innings would be very nice.
KP, Colly or Freddie have got to be there at the end. Gilo and Hoggie can block up an end whilst the batsmen score. Harmisson and anderson won't hang about though.
More important than all this though, I want to see England field and bowl to a plan for each batsman. Every ball should be seen as a wicket taking ball, the batsmen should be constantly made to think about every ball.
Come on ENGLAND! :rock:
animal magic
01-12-06, 09:57 PM
well said today could be a big day regarding the whole series got to bat all day
Red Chilli
02-12-06, 01:49 AM
Got my stats all feck up arse over tit though. Think i started quoting pieterson's stats in colly's praise :sigh:
Anyway, lovely stuff so far :D
Red Chilli
02-12-06, 01:58 AM
327/3
Centuries for KP :respect: and Colly :respect:
:rock:
Red Chilli
02-12-06, 02:33 AM
347/3 at lunch :rock:
These 2 have nearly put on 200 now, 81 this session.
4 sessions gone, one more and the pitch will start to respond. Looking good for when Freddie gets in and jones still to come. This position is made for those 2. One of this pair to bat through the innings and it's GAME ON!
Great stuff so far. The Aussie lads on here have been notable by their absence! :crackoff:
Gotta be up for 9am....dilemma - do I watch play after lunch?!
thesilverfoxlfc
02-12-06, 02:56 AM
Watch the first over and then SkyPlus from 7:30-8.50 and get the shortened highlights and post day analysis, that what i do
great stuff from Colly & KP - need to push on to 550 ish and then try and sneak out a couple of the convicts in the last half hour or first thing tomorrow to turn the heat up
becoming very interesting
Red_Polo
02-12-06, 05:57 AM
Not before his double century though, good knock that! :rock:
Can't see this not being a draw.
Would have England as favourites atm if they picked Panesar
Can't see this not being a draw.
Would have England as favourites atm if they picked Panesar
Collingwood? :crackoff:
DeeGame
02-12-06, 09:57 AM
all depends on england's bowlers now
Red Chilli
02-12-06, 11:13 AM
Can't see this not being a draw.
Would have England as favourites atm if they picked Panesar
Different game now isn't it :eyebrow:
You won't get 352.:rock:
Red Chilli
02-12-06, 12:22 PM
I often liken a Test match to a 15-round boxing match.
3 rounds (sessions) a day for 5 days.
1st Test, we won 1 round and drew 1 out of 12 and were knocked out in the 13th.
This Test: Aussies won the first round 10 : 9
England won the second round 10:9
3rd round = 10:10
4th round 10:9 England
5th round 10:8 England
6th round 10:8 England
We're 5 points up :)
Collingwood? :crackoff:
Played well.
Different game now isn't it :eyebrow:
You won't get 352.:rock:
We'll see about that.
A lot will depend on how Self Harmison goes tomorrow
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