The Red Card - Page 2

Exiled_red · 08-02-10, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Scratch

Think MOTD ballsed it up then, cos you can clearly see he has to sway to see round Gerrard, right before/at the point of impact, so he will have missed the tackle, and saw the after math with the ball disappearing in the difection that Pienarr was moving, making it look like he got some of the ball.

That's what I thought, but I didn't see MOTD.

Redspin · 08-02-10, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by rudedog

MOTD showed the tackle from the refs position and he had a clear view of it.

He didn't; Gerrard, I think it was, crossed his line of sight just as the challenge was made

rudedog · 08-02-10, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Redspin

He didn't; Gerrard, I think it was, crossed his line of sight just as the challenge was made

Like I said, MOTD showed the footage from the refs angle and froze the play at the point of impact - just reporting what they showed.

Scratch · 08-02-10, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by rudedog

Like I said, MOTD showed the footage from the refs angle and froze the play at the point of impact - just reporting what they showed.

Where was Gerrard in the MOTD reconstruction?

Dhav · 08-02-10, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Craig_H

He came off the ground and went in two footed - it's a red.

Screech should've gone too though.

I don't accept that Kyrgiakos comes off the ground as such, but he does go in two footed, and so that for me is a red. Fellaini should have had two reds really, the kick in Kuyt's face looked deliberate to me (or at the very least reckless), and that is a stamp on Zorba.

Everton really are a bunch of roughhouse cunts

badpiggy · 08-02-10, 06:06 PM

fuckin hell the more i see that pienaar one the worse it gets. i didn't notice it in real time at all - was just a bit of a blur to me. and as for fellaini he seriously went in to damage the greek. he saw the tackle coming - which is 100% studs up and 2-footed and a red - but instead of jumping out of the way he stamps right on the greeks leg. all good crack for fans to go absolutely fuckin mental to though.

fellaini is a horrible cunt and he knows that the majority of the time he'll get away with shit
bring in some sort of video reffing - where managers can make a challenge to a decison and lose a substitution for example - and some sort of citing system afterwards.

wildman · 08-02-10, 06:23 PM

[QUOTE=badpiggy;1524460]fuckin hell the more i see that pienaar one the worse it gets. i didn't notice it in real time at all - was just a bit of a blur to me. and as for fellaini he seriously went in to damage the greek. he saw the tackle coming - which is 100% studs up and 2-footed and a red - but instead of jumping out of the way he stamps right on the greeks leg. all good crack for fans to go absolutely fuckin mental to though.

fellaini is a horrible cunt [QUOTE]

rudedog · 08-02-10, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Scratch

Where was Gerrard in the MOTD reconstruction?

It wasn't a reconstruction, it was actual camera footage shot from directly behind and slightly above the ref. Gerrard was to the right of the ref who looked like he had a clear view of the challenge.

I can't find the footage online anywhere so I'll see if I can take a photo of it from the telly and upload it.

sniffer · 08-02-10, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by The Erectile Banana

He went in two footed with his studs up. It was a dangerous tackle and deserved a red. Fellaini should also have seen red as his stamp was as bad if not worse than Kyriagos' tackle.

Yep red was right as it was deemed a dangerous lunge, but Screech would of seen red if the refs view wasn't obscured

rudedog · 08-02-10, 10:40 PM

here you go

looks like he had a clear view from that.

Scratch · 08-02-10, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by rudedog

here you go

looks like he had a clear view from that.

Dunno, that could be at the point where Pienarr's boot is at it's lowest...cos the ball is already up near Pienarr's midrift.

Also, watching the other angle, Carra i think it is doesn't react to the tackle at all??

rudedog · 08-02-10, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Scratch

Dunno, that could be at the point where Pienarr's boot is at it's lowest...cos the ball is already up near Pienarr's midrift.

Also, watching the other angle, Carra i think it is doesn't react to the tackle at all??

not sure where you see the ball near Peinaar's midfrift?

Like I already said, they froze the play at the point of impact, or very close to it.

At this point, the ball was still on the deck, you don't see the ball emerging until a few frames after this freeze frame. The ball was yellow making it pretty easy to spot

BrianF80 · 09-02-10, 06:56 AM

Someone said Carragher should have walked for his early tackle on Pienaar. I thought bullshit.

And then saw this:

Scratch · 09-02-10, 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by rudedog

not sure where you see the ball near Peinaar's midfrift?

Like I already said, they froze the play at the point of impact, or very close to it.

At this point, the ball was still on the deck, you don't see the ball emerging until a few frames after this freeze frame. The ball was yellow making it pretty easy to spot

So what's that between Pienarr's body and his arm then?? Slightly yellower than the grass behind it with black pattern, not part of the Everton kit or part of Carragher as far as i can tell...looks like the ball to me?

Scratch · 09-02-10, 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by BrianF80

Someone said Carragher should have walked for his early tackle on Pienaar. I thought bullshit.

And then saw this:

http://i46.tinypic.com/2aaaa6p.jpg

Anyone got another pic of this, all i get is a red x here at work.

tiktu · 09-02-10, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by BrianF80

Someone said Carragher should have walked for his early tackle on Pienaar. I thought bullshit.

And then saw this:

From this angle seems that Pienaar tried to headbutt Carra's hand.

rudedog · 09-02-10, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Scratch

So what's that between Pienarr's body and his arm then?? Slightly yellower than the grass behind it with black pattern, not part of the Everton kit or part of Carragher as far as i can tell...looks like the ball to me?

The ball was bright yellow and can't be seen in this frame because its behind Mascheranos lower leg - if you had actually seen the footage then this would be totaly obvious as it can clearly be seen in the frame directly before this one - it is nowhere near Pienaar's elbow or midrift so I really have no idea what you are seeing in the picture.

rudedog · 09-02-10, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by BrianF80

Someone said Carragher should have walked for his early tackle on Pienaar. I thought bullshit.

And then saw this:

looks bad from that angle

Shaggy · 09-02-10, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by BrianF80

Someone said Carragher should have walked for his early tackle on Pienaar. I thought bullshit.

And then saw this:

Shaggy · 09-02-10, 08:39 AM

There's no such word as midrift!

Scratch · 09-02-10, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Shaggy

There's no such word as midrift!

Midriff do you squire?

RedReet · 09-02-10, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by rudedog

looks bad from that angle

He won the ball though and remained on his feet. As bad as the referee was, Carra did get away with a few things that others might have punished him for. I thought the push on Donovan (I think) in the box was a bit risky and not really necessary.

Vermilion · 09-02-10, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by BrianF80

Someone said Carragher should have walked for his early tackle on Pienaar. I thought bullshit.

And then saw this:

Carra.

:lucky:

saj · 09-02-10, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by BrianF80

Someone said Carragher should have walked for his early tackle on Pienaar. I thought bullshit.

And then saw this:

Ha ha, that is fucking quality! Immense challenge: he takes the ball, his legs and then smashes his face all in the space of a split second

The Birdman · 09-02-10, 11:26 AM

The Carra challenge is what's called 'ball and man'
And because he stayed on his feet and won the ball first it'd safe 99% of the time, he got booked for his soft sliding tackle on Pinnear because it was right after the incident and he slid in.
The madness of the modern game.

I should mention fair play to Moyes for coming out and saying they had no complaints about the Pinnear red because he could have been sent off for the Mascherano tackle, compare that view to Wengers chronic blindness especially after the Gallas tackle a couple of weeks ago.

BrianF80 · 09-02-10, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by The Birdman

The Carra challenge is what's called 'ball and man'
And because he stayed on his feet and won the ball first it'd safe 99% of the time, he got booked for his soft sliding tackle on Pinnear because it was right after the incident and he slid in.
The madness of the modern game.

I should mention fair play to Moyes for coming out and saying they had no complaints about the Pinnear red because he could have been sent off for the Mascherano tackle, compare that view to Wengers chronic blindness especially after the Gallas tackle a couple of weeks ago.

Ball and Man. It was GBH.

rudedog · 09-02-10, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by RedReet

He won the ball though and remained on his feet. As bad as the referee was, Carra did get away with a few things that others might have punished him for. I thought the push on Donovan (I think) in the box was a bit risky and not really necessary.

you can't go round forearm smashing people in the face everytime you win a tackle though

RedReet · 09-02-10, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by rudedog

you can't go round forearm smashing people in the face everytime you win a tackle though

Momentum.

Anyway, Cahill led with his arms and caught Lucas in the face later, without even winning the ball or conceding a foul.

Phil Neville also went in studs showing and caught Maxi mid air without conceding a foul which I didn’t see mentioned anywhere.

We’d be here all day if you analysed every tackle as much as this one and find fault in nearly every one of them.

He should have hit the cunt harder if you ask me.

Jas · 09-02-10, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by RedReet

Momentum.

Anyway, Cahill led with his arms and caught Lucas in the face later, without even winning the ball or conceding a foul.

Phil Neville also went in studs showing and caught Maxi mid air without conceding a foul which I didn’t see mentioned anywhere.

We’d be here all day if you analysed every tackle as much as this one and find fault in nearly every one of them.

He should have hit the cunt harder if you ask me.

Quality post, caught a bit of the game on telly last night and thought the same about Neville's tackle.

badpiggy · 09-02-10, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by RedReet

Momentum.

Anyway, Cahill led with his arms and caught Lucas in the face later, without even winning the ball or conceding a foul.

Phil Neville also went in studs showing and caught Maxi mid air without conceding a foul which I didn’t see mentioned anywhere.

We’d be here all day if you analysed every tackle as much as this one and find fault in nearly every one of them.

He should have hit the cunt harder if you ask me.

backathafuckinet

Assassin · 09-02-10, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by BrianF80

Someone said Carragher should have walked for his early tackle on Pienaar. I thought bullshit.

And then saw this:

Carra was merely stopping the bitter wiping his greasy offensive face on the Liverbird.

Carra

Lee · 09-02-10, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by BrianF80

Someone said Carragher should have walked for his early tackle on Pienaar. I thought bullshit.

And then saw this:

Nothing wrong with that chap. Carra got the ball

Jaymo · 10-02-10, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by BrianF80

Someone said Carragher should have walked for his early tackle on Pienaar. I thought bullshit.

And then saw this:

carra knew what he was doing, hes not stupid

possibly a yellow, nothing more.

I think moyes fucked up big time with the decision to play pienaar against carra, i think he would have been more effective against a less experienced and just as slow Insua.. But then again, Moysie is a genius