How many genuinely World Class English players have there been since.................

[Dalglish]

frank lampard

[The_weatherman]

Take out Neville, Terry, Beckham and I can live with the rest.

Really? I think Beckham was world class but on second thought I´ll drop Neville on your request but I feel Terry is also world class, if he´s not then who is?

[The_weatherman]

frank lampard

I´ve tried to get him labeled as WC before but I´m repeatedly shot to bits - you are entering dangerous territory

[Dalglish]

I´ve tried to get him labeled as WC before but I´m repeatedly shot to bits - you are entering dangerous territory

I'm also Scottish

[kemm1]

Really? I think Beckham was world class but on second thought I´ll drop Neville on your request but I feel Terry is also world class, if he´s not then who is?

For an attacking player Beckham is way too limited for my blood. Terry is a great 'second' defender and he should give half of his pay check to Makalele and about 25% to Essien.

[kemm1]

I´ve tried to get him labeled as WC before but I´m repeatedly shot to bits - you are entering dangerous territory

Lampard = another attacking English player who is not the full package, very good at certain things...........

[JohnnyLambert]

Whatever you say Beckham was unbelievable in scums treble winning seson and thereafter for around 2 years!! How many games were won by his cross, Free Kick or defence splitting pass!

I agree not an all round fantastic plyer with every attribute like Zidane but what he did assist wise and Free kicks there was nobody better!!

[The_weatherman]

But how many world class players are good at everything? Ronnie isn´t good at everything and him and Lampard have similar(ish) stats regarding goals and assists last couple of seasons. So Ronnie is not world class then? There are not many players that can fill as many postitions as Gerrard and they don´t have to IMO.

Regarding Terry, swap him with someone else and Chelsea are weaker. He is formidable in the air and has great position, name me another world class CB if Terry isn´t one.

[tomasjj]

Not Lineker?

He was a top player for years.

[JohnnyLambert]

Bobby Moore

[dww]

But how many world class players are good at everything? Ronnie isn´t good at everything and him and Lampard have similar(ish) stats regarding goals and assists last couple of seasons. So Ronnie is not world class then? There are not many players that can fill as many postitions as Gerrard and they don´t have to IMO.

Regarding Terry, swap him with someone else and Chelsea are weaker. He is formidable in the air and has great position, name me another world class CB if Terry isn´t one.

For what it's worth I almost entirely agree with you. However I think that this blanket definition of world class makes it hard to differentiated between two groups of great player:
1/ Those like Ronaldinho who is an out and out great player, any team would be better with him in than out. He obviously can't do everything but who cares as he can single handedly win/turn games.
2/ Those like Lampard who are the best at a very narrow limited role. When you play a genuine holding player Lampard is expceptional at moving the ball from deep to an attacking position while also offering a goal threat himself. In different midfield setups to the one in which he thrives at Chelsea I suspect he would be a much lesser player. However possibly the only player who could do what he does better is Scholes.

[kemm1]

Whatever you say Beckham was unbelievable in scums treble winning seson and thereafter for around 2 years!! How many games were won by his cross, Free Kick or defence splitting pass!

I agree not an all round fantastic plyer with every attribute like Zidane but what he did assist wise and Free kicks there was nobody better!!

Your post just mae mypoint for me. Free kick and crosses and if a plyerr is not as well rounded as Zidane then lower the standard to make up the numbers. As for the SCUM treble year and 2 years after, are yo really saying Beckham was more important to those teams that Keane, Giggs. Scholes, Cole, Staam, Schmeicel.................. I say HELL NO.

[kemm1]

But how many world class players are good at everything? Ronnie isn´t good at everything and him and Lampard have similar(ish) stats regarding goals and assists last couple of seasons. So Ronnie is not world class then? There are not many players that can fill as many postitions as Gerrard and they don´t have to IMO.

Regarding Terry, swap him with someone else and Chelsea are weaker. He is formidable in the air and has great position, name me another world class CB if Terry isn´t one.

As for Ronnie see dww post.

Terry, I'd rather ha Nesta

[kemm1]

Not Lineker?

He was a top player for years.

Compare him to Trzeguet, stats are very similar. Is Ttrez world class in your opinioon

[JohnnyLambert]

Your post just mae mypoint for me. Free kick and crosses and if a plyerr is not as well rounded as Zidane then lower the standard to make up the numbers. As for the SCUM treble year and 2 years after, are yo really saying Beckham was more important to those teams that Keane, Giggs. Scholes, Cole, Staam, Schmeicel.................. I say HELL NO.

Just as important as Giggs, Keane and Schmeicel but far mor than fukn Andy Cole. I dont seem to remember Scholes being an absoloute world beater either.

Undoubtedly a match winner at the top of his game and virtually ubtouchable!!