Saint Mike is back.

[Parm]

some still believe in him.
I though am not one of them.

[Maestro]

Where did you see that?

[Guest]

Where did you see that?

I think he swapped Rocket for Michael Owen.

[AFII]

Tough luck eh, AFII?

Can a Mod move this to the Saint Mike is back thread please

I created that one so it wouldn't be a lot of other Owen threads

[Diego]

Broken dreams...

[tomasjj]

Where did you see that?

Get with the program, mate.

[AFII]

I don't like the way he left but it's down to our board to sell a player if he doesn't sign a new deal.

Rafa is a lot more intelligent than Houllier so he understand easy things like that. He looked at the situation and decided to sell him something that Houllier didn't do.

I have said that all the time. Both Owen and our board could have done their work better than they did. Owen should have signed a new deal and our board should have sold him a year earlier if he had refused to sign.

Owen used our weak board but that isn't to difficult. Our board at that time wasn't exactly any good, just look at the Macca situation for example.

If a board do what they should do then the Owen situation would never happen.


If he comes back then it will be because Rafa want him back and that he believes Owen would make our team better.

I don't think Rafa will sign him because he can't afford to take a risk with a player that have been out injured 16 months.

[Craig_H]

I think it's naive not to expect other supporters to show bitterness and resentment about the way he left Liverpool, and then subsequently did not return.
It doesn't mean you have to agree with it, but surely it's understandable?

Honestly? Yes, it's understandable that some supporters would be like this.

I do, however, find it very immature and petty, to be brutally honest.

They in turn dont have to agree with me on this, obviously.

[Maestro]

Rush never had this when he went to Juve...

That was a completely different footballing era.
Rush left Liverpool in 1987 to go to Juve - a few years before the advent of the Premiership and the megabucks that accompanied it.
In those days, footballers had to get real jobs once their career finished, because the money they made from football would not sustain them for the rest of their lives. Rushy was given an opportunity to earn some cash to provide for his family. Comparing his transfer to Owen's to Madrid is folly.

Honestly? Yes, it's understandable that some supporters would be like this.

I do, however, find it very immature and petty, to be brutally honest.

They in turn dont have to agree with me on this, obviously.

Why is it immature and petty?
The beef people have with Michael Owen is that he was deceitful and disloyal.
What is immature or petty in wanting the players who represent your club (many people's heroes) to be honest and loyal?
Supporters want to identify with the players and many cannot identify Owen. Therein lies the rub.

[Diego]

I don't like the way he left but it's down to our board to sell a player if he doesn't sign a new deal.

Rafa is a lot more intelligent than Houllier so he understand easy things like that. He looked at the situation and decided to sell him something that Houllier didn't do.

I have said that all the time. Both Owen and our board could have done their work better than they did. Owen should have signed a new deal and our board should have sold him a year earlier if he had refused to sign.

Owen used our weak board but that isn't to difficult. Our board at that time wasn't exactly any good, just look at the Macca situation for example.

If a board do what they should do then the Owen situation would never happen.


If he comes back then it will be because Rafa want him back and that he believes Owen would make our team better.

I don't think Rafa will sign him because he can't afford to take a risk with a player that have been out injured 16 months.

the board made the decision, maybe if rafa had begged them to change their minds they might have. but parry came out and said that the club would never make the same mistake they did about macca, if a player doesn't want to sing a deal with 2 years left of his contract they will be sold. i realize that he was sold with only one year left of his contract, that was du to the fact of him having assured people that he would, we won't make the same mistake again...

[Craig_H]

That was a completely different footballing era.
Rush left Liverpool in 1987 to go to Juve - a few years before the advent of the Premiership and the megabucks that accompanied it.
In those days, footballers had to get real jobs once their career finished, because the money they made from football would not sustain them for the rest of their lives. Rushy was given an opportunity to earn some cash to provide for his family. Comparing his transfer to Owen's to Madrid is folly.




Why is it immature and petty?
The beef people have with Michael Owen is that he was deceitful and disloyal.
What is immature or petty in wanting the players who represent your club (many people's heroes) to be honest and loyal?
Supporters want to identify with the players and many cannot identify Owen. Therein lies the rub.

The expressions 'thats football' and 'get over it' come to mind...

Loyalty in football is the rarest of commodities in this day and age, sadly.

[Diego]

The expressions 'thats football' and 'get over it' come to mind...

Loyalty in football is the rarest of commodities in this day and age, sadly.

when somebody says that he loves you and that he won't leave you only to do exactly the opposite. i have no problem with people leaving the club, it was the manner that he did it. i thank him for what he did for us but he has no place in my heart, lost all respect for him and don't give a **** what happens to him good or bad.

[Craig_H]

when somebody says that he loves you and that he won't leave you only to do exactly the opposite. i have no problem with people leaving the club, it was the manner that he did it. i thank him for what he did for us but he has no place in my heart, lost all respect for him and don't give a **** what happens to him good or bad.

Point being, he never categorically stated that he wouldnt leave...

Still seems lost on a few people, that one...

[Diego]

Point being, he never categorically stated that he wouldnt leave...

Still seems lost on a few people, that one...

for two years he said that he was going to sign the contract, that to me is telling people he would stay.

[Rocket]

he had his chance to play for Liverpool, he was even lucky enough to be given a second chance, now he's at Newcastle. i hope he's happy with himself