Tevez and mascherano to west ham??

[MrMichael]

Diego - do you think Tevez will settle into English footy quickly or not? I've heard that South American footy correspondant on BBC radio 5, Tim Vickery, talking about him quite a bit, and remember him saying that he thought Tevez "back-to-goal and turn" style might take some time to adapt over here.

IMO Mascherano will settle far quicker....

[Bob]

Tim Vickery talks a lot of sense - however what will help Tevez where other have struggled is the fact he's so tenacious and strong. Oh, and he's ****ing brilliant!

There will be a natural bedding in period though so it's a wise move on Chelsea's part

[Diego]

no you did not say tha, you ****ing ****

they are just verry pasionet players both of them, who come from a different bacground of football...

crespo is not a diver, crespo is the ****!!!! i love how he turned his back on chelski just cause his heart told him so, he celabrates every goal as if he was winning the league something henry might want to adobt, and has a fantastic bond with the supporters of every club he has been at, and he's one of the best finishers in football...

TEVEZ, i know you did not just say that about him, emem no you didn't...
he trips over the ball occasionally, and gets a freekick wich he then scores from occasionally, he's no more diver than any other latin player but he will change...

[Bob]

no you did not say tha, you ****ing ****

they are just verry pasionet players both of them, who come from a cheating, lying, lowlife bacground of football...

crespo is not a diver, crespo is the ****!!!! i love how he turned his back on chelski just cause his heart told him so, he celabrates every goal as if he was winning the league something henry might want to adobt, and has a fantastic bond with the supporters of every club he has been at, and he's one of the best finishers in football...

TEVEZ, i know you did not just say that about him, emem no you didn't...
he trips over the ball occasionally, and gets a freekick wich he then scores from occasionally, he's no more diver than any other latin player but he will change...

I actually never mentioned diving, but know you mention it...

Anyhows, another patriotic blind - When are LFC gonna sign Healy so i can draw parallels with Pele

[lfc4ever]

Here's a good (but long) piece on the links between MSI & Roman.

http://stateofthegame.co.uk/2006/01/20/the-long-arm-of-the-lawless/

The Long Arm Of The Lawless
January 20th, 2006 by Alan Hylands

It's been a little over a year since London based businessman Kia
Joorabchian astounded Brazilian football by paying a record $22m to prise
Argentine superstar Carlos Tevez away from Boca Juniors and into the waiting
clutches of Sao Paulo's best supported football club, Corinthians. Having
bought the club and pumped in $35m (not including the "present" of Tevez)
through Media Sports Investment, the investment group he headed, Joorabchian
had made an instant name for himself in a country which was more used to
bankrupt clubs and selling it's biggest stars to Europe than signing the
most exciting young prospect from their deadly South American neighbour's
own top club side.


It didn't take long for the comparisons to Roman Abramovich to spring up in
the media, both being 30 something year olds with no previous football
experience who had bought up big clubs in foreign countries and immediately
splashed the cash on record transfers amid promises of making their teams
the best on their respective continents. For some however the comparisons
aren't enough and the rumours that Joorabchian's investors are headed by
Abramovich himself just won't go away. Spanish newspaper As in fact claimed
at the time of the Tevez purchase that Abramovich holds a 15% share of Media
Sports Investment and is using the front of Joorabchian to make his move
into the virtually untapped Latin American football market.


Roman Abramovich's old friend and exiled oligarch Boris Berezovsky is
another Russian billionaire with reputed links to the shadowy MSI group
which is based in an accountancy firm's offices in London and whose
membership Kia Joorabchian is going to great lengths to keep secret. He has
denied any links with Chelsea FC and also said that his only dealings with
Berezovsky in the past have been the sale of an 85% stake in the Moscow
newspaper Kommersant to a group in which Berezovsky had a financial interest
although he has lately admitted that he and Boris Berezovsky were in fact
good friends. The alleged involvement of the two Russians has led to many
rumours of potential money laundering and with MSI having pumped $50m into
Corinthians to buy overseas players in the first six months they were in
charge, it is certainly a cause for concern.

Brazilian football with it's much vaunted financial problems has long been
prone to corruption and a "bung" culture amongst it's clubs and federations
and with the history Mssrs Abramovich and Berezovsky bring from their days
acquiring privatized Russian state companies with the help of former Russian
President Boris Yeltsin it is understandable that long term supporters of
Corinthians and Brazilian football watchers alike would be getting nervous.

In January 2005, the Brazilian government told Joorbachian that he didn't
actually have the necessary paper work to do business in Brazil. MSI quickly
reacted by putting Corinthians vice president Paulo Angioni on their board
giving him the title 'Director of MSI Brazil'.


Given the allegations flying around, Brazil's anti-organised crime task
force summoned a confused Angioni to answer the allegations and to prove
once and for all where the money was coming from. In a bizarre 4 hour
testimony Angioni disclosed little in the way of information. "He didn't
help in any way, shape or form" said District Attorney Jose Carneiro. "He
displayed a complete ignorance of both his precise role in the company and
the workings of an investments fund". "There are certain indications of
money-laundering, but also a lot is still to be investigated.I can't give a
deadline for closing this case".

The question of where the money is coming from is obviously beyond even the
Corinthians vice president who has been stood up as a puppet for Kia
Joorabchian. With more questions than answers and a continued denial of
collusion with the Russians from Joorabchian we appear to be no closer to
finding out the real truth behind the Corinthians windfall and the identity
of their backers.

If the Russian pair are involved it may be more likely that they are more
interested in putting some geographic distance between their multi-billion
dollar fortunes and Russia before the winds of political change lead to them
becoming the next Mikhail Khodorkovsky and political pawn of the Kremlin.
Maybe Joorabchian is completely free of any such skeletons in his investment
closet and is merely trying to turn a well supported but financially poor
Brazilian team into the next Real Madrid with a large influx of transfer
capital in the hope of financially exploiting the fanatical Brazilian
fanbase? Maybe.


One thing is for certain and it's an undeniable fact shared by both Roman
Abramovich's Chelsea and Kia Joorabchian's Corinthians. Money can buy you
any trinket you desire as last season both clubs won their respective
leagues. What is not clear however is how much of a pawn, in a much shadier
game than football, both famous old clubs have become by selling their souls
to foreign investors.

[Diego]

Diego - do you think Tevez will settle into English footy quickly or not? I've heard that South American footy correspondant on BBC radio 5, Tim Vickery, talking about him quite a bit, and remember him saying that he thought Tevez "back-to-goal and turn" style might take some time to adapt over here.

IMO Mascherano will settle far quicker....

i actually think it wil take longer for mascerano to adapt, i just have a feeling he's not ready for the midfield sweep in england, he would have no problem with spain but this could be a problem at first for mascherano, but he's hard as **** and that will get him through it, and once he has adapted the english style i think he'll be a better player for argentina...

i think tevez will adopt quicker, you saw how quick d'alisandro was to make his mark amd help portsmouth out of relegation, and tevez is twice the player he is, my only concern is that he is not a one man team, he likes his one-two with his team mates, likes to pass the ball, likes to run with out it, so the lack of quality players in west ham might be his biggest problem, but i have no doubt he will, kick ass tough, might take a few games but no more, come christmas and evey one will be begging for him...

[Rich]

Where is D'Alessandro now? Still at Portsmouth, or has he gone back to Wolfsburg or wherever?!?

[Diego]

Where is D'Alessandro now? Still at Portsmouth, or has he gone back to Wolfsburg or wherever?!?

no, he's a bitch, went to Zaragoza dont know why he could have come greate for portsmouth, but recon english football was to different for him...

[Rich]

D'Alessandro the bitch, I like it!

[Diego]

D'Alessandro the bitch, I like it!

i actually had high hope for him, heard of him befor he went to wolfsburg, though he was just pulling a ronaldinho, go to a small club to adjust to europe, then he turned out to be a ****, attitude problems with the manager, money hungry ho, witch spent to much time in germany cause he didn't show his worth, he did how ever show some of it with portsmouth...

[bazza76]

I can't effing believe this. Tevez will rip the Premiership apart!

He has never played in the EPL before, and he wont be better than Rooney IMO. He will be good, but not that good.

[paulcooper4]

He has never played in the EPL before, and he wont be better than Rooney IMO. He will be good, but not that good.

Think he will be good in flashes. He would need to improve his fitness to be a star on a regular basis. hes a right fat ****, seen the tits on him. Got the potential to be the best in the world in my opinion though. Not at west ****ing ham though

[Nic83]

Chelsea conspiracy

There are rumours in the grapevine that chelski are involved in the Tevez and Masherano deal.Supposedely they are being loaned to west ham to see how they adjust to the premiership.

There may be an investigation getting under way.

Up to their old tricks again.

[bazza76]

Think he will be good in flashes. He would need to improve his fitness to be a star on a regular basis. hes a right fat ****, seen the tits on him. Got the potential to be the best in the world in my opinion though. Not at west ****ing ham though

Would agree with that.
Could never see him bettering Rooney in the EPL though, regardless of what club he joins, would absolutely hate to see him joining Man USA

[Pacman]

There are rumours in the grapevine that chelski are involved in the Tevez and Masherano deal.Supposedely they are being loaned to west ham to see how they adjust to the premiership.

There may be an investigation getting under way.

Up to their old tricks again.

No shock there then.