Standing or sitting at matches.......??

[JRG]

Standing on the Kop was an experience i'll never forget, and I would like to see standing in certain areas. However ther seem to be more dickheads at the game thses days and i'm not sure that they could be relied upon not to do something stupid.

I think standing helps create a better atmosphere.

[Tinkerbitch]

No but if people had been sat down there wouldn't have been a crush would there?

Yep there still would have been a crush as too many people were directed into one area and there's no turnstile - sounds like Athens doesn't it? The crush might have occurred elsewhere, in the tunnels, the steps etc, but once that many people are herded into one place there's going to be a crush. The standing made the scale of the crush worse it didn't cause it.

[Red_hot]

The standing made the scale of the crush worse it didn't cause it.

Surely then that's reason enough not to have standing again then?

[Tinkerbitch]

Surely then that's reason enough not to have standing again then?

I don't think so, because the other measures that have been put in place such as stewarding gates, more efficient turnstile systems and most importantly a cultural shift that all football fans aren't demented hooligans have made it safer anyway.
Hillsborough was caused by a terrible decision taken by a man who had attended a 10 minute safety briefing and panickedand opened a gate letting too many people flood into one area. Standing or seated that was always going to end on tragedy.

I personally feel quite trapped in seats if there's any trouble, it's much harder to move away.

[Pacman]

Standing on the Kop will be something that will live with me forever an absolutely unbelievable experience.

I'd love to get back to them days but sadly I think there are too many dickheads about these days and safety has to come first.

[Parm]

Standing works fine in Germany, so there's proof it can easily work safely.

There's always a risk, but there's risk of things going wrong with seating too.

There was a chap from Weder Breman being interviewed on SSN yesterday and he was saying standing sections had worked very well in Germany and they hadnt had any problems with safety. Whether it could translate as well over here is another matter.

[ronan]

for those that are interested in this
hwew is a few things you might find interesting to read

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/safestanding/0,8221,441632,00.html

http://images.google.ie/imgres?imgurl=http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42692000/jpg/_42692677_bremen203.jpg&imgrefurl=http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/6458843.stm&h=152&w=203&sz=14&hl=en&start=40&um=1&tbnid=2feX4m-aXXR_-M:&tbnh=79&tbnw=105&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dsafe%2Bstanding%2Barea%2Bfootball%26start%3D20%26ndsp%3D20%26svnum%3D10%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN

in my own opinion i think we should have something along the likes of dortmunds or schalke 4's stadium where they have one end all standing and the rest is seated.
this pic of werder bremens standing area is the one that crops up again and again and shows how it could be done with barriers between every row

[Parm]

for those that are interested in this
hwew is a few things you might find interesting to read

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/safestanding/0,8221,441632,00.html

http://images.google.ie/imgres?imgurl=http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42692000/jpg/_42692677_bremen203.jpg&imgrefurl=http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/6458843.stm&h=152&w=203&sz=14&hl=en&start=40&um=1&tbnid=2feX4m-aXXR_-M:&tbnh=79&tbnw=105&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dsafe%2Bstanding%2Barea%2Bfootball%26start%3D20%26ndsp%3D20%26svnum%3D10%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN

in my own opinion i think we should have something along the likes of dortmunds or schalke 4's stadium where they have one end all standing and the rest is seated.
this pic of werder bremens standing area is the one that crops up again and again and shows how it could be done with barriers between every row

yup thats what the fella said, something about the barriers but having flip up seats as well.