Cristiano Ronaldo v David Beckham

[kemm1]

Now let me start of by the saying the usual, C Ronaldo is a soft scumbag bag, blah blah blah ............. but he's a world class footballer, end of.

But what I want to ask is when C Ronaldo just got here as a teenager all the media, pundits and fans were comparing him to Beckham in his prime and they said he had: "no end product", "a one trick pony", "can't use his left foot", "will never be good as Beckahm" etc. These people included people such as Hansen who picked on Ronaldo religiously every week.

Now it is quite clear that Ronaldo can do everything that Beckham can do - crosses, freekicks and passing - PLUS he can dribble, score goals, use his left or right foot effectively; the complete attacking footballer.

So three questions:

1. Why have the comparisons stopped? Media bias or hypocracy?
2. When Beckham was in his prime was he even half the player that C Ronald is now?
3. Does this prove that it was a farce to compare a Beckham in his prime to a Figo is his prime seeing that Figo used to do what C Ronaldo is doing now?

Please don't come with the same old excuse of 'different type of player', because C Ronaldo IS Beckham's replacement.

[Dalglish]

ronaldo is ten times the player Beckham was

[cled the red]

ronaldo is ten times the player Beckham was

[-V-]

The media dont bother comparing them because Ronaldo is as said above 10 times better than Beckham ever was. He is a 1 man show at the moment and everybody knows it.

[Jayesh87]

Imagine Ronaldo playing in Kuyts position, we'd be unbeatable

[simey85]

as a footballer ronaldo is far better, but i don't know why everyone bangs on about his free kicks. He has only scored 3 or 4 this season most of them hit the wall! Both overhyped pretty boys anyway!

[jonesie]

This is a good read. All about how dependant United are on Ronaldo. There's an especially interesting bit about how much more of a show off Rooney is than Ronaldo.

http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/sport/2008/03/19/ronaldos_brilliance_masks_unit.html

Ronaldo's brilliance masks United's problems

A combination of conservative tactics and poor forward play could yet cost United dearly
Paul Doyle
March 19, 2008 9:55 PM

Manchester United may have gone three points clear at the top of the table and been boosted by Chelsea's failure to beat Spurs, but they are still far from certain to be champions of England, let alone of Europe.

Many big games await Sir Alex Ferguson's men and each will present challenges that they have previously failed. There's the forthcoming clashes with Liverpool, Arsenal, Roma and Chelsea, of course. But the trips to Blackburn, where United have lost in three of the last five seasons, and to Middlesbrough, the most perverse team in the country in that no matter how deep the rut they appear to be in they're always apt to upset the big four, will also be seriously hazardous - remember how impotent United looked when flopping at humdrum sides such as Manchester City, West Ham and, of course, Bolton earlier in this campaign? And the last-day-of-the-season trip to Wigan's bog promises to be just as unpleasant.

Why have United at times looked feeble away to beefy and well-drilled underdogs? For the same reason that Bolton controlled much of the play tonight - ie because United's midfield often struggles to assert itself. Darren Fletcher is patently not part of the manager's first-choice central pairing, but Anderson might be and he was bypassed for long periods tonight.

It will be fascinating to see who Ferguson fields in the centre against Liverpool on Sunday and in the remaining major matches this season. The choice isn't obvious. Paul Scholes' influence has inevitably waned as his mobility has declined. Owen Hargreaves has been hampered by injury and frequently looked less than fully fit (presumably the decision to deploy him at right-back tonight was designed to give him a relatively easy work-out ahead of the bigger games in store). Michael Carrick's passing often compensates for his relative lack of dynamism but, like the other options, he rarely offers a goal threat: while Steven Gerrard, Cesc Fabregas and Frank Lampard bang in the goals elsewhere, United's five central midfielders have between them mustered three league goals this season.

Few would expect those players to score more. Few goals from central midfield is, then, part of the manager's plan. Their job is exclusively to feed the forwards. The problem is United's forward are not reliable.

Wayne Rooney has been particularly profligate, and in particularly unforgivable fashion. He has exquisite skills, instinctive ingenuity and natural warrior spirit; but that instinct has become infected and his spirit soiled - the result is awful finishing. The wonky shooting could be borne of sloppiness. But his demeanour, the creeping strut in his game, suggest something even less excusable - a penchant for the stupidly ostentatious. It seems he overcomplicates things not because of an idealistic, Arsenalesque commitment to artistic purity, but because of a grubby lust to inflate the hype around him, to soup up his image. The botched lobs at home to Newcastle or the foiled attempts to saunter into the net with the ball during the Cup defeat by Portsmouth suggested that to him a clear sight of the net is not so much a chance to score a goal as an opportunity to fatten his reputation. Ronaldo, for one, is much more focused; much less arrogant. The irony, then, is that Rooney's lack of humility accounts for his modest goal tally this season.

Industrious Carlos Tevez's focus doesn't look blurred. His aim and touch just seem to be unsure, as was evident as early as the eighth minute tonight when he chested down a ball six yards from goal then swiped at fresh air. The coolness that Rooney radiates when at his best is a quality bestowed on a chosen few - and Tevez isn't one of them. Louis Saha is a far sharper striker. When fully fit. But when, and for how long, will that be?

Out wide Nani is, understandably, immature. The 21-year-old's decision-making on the ball needs fine-tuning (witness his choice to shoot from 30 yards in the 83rd of tonight's game when he had two team-mates in far better positions) and his propensity to disappear for long periods in games, such as tonight's, is another symptom of his youth.

The upshot of all this, as was demonstrated again tonight, is that defensively solid United are over-reliant for goals on Ronaldo, whose brilliance has regularly rescued them this season, masking the shortcomings of both the manager and some of his team-mates. Twenty-four league goals so far represents a stupendous return for the Portuguese; if he were to get injured or suspended or simply have a couple of off-days during the run-in, however, a more pertinent statistic may be his number of league assists - a paltry three, which shows how often his team-mates have spurned the chances he's created for them.

United have spoken much recently of how their experience could help them in the run-in. But the fact is attitude adjustment is needed at Old Trafford. Not least from Ferguson, whose passive formations against the big teams, particularly away in the Champions League, and apparent tolerance of slackness up front, encourage a Ronaldo-dependency that could yet sabotage their quest for trophies.

[Joe King]

Its a good read and possibly Benitez can pick upon the fact that you only need to stop Ronaldo to stop the flow of United. We also got be very wary of set pieces, over the past couple of seasons we have been undone big time.

For me, their defence is just too strong and they can really catch us with a sucker punch as games over the past seasons have shown.

[Darth Marty]

Arbeloa will mark that diving cunt out of the game.
Anyone fancy Beckham on a free for a year or two? (theres talk hes gonna buy out his contract)....in my opinion hes still better than what we have!

[Parm]

Imagine Ronaldo playing in Kuyts position, we'd be unbeatable

amazingly that was the same thought I had this morning, our system would be perfect for Ronaldo.

As for Beckham/Ronaldo- Beckham was a very good player almost world class for all of 15mins in 2001 but then after that so so

[kemm1]

ronaldo is ten times the player Beckham was

[kemm1]

as a footballer ronaldo is far better, but i don't know why everyone bangs on about his free kicks. He has only scored 3 or 4 this season most of them hit the wall! Both overhyped pretty boys anyway!

I'm not a stats man, but I'm sure Beckham only scored about 3 to 4 a season himself. In fact when Beckham was around the best freekick taker in the League was Ian Harte.

[kemm1]

Arbeloa will mark that diving cunt out of the game.
Anyone fancy Beckham on a free for a year or two? (theres talk hes gonna buy out his contract)....in my opinion hes still better than what we have!

No ****ing way!

[kemm1]

amazingly that was the same thought I had this morning, our system would be perfect for Ronaldo.

As for Beckham/Ronaldo- Beckham was a very good player almost world class for all of 15mins in 2001 but then after that so so

Ronaldo can play in any system, but I get what you mean.

Ronaldo would be perfect fit for us though but there options out there who may not be as good as him but could still improve us tremeandously.

[dww]

Its a good read and possibly Benitez can pick upon the fact that you only need to stop Ronaldo to stop the flow of United. We also got be very wary of set pieces, over the past couple of seasons we have been undone big time.

For me, their defence is just too strong and they can really catch us with a sucker punch as games over the past seasons have shown.

I think the thing is that it is against the likes of us that Uniteds system works best in some ways. The midfield and defense are slod and provide a base from which the front 4 can attack mostly at will. Despite the fact that Rooney and Tevez don't score bucket loads they are always capable of scoring even against the best sides IMO. I don't think it is fair to describe it as a sucker punch as they will probably be right in the game fighting and have as much possession as we will.

In the braoder picture I think that Tevez and Rooney as a partnership isn't working. Neither of them lead the line well enough and as a consequence the other forward never gets the space that Ronney used to enjoy when Sahs played. If they added a nippy forward with decent intelligence (even one of less than stellar quality) I think they would be a truly exceptional side. We need to take advantage of the fact that they are not and that they haven't got the invincible team swagger that they have in previous seasons.