Am I the only one ...

[Guest]

Who wants France to be on the receiving end of a good stonking tonight ?

Hopefully Holland will play their part and dump both out too.

[JohnDoe]

Italy to win 4-0 and Romania to sneak a last minute winner.

[EwarWoo]

Who wants France to be on the receiving end of a good stonking tonight ?

Hopefully Holland will play their part and dump both out too.

Nah, I want a draw.

That way they'll both go out unless Romania get a complete and utter spanking.

[Gingawaria]

So what happens if France and Italy draw and Holland beat Romania? It's on head to head results isn't it? That'll mean Holland'll be on 9 points and the others will be on 2 points each, as they would have all drawn with eachother. Does it go on Goal difference after that?

[Slim]

I hope France get stuffed. Can't stand them.

[Slim]

So what happens if France and Italy draw and Holland beat Romania? It's on head to head results isn't it? That'll mean Holland'll be on 9 points and the others will be on 2 points each, as they would have all drawn with eachother. Does it go on Goal difference after that?

Pick the bones out this lot:

Italy and France face the unprecedented prospect of a penalty shoot-out to determine who finishes third in Group C if the two sides crash out on Tuesday.

World champions Italy and France face each other in the final Group C match with both almost certainly needing a win if they are to make the last eight.

But if Romania beat Holland, ending the pair's progress hopes, a draw would not separate the teams in the standings.

Therefore, a shoot-out would be played even though both sides would be out.

It would be the first time in tournament history two teams who have been eliminated from a competition would have to play out a penalty shoot-out for the purposes of determing future co-efficient points.

The co-efficient can affect a team's seeding for future international tournaments.

However, it is just one potential scenario in a whole host of permutations from the final round of matches in Group C.

Here, BBC Sport details what could happen...


GROUP C PERMUTATIONS
The Netherlands have won Group C and will play the Group D runners-up in the quarter-finals.

Romania will qualify for the quarter-finals if they beat the Netherlands, eliminating France and Italy.

If Romania fail to beat the Netherlands, the winner of France v Italy will go through.

If France and Italy draw, a point against the Netherlands would be enough to send Romania through. France must win to have any chance of qualifying.

If France and Italy share a score draw (1-1, 2-2, 3-3 etc), Italy will go through if Romania lose (by any score). In this scenario, Italy, Romania and France will be level on two points each but Italy would have scored more goals in games between the 3 teams.

Romania will finish bottom of the group if they lose and France and Italy draw 2-2, 3-3 or 4-4. France will finish bottom if they draw 1-1 unless Romania lose 3-0 or by a four-goal margin.


If France and Italy draw 0-0, Romania can lose by one goal, two goals or by a three-goal margin other than 3-0 but still qualify. In this scenario, Italy and Romania would have identical head-to-head records, but Romania would have better goal difference in ALL group matches or, in the case of the three-goal defeats, goals scored. France would finish bottom, having scored fewer goals head-to-head v Italy and Romania.

If Romania lose 3-0 to the Dutch, Italy would qualify with a 0-0 draw against France because of their superior coefficient points. France would finish bottom as they would have scored fewer goals head-to-head v Italy and Romania.

If Romania lose by four goals or more and the other game ends 0-0, Italy would proceed with a better overall goal difference than Romania. France would finish bottom as they would have scored fewer goals head-to-head v Italy and Romania.

If France and Italy draw AND Romania avoid defeat, then Romania go through. France and Italy will have identical records and a unprecedented penalty shoot-out will decide who finishes third and fourth.

[fah-q]

****ing hell thats complicated

[EwarWoo]

Bladdy hell. So I guess it's not as simple as goal difference then. Lol.

[TheStig]

Being half French I'd like you all to piss off.



Domenech is an idiot though, I don't think France will go through.

[-V-]

Indeed, Domenech is a complete tool. However i hope France smash Italy tonight. Probably won't happen though.

[Shaggy]

I can't stand both France and Italy so I hope they continue to bore everyone to death and draw while Romania beat the Dutch. Want them both out.

[Pacman]

Being half French I'd like you all to piss off.



Domenech is an idiot though, I don't think France will go through.

So you're half french half English?

Does that mean your breath stinks and you're **** in bed?

[Neil Young]

I'd like to see France get walloped. At least it would make good telly.

Other than that I don't mind what happens in the competition as long as the most entertaining sides go through and we get some good games. By those standards the idea of Romania playing any more games than is strictly necessary is almost unthinkable. Still maybe they'll play the Dutch off the park tonight in an open and exciting game. I doubt it though.

[Shaggy]

Romania were extremely dull against France but they more than matched Italy in terms of both quality and entertainment.....'IMO'.

[Neil Young]

Yes I think that's true. I do feel Romania need to be docked "entertainment points" for that first game though.

Like I said I really don't mind what happens as long as we get to see some good games and of course some amusing results (like France losing 7-0 and Germany getting knocked out by Austria ).