tottingham hotspurs racists

[focusedonfootball]

Robbie Keane lived in Winchmore Hill. 2 miles away. Never got broken into mind.

[Helios Creed]

from today's Fiver

Here's a stat for you, Serhiy. Rate of people convicted of crime in Ukraine, according to latest United Nations Survey on Crime Trends: 466.47 per 100,000 inhabitants. Comparative rate for Zambia, home to lots of dark-skinned people: 0.97 per 100,000.

According to Serhiy's judgement, you'd think the Ukraine would be lower, wouldn't you?

[Dhav]

Robbie Keane lived in Winchmore Hill. 2 miles away. Never got broken into mind.

Really? Whereabouts? I live in Winchmore Hill, much nicer area than Tottenham! The Redknapps apparently live round the corner. Never seen either them or Keane about the place.

Where are you based mate?

[El Diego]

Shocking comments but he's right about how dodgy it is. I used to go and visit a mate there and I often found myself walking the streets at night - possibly the scariest place I've seen in Britain.

Mate you haven't been around canning town or peckham then?

[zimbo]

He's spot on. You lot seem to agree but are saying he shouldn't have said it.

He has every right. There are no particular 'racist' comments there.

Racism is about hating people because of the colour of their skin. In saying 'naturally the crime rate will be higher' he is correct. Figures bear it out. It doesn't mean he hates them, but is pointing out the fact it is a terribly deprived area.

So why doesn't he say "It's a terribly deprived area, therefore the crime rate is higher" instead of implying that the only possible reason for the greater incidence of crime is the presence of "dark skinned people"?

Racism isn't solely about hating people of a different racial group; it's about believing that one race is inherently superior to another and using this belief to fuel prejudice. If the remarks have been translated correctly (which I would expect Rebrov to deny, given they make him appear an immense tool), he couldn't be any more racist if he put on 10 stone and called himself Bernard.

[Chrono]

Mate you haven't been around canning town or peckham then?

Having spent time in all three areas Tottenham is no nicer than the other two.

[EwarWoo]

All crime figures do tend to show an higher crime rate from black young men than any other section of society.
His phrasing is very unfortunate, but he is right, where you find young black men congregating statistically there is more likely to be crime, particularly street robbery.
Sure, it's not nice, and possibly a lot more of a reflection of how young black men are treated in our society than a reflection on their value, but all that doesn't make it any less true.
So how can it be racist if he's stating fact?

[BFG]

So why doesn't he say "It's a terribly deprived area, therefore the crime rate is higher" instead of implying that the only possible reason for the greater incidence of crime is the presence of "dark skinned people"?

Racism isn't solely about hating people of a different racial group; it's about believing that one race is inherently superior to another and using this belief to fuel prejudice. If the remarks have been translated correctly (which I would expect Rebrov to deny, given they make him appear an immense tool), he couldn't be any more racist if he put on 10 stone and called himself Bernard.

Too ****ing right. How anyone could defend comments like that is unbelievable. The quote says that the crime rate is higher because the people aren't white. That's pretty clear cut racist bul****.

There is a difference in saying an area has a lot of crime (which most people would agree with) and saying that's an inevitability because of the race of the people living there.

[BFG]

All crime figures do tend to show an higher crime rate from black young men than any other section of society.
His phrasing is very unfortunate, but he is right, where you find young black men congregating statistically there is more likely to be crime, particularly street robbery.
Sure, it's not nice, and possibly a lot more of a reflection of how young black men are treated in our society than a reflection on their value, but all that doesn't make it any less true.
So how can it be racist if he's stating fact?

He's saying that dark skinned people living somewhere means that the crime rate will be higher there. That's not fact, it's racism.

IF a higher proportion of young black men are being prosecuted for crime it doesn't necessarily mean that they are committing more.

Do you know how much more likely you are to be searched as a young black man compared to white? Put it this way I live in a multi cultural area and am good mates with two black lads who both live within a mile. They've both been randomly searched by police on numerous occasions, and because they were in posession of cannabis they have criminal records. I walk around the same areas as them with weed on me too but have never been stopped by the police once. That is only my personal experience and I don't claim that it is representative of everywhere in the UK (or even my locality) but it is very worrying.

There are many contributing factors to the issue you've brought up and they're not as black and white as black men commit more crime. There is a lot of poverty among black communites, less opportunities etc etc. Far too much to discuss here but Rebrov is bang out of order if he's said that.

[Shaggy]

He's saying that dark skinned people living somewhere means that the crime rate will be higher there. That's not fact, it's racism.

IF a higher proportion of young black men are being prosecuted for crime it doesn't necessarily mean that they are committing more.

Do you know how much more likely you are to be searched as a young black man compared to white? Put it this way I live in a multi cultural area and am good mates with two black lads who both live within a mile. They've both been randomly searched by police on numerous occasions, and because they were in posession of cannabis they have criminal records. I walk around the same areas as them with weed on me too but have never been stopped by the police once. That is only my personal experience and I don't claim that it is representative of everywhere in the UK (or even my locality) but it is very worrying.

There are many contributing factors to the issue you've brought up and they're not as black and white as black men commit more crime. There is a lot of poverty among black communites, less opportunities etc etc. Far too much to discuss here but Rebrov is bang out of order if he's said that.

[Helios Creed]

All crime figures do tend to show an higher crime rate from black young men than any other section of society.
His phrasing is very unfortunate, but he is right, where you find young black men congregating statistically there is more likely to be crime, particularly street robbery.
Sure, it's not nice, and possibly a lot more of a reflection of how young black men are treated in our society than a reflection on their value, but all that doesn't make it any less true.
So how can it be racist if he's stating fact?

Actually figures show higher crime rates in poor urban areas and a greater proportion of the black population live in such areas than do the white.

Poor, white, urban areas also have high levels of crime, but proportionally less of the white population live in them. It's the poverty that is the common factor and the cause.

Also to use the level of black people as an indicator of high crime is the same as saying that if you're in a rough white area, then you're safe. It would be more useful, more accurate and less offensive to say that you need to watch out in rough areas, then you're not blaming it on a race rather than the neighbourhood.

[Sisterstiffticket]

So why doesn't he say "It's a terribly deprived area, therefore the crime rate is higher" instead of implying that the only possible reason for the greater incidence of crime is the presence of "dark skinned people"?

Racism isn't solely about hating people of a different racial group; it's about believing that one race is inherently superior to another and using this belief to fuel prejudice. If the remarks have been translated correctly (which I would expect Rebrov to deny, given they make him appear an immense tool), he couldn't be any more racist if he put on 10 stone and called himself Bernard.

Don't be such a wetwang!

Don't stick your head up your arses because you think you may be seen as a racist. Years ago, statistics showed in London that most street muggings were by black kids. Not all black kids are street muggers. Yes, some are actually white!

But, the copper was SACKED for saying it because dicks jumped on his back.

This meant the problem was ignored and swept under the carpet and things for black kids have NOT improved.

WHY?

Because people are so scared of being called racist, they don't want to see whats going on.

To my mind, if you ignore a problem or a fact you don't like because of someones race or skin tone, THEY are the racist. THEY are the ones showing discrimination.

And as I say, thanks to the attitude of people like that, NOTHING has changed.

[BFG]

Don't be such a ****ing wetwang!

Listen dipsticks. Don't stick your head up your arses because you think you may be seen as a ****ing racist. Years ago, statistics showed in London that most street muggings were by black kids. Not all black kids are street muggers. Yes, some are actually white!

But, the copper was SACKED for saying it because dicks like you jumped on his back.

This meant the problem was ignored and swept under the carpet and things for black kids have NOT improved.

WHY?

Because people are so ****ing scared of being called racist, they don't want to see whats going on.

To my mind, if you ignore a problem or a fact you don't like because of someones race or skin tone, YOU are the racist. YOU are the ones showing discrimination.

And as I say, thanks to the attitude of people like you, NOTHING has changed.

I'd suggest you refrain from insulting people mate, especially considering how stupid you're making yourself look with this thread. The quote says:

"A lot of dark-skinned people live there. So naturally the crime rate is higher than anywhere else."

That means that he believes the cime rate is higher because of the colour of people's skin, not poverty, not social deprevation, not lack of opportunity just that there's lots of dark skinned people there so it's inevitable there'll be more crime than if it were a mainly white area and that my friend is utter bull****.

If he were saying "it's a very poor area with a lot of black youth who get caught up in crime for these reasons ....." then no reasonable person would have a problem with that.

When he is basically saying that black people = crime, then anyone but a complete racist or internet hero trying to challenge some imaginary case of 'political correctness' would and should find that quite offensive.

You haven't really provided an argument but calling other posters names and I don't see where you're coming from at all. You say because we're scared of being called racists we don't see what's going on, well what the **** is going on in your opinion?

[Elvoz]

Don't be such a wetwang!

Don't stick your head up your arses because you think you may be seen as a racist. Years ago, statistics showed in London that most street muggings were by black kids. Not all black kids are street muggers. Yes, some are actually white!

But, the copper was SACKED for saying it because dicks jumped on his back.

This meant the problem was ignored and swept under the carpet and things for black kids have NOT improved.

WHY?

Because people are so scared of being called racist, they don't want to see whats going on.

To my mind, if you ignore a problem or a fact you don't like because of someones race or skin tone, THEY are the racist. THEY are the ones showing discrimination.

And as I say, thanks to the attitude of people like that, NOTHING has changed.

there certainly wasnt many " honkys" on crimewatch last night

[Vermilion]

there certainly wasnt many " honkys" on crimewatch last night

Hey... 'you white honkey you', haven't heard that since 'love thy neighbour' was on the tv. That show had the coloured gentleman always getting the better of his neighbour the daft white fella, it was so funny, although i must have been all of ooooh 9yrs old, or younger.

I remember when he got the white guy to dance around a tree at midnight naked, singing something like ....'onky wonky me white honky', to get rid of an African Voodo spell he though the guy had put on him.

No...surely i was older than 9yrs....no way was it that long ago...no waaayyyyyyyyy.