Sheff Utd 'win West Ham tribunal'

[BFG]

I think the 30 million pound compensation should be paid to Sheff Utd and the dickheads at the FA Premier league should have to pay it out of their billion pound TV pot

Nah the executive pension fund would be better.

[Red Chilli]

It does appear that the FA, for whatever reason, has cocked up big time. I don't buy into the favouritism or Cockney bias thing, I just think the FA as an institution is utterly incompetent with no real standard procedures in place for most disciplinary aspects of their role within football.

But to relegate West Ham, after more than a full season since the event is too stupid even for them to consider. In fact I think any retrospective punishment is totally unlawful when the governing body (the FA) has already taken a course of action and closed the matter. Any further sanctions should be against the FA and the individual idiots that presided over the whole affair.

Why don't you buy the favouritism thing? How else do you explain it? Oh, that's right, they cocked up this time but all the other times where they've deducted points for breaking the rules they got it right.
Come on, there's a clear precedent for deducting points for breaking the rules or even as Swindon Town found out, automatic relegation from 2 divisions.

I don't agree with rettrospective relegation, but I do thing the FA and West Ham are liable and should be punished retrospectively. How else do you punish something? Prospectively?

[BFG]

Why don't you buy the favouritism thing? How else do you explain it? Oh, that's right, they cocked up this time but all the other times where they've deducted points for breaking the rules they got it right.
Come on, there's a clear precedent for deducting points for breaking the rules or even as Swindon Town found out, automatic relegation from 2 divisions.

I don't agree with rettrospective relegation, but I do thing the FA and West Ham are liable and should be punished retrospectively. How else do you punish something? Prospectively?

You know what I meant you pedantic ****er.

There's a big differerence between a couple of months after the event and over a full season.

I however struggle to see this cockney bias you refer to, especially when the hardest hit of the clubs you used as examples is on London's doorstep.

[Skillz]

Who setup this panel? If it's the FA then surely West Ham could just take them to a real court of law and make them cough up the compo instead considering the fact it's their incompetence that has caused this situation?

Spot on. Will be funny to the FA/PL get the publicity they deserve ergo "what a bunch of incompetent bums" etc etc.

I will watch this closely because if WH pay and do not sue something is up big time.

[Skillz]

It's a complete joke how West Ham got away with this in the first place.

Swindon - relegated 2 divisions for financial irregularities.
Boro- fined 3 points for not postponing a game at short notice because half their squad had flu
Leeds- 15 point deduction for going into liquidation.
Luton Town - 30 point deduction this season

West Ham - a fine for cheating for half a season then lying to the Premier League when approached about it.

Typical cockney biased bull**** decision

That's a fairly convincing post.

Assuming I need convincing the FA/PL/FIFA/UEFA are ****ing useless, which I do not

Good post all the same.

[Skillz]

It does appear that the FA, for whatever reason, has cocked up big time. I don't buy into the favouritism or Cockney bias thing, I just think the FA as an institution is utterly incompetent with no real standard procedures in place for most disciplinary aspects of their role within football.

But to relegate West Ham, after more than a full season since the event is too stupid even for them to consider. In fact I think any retrospective punishment is totally unlawful when the governing body (the FA) has already taken a course of action and closed the matter. Any further sanctions should be against the FA and the individual idiots that presided over the whole affair.

Absolutely spot on. All of it.

[Red Chilli]

You know what I meant you pedantic ****er.

There's a big differerence between a couple of months after the event and over a full season.

I however struggle to see this cockney bias you refer to, especially when the hardest hit of the clubs you used as examples is on London's doorstep.

Is Swindon on London's doorstep?

Never occured to me that one

[Vermilion]

I wonder, does this now mean that the Sheffield players are entitled to compo...or are they due their bonuses for doing enough to keep Sheffield in the prem...bar someone cheating that is....loss of a Premiership wage week in week out, i mean this could open up all sorts of claims, if it's taken as given that Sheffield would have stayed up had the Hammers not broken the rules.

Remember the Hammers agreed to this tribunal...and all parties agreed absolutely to abide by what ever the tribunal decides.

[BFG]

Is Swindon on London's doorstep?

Never occured to me that one

No but Luton is and considering how pedantic you are I'm surprised you don't realise that Swindon were only relegated one division.

[Red Chilli]

No but Luton is and considering how pedantic you are I'm surprised you don't realise that Swindon were only relegated one division.

Really, so Swindon didn't win the playoffs that year meaning promotion to the premiership and then were relegated to the equivalent of what is now League 1?

That probably translates as more than a 30 point deduction although I'd need to reference the league tables to be sure


EDIT: Seems the original decision was reversed on appeal. My mistake, I didn't know of the appeal. If the original decision had stuck, it would have been a minimum 28 point deduction for Swindon as Bournemouth were relegated with 27 fewer points than Swindon.

I think it's arguable whether, letting a team win the playoffs to the premiership and then relegating them is worse than a start of season 30 point deduction. Personally I think it;s worse, at least Luton have a slim possibility of playing their way out of it whereas Swindon did play their way out of it and still got burned.

Either way, the charge still stands against the FA and it's London bias, only a London team has gotten away with what West Ham have.

[BFG]

Really, so Swindon didn't win the playoffs that year meaning promotion to the premiership and then were relegated to the equivalent of what is now League 1?

That probably translates as more than a 30 point deduction although I'd need to reference the league tables to be sure

I was referring to 1989 when they won the 2nd division playoffs but didn't get their promotion and had to stay in that league. What are you referring to you pedantic ****er.

Edit - You're talking about a year later but from what I can see they still just stayed in division two as it was then (The Championship now)

[Red Chilli]

I was referring to 1989 when they won the 2nd division playoffs but didn't get their promotion and had to stay in that league. What are you referring to you pedantic ****er.

See my edit

[BFG]

See my edit

Think we were busy editing at the same time mate.

[Red Chilli]

Think we were busy editing at the same time mate.

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[pedant] My edit was a clear 4 minutes before yours [/pedant]

[BFG]

[pedant] My edit was a clear 4 minutes before yours [/pedant]

But both were to correct your mistake. (hides)