Howard Webb

[Shanks]

If we'd won our games against Stoke, Hull and Fulham etc, there'd have been decisions made in the mancs games against us, Fulham etc to ensure they won.

Oh yeah, of course.

The fact is that we didn't win games we should have to put this title to bed.

I'm as frustrated as the next man but the Mancs were there for the taking this season.

Harry makes a change on 86 and 87 minutes, yet has a bench full of defenders/midfielders.
Why not close this up at 0-2?

[Red_Polo]

Why is it silly? Because it never happened? It happened in Italy and France.

This attitude of "no chance something like that happening here" is the only thing that's silly.

Did I say there was no chance? You're putting words inot my mouth.

What's silly is when people suddenly fervently believe so based on one ****e decision. It kind of gives the impression they're just pissed off not basing their thoughts on evidence don't you think? If people still think the league is rigged when the dust has settled and have evidence of how this is going on and what the motives are then it won't be silly any more.

Calling out individual refs as favouring certain teams off their own back is a different matter, and if you ask me it happens all the time.

[Guest]

Spot on. It's pre-determined and there's plenty of evidence.

The penalty given against Bolton at Old Toilet, for their defender playing the BALL? Not much difference to today.

United are always given insane decisions when they're in trouble, always.

It doesnt happen when they're comfortably ahead.

The Premier League and referees' mantra is simple - play the game normally but if United are looking like they're in trouble, step in and make sure they win.

It's corrupt and it's reached the point now where anyone can see it for themselves.

Really?

You're insinuating United 'buys' the league?

What's certain is that managers put pressure on referees, and there's no law prohibiting them to do that. When and IF there's one in the future, then you could be talking. It's disgusting when it goes against us and when it's United on the good end of those calamitous decisions but I'd doubt we'd complain if we had one of those in our favour.

[Red_Polo]

What's certain is that managers put pressure on referees, and there's no law prohibiting them to do that. When and IF there's one in the future, then you could be talking. It's disgusting when it goes against us and when it's United on the good end of those calamitous decisions but I'd doubt we'd complain if we had one of those in our favour.

They aren't allowed to do certain things to pressure refs actually, and Freguson gets away with it A LOT.

[Vermilion]

Really?

You're insinuating United 'buys' the league?

What's certain is that managers put pressure on referees, and there's no law prohibiting them to do that. When and IF there's one in the future, then you could be talking. It's disgusting when it goes against us and when it's United on the good end of those calamitous decisions but I'd doubt we'd complain if we had one of those in our favour.

IF, that's the point, IF, trouble is it's WHEN for utd.

[Craig_H]

I'm really not in the mood to deal with the forum's resident village idiot, so save your energy fredo.

[Guest]

They aren't allowed to do certain things to pressure refs actually, and Freguson gets away with it A LOT.

Of course he gets away with it a lot but that's because he uses his influence and his massive experience of the game. What Craig has insinuated though is that the league is 'corrupt'. He's got himself carried away maybe because there's no evidence of it. Referees have to make split second decisions and there's bound to be errors in their judgement. That's why Ferguson puts pressure on them. We got away with a rather dubious free kick today, IMO.

I'm really not in the mood to deal with the forum's resident village idiot, so save your energy fredo.

You always resort to that **** when I get under your skin.

[Craig_H]

You always resort to that **** when I get under your skin.

The mancs have just been HANDED 3 points by a cheating ref - and you think YOU'RE the one that's got under my skin? Christ, there's no limits to your idiocy.

[Red_Polo]

Play nice please guys.

[Guest]

The mancs have just been HANDED 3 points by a cheating ref - and you think YOU'RE the one that's got under my skin? Christ, there's no limits to your idiocy.

Carry on .... you're seeing red.

[Vermilion]

Did I say there was no chance? You're putting words inot my mouth.

What's silly is when people suddenly fervently believe so based on one ****e decision. It kind of gives the impression they're just pissed off not basing their thoughts on evidence don't you think? If people still think the league is rigged when the dust has settled and have evidence of how this is going on and what the motives are then it won't be silly any more.

Calling out individual refs as favouring certain teams off their own back is a different matter, and if you ask me it happens all the time.

Is it based on just one decision though, or have many been thinking this for years, todays events just maybe served to compound that belief.

I do wholeheartedly believe they get the good decisions far too often when they really need them, whether it's a concious or sub-concious decision by the ref i don't know, what i do know is that it gives them a big advantage.

[Guest]

Play nice please guys.

He's obviously frustrated, but I'm no fool to say that they won the game because the ref cheated. He made a wrong decision that is clear but we equally got a very dubious free kick when Alonso scored.

So when do we draw the line?

Maybe I should continue this discussion when heads have cooled down a bit.

[Craig_H]

He's obviously frustrated, but I'm no fool to say that they won the game because the ref cheated. He made a wrong decision that is clear but we equally got a very dubious free kick when Alonso scored.

So when do we draw the line?

Maybe I should continue this discussion when heads have cooled down a bit.

Do you think there's a difference between a freekick 25 yards from goal, with a wall in the way & about 15 other players between ball and goal - and a penalty, from 12 yards out, with only keeper between ball and goal?

Or do you think they offer the same level of advantage and opportunity for the attacking team?

Take your time and think carefully.

[Red_Polo]

Is it based on just one decision though, or have many been thinking this for years, todays events just maybe served to compound that belief.

I knew someone would say that.

There is at the very least one person on here who has completely changed their mind about how deserved the scum's position in the table has been following today's game. Not only that, but if people have long held that belief then why are they so schocked at today and why do they sound like people stupidly lashing out rather than people with a serious point to make? Maybe the league is rigged and maybe it isn't. My point is all this stuff is just people's emotional reactions.

[Shanks]

Craig.

If things are as bad as you say they are, then why didn't Gomes get a red card from Webb?

Did Fergie tell him to keep him on??