Mr Ferguson Talking About Everyone Else Again

[Norbs]

Still dont think they'd touch the top 4.

Hughes is clueless and none of the players are there for the right reasons.

Whilst true, spending big has worked in the past with Blackburn, Chelsea and to a lesser degree even Newcastle.

[Pablo]

A journo at this press conference asked Ferguson about the CL final:

“I won’t be talking about that. We know where we went wrong. We totally threw it away. But I won’t be talking about it because it’s not worth talking about.”

:whatever:

Yes you "threw it away" by being completely outclassed by a far superior side! As if it was theirs to throw away anyway!

[Craig_H]

Only players I can see throwing a fit are Bellamy and Petrov. The rest will be fine where they are, and they'll just sell whoever moans and get someone else in instead. This whole "unrest" thing about not playing is overrated in its effect. It has no bearing on what the players on the pitch do, and that's a top 4 team I've written down there.

It's not like the other top sides don't have players who moan about not getting picked (Carvalho, Babel, Tevez etc.)

The season hasnt started yet, give it time.

The biggest thing about City which makes me doubt them, is the notion of a 'team' - there isnt one. Bunch of mercenary individuals and the manager isnt good enough to manage this.

[Craig_H]

Us and the mancs have the advantage over them in the management department, but I'm not even sure Arsenal and Chelsea do.

Wenger is just as clueless sometimes, and tactically, he's a complete buffoon. The man has failed to address a serious problem in his team for years, and will fail to address that this summer as well (No ****ing spine).

He's been living off his reputation for the last few years with nothing to show for it, fortunate enough that Villa's paper thin squad collapsed after they lost Laursen. If I were an Arsenal fan, Hughes or no Hughes, I'd be ****ting myself.

And Ancelotti is far from being a sure success. In fact, I doubt he'd last the season. His football philosophy just doesn't suit this league and he's failed to win the Serie A for 5 years. They also have an aging team that seriously lacks creativity.

City could surprise a few people.

I cant believe you're genuinely suggesting that Wenger and Ancellotti arent 'an advantage' over Mark ****ing Hughes. You're doing a sponsored windup, right? Please tell me that's what you're doing

[Craig_H]

Whilst true, spending big has worked in the past with Blackburn, Chelsea and to a lesser degree even Newcastle.

Chelsea were already a top four side when the money came in. Blackburn did it with a much smaller squad, when the league was less competitive and with a sense of unity, with the Walker family (actual supporters of the club) at the helm.

And Newcastle are in the Championship

[Guest]

And Newcastle never won anything.

[JohnDoe]

I cant believe you're genuinely suggesting that Wenger and Ancellotti arent 'an advantage' over Mark ****ing Hughes. You're doing a sponsored windup, right? Please tell me that's what you're doing

I'm not buying that Mark Hughes is this horrible manager everyone is making him out to be. The fact is, City were not worth more than where they finished when you objectively look at the quality they had compared to other teams. They had an awful defence, an awful strike force, a frustrated Robinho and just one shining light in Ireland. I really think people are being extremely harsh on Hughes and it's become some sort of a fashion to lay into him.

[red g]

I'm not buying that Mark Hughes is this horrible manager everyone is making him out to be. The fact is, City were not worth more than where they finished when you objectively look at the quality they had compared to other teams. They had an awful defence, an awful strike force, a frustrated Robinho and just one shining light in Ireland. I really think people are being extremely harsh on Hughes and it's become some sort of a fashion to lay into him.

its not a case of laying into hughes he did a decent job at balckburn and wales, But Wenger and Ancellotti are both managers who are admired world over and have trophies in there cabinet.

look at it objectively, they had robinho, given, bellamy, ireland, de jong, Kompany, given, richards, errrr and no doubt a few others which meant that mid table is the very least to where they should be thats prob still over 100million spent there with Jo as well.

Objectively they finished where would have been expcted at the very least.

[Craig_H]

I'm not buying that Mark Hughes is this horrible manager everyone is making him out to be. The fact is, City were not worth more than where they finished when you objectively look at the quality they had compared to other teams. They had an awful defence, an awful strike force, a frustrated Robinho and just one shining light in Ireland. I really think people are being extremely harsh on Hughes and it's become some sort of a fashion to lay into him.

Ok, forget the idea of Hughes being a 'horrible' manager.

But to suggest that he's up there with Wenger and Ancellotti, is ludicrous.

Last season, they had a good squad and anyone with the tiniest ounce of management ability would've got them to finish where they did.

[JohnDoe]

I never suggested he's at the level of Wenger and Ancellotti, certainly not in terms of achievements and experience, but I did say Wenger is vastly overrated and Ancellotti won't do well in the English game, so I wouldn't say Arsenal and Chelsea have the advantage over City just because they have Hughes as manager. That's all.

robinho, given, bellamy, ireland, de jong, Kompany, given, richards

Given, Bellamy, De Jong and Given were all signed in January. It's not that easy to get players in immediately and settle down a team. Richards had a terrible season. They had Ireland and Robinho to rely on, the rest of their team were patchy.

[Craig_H]

I never suggested he's at the level of Wenger and Ancellotti, certainly not in terms of achievements and experience, but I did say Wenger is vastly overrated and Ancellotti won't do well in the English game, so I wouldn't say Arsenal and Chelsea have the advantage over City just because they have Hughes as manager. That's all.

If you agree that he's not at Ancellotti or Wenger's level, how is that NOT an advantage for Chelsea and Arsenal, over City?

[JohnDoe]

If you agree that he's not at Ancellotti or Wenger's level, how is that NOT an advantage for Chelsea and Arsenal, over City?

Because Wenger has lost the plot in the last few years, Ancellotti hasn't won the Serie A for 5 years and this is his first job in a completely different and more competitive league?

[red g]

Because Wenger has lost the plot in the last few years, Ancellotti hasn't won the Serie A for 5 years and this is his first job in a completely different and more competitive league?

I am sure if Wenger had the same Wallet as Hughes had i know who i would be backing to get it right.

[Craig_H]

Because Wenger has lost the plot in the last few years, Ancellotti hasn't won the Serie A for 5 years and this is his first job in a completely different and more competitive league?

Wenger's had a net spend of about £3m p/a for the last few seasons.

Ancellotti was working with a very old squad at Milan, and he got them to two CL finals in 3 years - the same achievement that we laud Rafa for.

[Leyton388]

**** Bacon face!