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    Manchester United could be the second of the Barclays Premier League's “big four” to be hit by a transfer ban after Le Havre confirmed yesterday that they are pursuing a “very similar” case to that won by Lens against Chelsea.

    Alain Belsoeur, the managing director of Le Havre, told The Times that the outcome of the Chelsea hearing was “very important and very encouraging” as they seek Fifa sanctions against United for allegedly “stealing” Paul Pogba, the teenage prodigy.

    Le Havre insist that Pogba was under contract to them when he left for United this summer. They claim to have a pre-contract agreement signed by the player - and witnessed by his parents - in November 2006 that committed him to a professional contract from his 16th birthday, in March. Instead, the player allegedly walked away and turned up at Old Trafford.

    The French club claim to have evidence that inducements were offered to Pogba's parents and say that details will be included in their submission to Fifa.

    United have strenuously denied that they made any payments or have done anything against the rules. “It is complete nonsense,” a spokesman said. “Everything has been done within Uefa guidelines.”

    Nevertheless, Fifa has yet to grant international clearance for Pogba to represent United and, with the French federation supporting Le Havre, it appears certain that the case will go before the world governing body.

    “Of course we are still pursuing our case,” Belsoeur said. “It is a very serious case. We are confident that we'll win because it is in the best interests not just of our club but of sport.

    “We spend €5million [about £4.3million] on our academy every year out of a turnover of €12million. It is a huge investment. We do that to give a chance to our players to develop for our first team, not to be an academy for others. What is the point of investing in an academy if the players leave at 16? This is clearly a message from Fifa to protect the education system.”

    Le Havre, from Ligue 2, have a history of developing teenage talent and also of litigation against English clubs. They were engaged in a legal battle with Newcastle United over Charles N'Zogbia that lasted more than three years.

    Le Havre insisted that N'Zogbia had breached his contract and were initially awarded €300,000 in compensation by Fifa. They appealed and in 2007 the Court of Arbitration for Sport insisted that N'Zogbia should pay £440,000 and Newcastle £200,000. “It took 3 years and we received about a quarter of what Newcastle received from Wigan when they sold the player,” Belsoeur said. He described Newcastle at the time as “predators”.

    In the case of Pogba, Le Havre signed him at 13 from a small club in Paris. They had high hopes for the defensive midfield player, who has captained France Under-16s. But they heard rumours in May that United were interested.

    They claim that they rang Old Trafford to explain that Pogba was under contract and say that they spoke directly to Brian McClair, United's academy director.

    United went ahead with signing Pogba as a scholar and, according to Belsoeur, offered him a deal worth £3,500 a week as soon as he turns 17, the age at which players in England can sign full professional contracts.

    Belsoeur said that many clubs in Europe would be delighted at the punishment against Chelsea because they were fed up with rich Premier League clubs poaching the best young talent. “We are not the only club who have had players stolen,” Belsoeur said.

    “The reputation of British clubs is that they don't produce many players for their national team but take them away from foreign countries. We hope this [Fifa's ruling] will change the behaviour of English clubs, but we will have to see.”

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    How ****ing good would that be?

    #2
    If it does happen

    And it probably will take a bit of time,no?

    I could see the scum going on a spending spree
    If they have the ability to do so during the next transfer
    Window in january.

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      #3
      It wont be long before we are hit with the same ban, Platinni has an agenda to cut the English clubs down to size, he will use all his power to do this.

      Liverpool stole our little Spannish striker from the Barca Acadamy, how many othe "under the counter" deals have passed off that we know nothing of. Im sure we are as guilty at tapping up players as the other teams are, it is how you suvive.
      Those that hid Anne Frank were breaking the law.
      Those that killed her, were following the law.

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        #4
        Was just thinking about the Barca lad ... I say fair play to him must be a ******* for the smaller clubs to develop talent only for a big team to drive by and say Taa very much without a penny to the club
        Anybody who criticizes Klopp ever is a James Blunt. Nov 2015
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          #5
          The rest of the Premier League’s 'Big Four’ have all cherry-picked the best talent from youth systems all over the world in an attempt to secure their own futures and Chelsea are not the first to attract criticism.

          Fran Mérida, the Arsenal midfielder, was ordered to pay £2.5 million to Barcelona “for failing to meet the terms of a personal precontract” with the Catalan side, while Borussia Dortmund were furious with Liverpool for taking Germany Under-19 left-back Christopher Buchtmann before he agreed professional terms.


          Manchester United have, at various times, stood accused of poaching some of Brazil’s most promising players, as well as inviting reproach for their signing of the Italian youngsters Davide Petrucci and Federico Macheda. And earlier this month Le Havre accused United of poaching French star Paul Pogba.

          Exchange students

          Foreign players at the Big Four’s academies – and where they arrived from.

          Liverpool: Damien Plessis (Lyon), Daniel Ayala (Seville), Christopher Buchtmann (Dortmund), Gerardo Bruna (Real Madrid), Francisco Duran (Malaga), Daniel Pacheco (Barcelona), Martin Hansen (Brondby), Nikola Saric (Herfolge), Vincent Weijl (AZ Alkmaar)

          Manchester United: Fabio da Silva (Fluminense), Rafael da Silva (Fluminense), Federico Macheda (Lazio), Ron-Robert Zieler (FC Koln), Davide Petrucci (Roma), Magnus Eikrem (Molde), Rodrigo Possebon (Internacional), Paul Pogba (Le Havre)

          Arsenal: Vito Mannone (Atalanta), Fran Mérida (Barcelona), Francis Coquelin (Laval), Pedro (Figueirense), Sead Hajrovic (Grasshoppers), Ignasi Miquel (Cornella), Nacer Barazite (NEC Nijmegen), Oghuzan Ozyakup (AZ Alkmaar)

          Chelsea: Gaël Kakuta (Lens), Jeffrey Bruma (Feyenoord), Patrick van Aanholt (PSV), Miroslav Stoch (FC Nitra), Philipp Prosenik (Rapid Vienna)

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            #6
            Aye, we could be far from blameless on this I expect.
            3rd place. Worst champions ever.

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              #7
              The big difference is (perhaps) that what chelsea and now the scum are accused of is poaching youngsters that where under contract, while the Buchtmann wasn't.

              However I could expect that some of the younsters we have taken in where in the same situation (although I hope not)! We would however be hit far less than the others seeing that we are skint to the bone and have no money to use for transfers anyways.

              The good thing about this though is that perhaps it can set a stop to all the trafficking of youngsters that is going on - not footballs prettiest face.

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                #8
                The big difference is (perhaps) that what chelsea and now the scum are accused of is poaching youngsters that where under contract, while the Buchtmann wasn't.

                That's the crux of it, FIFA can't do anything against the bigger clubs poaching unless the players were under a current club contract

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                  #9
                  UEFA and FIFA have an agenda IMO to curtail the dominance of the PL. This is the ideal way to let the other European giants play catch-up for a couple of seasons.
                  "Its not about the long ball or the short ball, its about the right ball." Bob Paisley

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                    #10
                    OUt of those 40 or so top top youth talents will be interesting to see how many come through
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                    Weak willed, Wank or do they have a masterplan?

                    Think we have the answer..Slot!!

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                      #11
                      Intéressant
                      "The man who never alters his opinion is like standing water, and breeds reptiles of the mind."
                      -- William Blake

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by red g View Post
                        OUt of those 40 or so top top youth talents will be interesting to see how many come through
                        - u look at the list of players we have in the post above and well, will any???

                        Before the chelsea story broke, I have had concerns with the way Liverpool, United, Arsenal and Chelsea seemed to have basically just signed random foreign kids by the bucket load. Iirc i remember reading that in all the european leagues you can't sign professional deals until you are 18, and in the premier league it is once you have turned 16 - so basically the big four have just snapped up every 16 yr old around europe who can kick a ball - i believe this was the case with us for Pacheco, Arsenal and Fabregas etc.

                        The rules are flawed and have been for a long long time - I was listening to radio last night and there were some interesting points made...........I for one thing it's wrong that under 18's are basically snapped up and ferried round europe.

                        The problem fifa/uefa have is they need to make the rules consistent across each league!!! You can't have one league with one set of rules and another legaue with another.....I also don't agree with the home grown policy, how can someone from say argentina, be poached by an english side at 14, and by time he is 18 he is classed as home grown! it's madness

                        I look at liverpool youngsters and ressies, and it changes so much every season, I'd love to see the team made up of english talent - we have the arguement that well the talent just isn't there at the moment!! but imo if uefa put a ban that applied to EVERY single league that said under 18's are not allowed to sign for a foriegn club, eventually local, english talent will start emerging. - we have signed players that just seem to vanish into thin air
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                          #13
                          I think it is pretty clear given how long the Chelsea verdict took to be reached that FIFA/UEFA have been planning this for a while. I suspect that we will largely be okay as we seem to have paid for a lot of our young players and a lot of their old coaches have made comments about how their move that have not indicated they had contracts even if they have been disappointed to lose the player.

                          It strikes me as significant that players seem to have explicit contracts in France which is clearly different to Spain and Italy where it has always been said that the players we poach couldn't sign deals which is why we could get them.

                          I don't see any problem with players counting as home grown having come from abroad. To me club football should be about the clubs with the development of local talent part of that but if a player comes in and we invest heavily in them then they should count as a product of the club. For example a player who is resident in the country long enough could change nationality any way. The clubs do not in my view owe a debt to the national team.

                          That said supporting the local community should be part of the remit of the club. I think though that long term much as is seen at Arsenal now where the youth ranks increasingly do include a lot of very talented English players when the set up to develop kids is right then that will facilitate local players (as the easiest to come by) getting further up the chain. The best long term example is probably Barcelona where players developed to play particular roles get chances such as Busquets.
                          "The man who never alters his opinion is like standing water, and breeds reptiles of the mind."
                          -- William Blake

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Tee View Post
                            UEFA and FIFA have an agenda IMO to curtail the dominance of the PL. This is the ideal way to let the other European giants play catch-up for a couple of seasons.
                            Nail on head...

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Icon View Post
                              Nail on head...
                              If that dominance is partly being achieved by illegal and imoral means then fair enough.
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