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    #31
    Originally posted by PTP View Post
    there is no doubting that pele was an unbelievable talent - but ****ing hell, i reckon I've scored over 2000 goals in my life, 5 a side, 11 a side, heads and volleys in the playground - if we throw in my goals from sensible soccer up to the current pro evo, I must be tipping the 10’000 mark

    I think this comes down to the rivalry between brazil/argentina which is fair enough.........I would bet you that Pele rates Lucas over Messi.

    I was thinking that on the way into work this morning, I've been playing 2-3 competitive matches a week for the last 6 or so years and scored typically 5 goals a week in total.

    5 x 50 = 250 goals a year x 6 years = 1500 goals

    I was playing 1-2 games a week before that for a few years that must have been at least another 500 in competitive games alone, not including anything else.

    come back when you've more than 2000 Pele
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      #32
      Originally posted by Operation View Post
      Clearly not. If the best player in the world was unfortunate enough to be born in say, Finland, winning the world cup would be an incredible task.
      i know but as i keep saying george best was supposed yto be as good as they got but no world cup is that why he isnt mentioned in the same bredth or was he not that good?

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        #33
        If Maradona can win a world cup single handedly, why couldnt someone like Best, at least get his country qualified for a world cup?

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          #34
          Originally posted by Craig_H View Post
          If Maradona can win a world cup single handedly, why couldnt someone like Best, at least get his country qualified for a world cup?
          Because there are 11 men on a team, not just one. If a striker gets no service and the team has a one armd goalie, it doesn't reflect the players ability if they lose.
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            #35
            Did you see the 1986 world cup?

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              #36
              Originally posted by Craig_H View Post
              If Maradona can win a world cup single handedly, why couldnt someone like Best, at least get his country qualified for a world cup?
              The other players in Argentina team were still very good players in their own right. With all due respect to Northern Ireland the majority of the other players that played with Best weren't in the same league as those that played for Aregentina.
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                #37
                No, that's true - but i'm not asking Northern Ireland's team of best's era to achieve the same as Argentina 1986 and win the WC - just to qualify.

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by Craig_H View Post
                  No, that's true - but i'm not asking Northern Ireland's team of best's era to achieve the same as Argentina 1986 and win the WC - just to qualify.
                  To be honest I don't know enough about the qualifying campaigns of Northern Ireland at the to say why they didn't qualify, or even how close they came to qualifying
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                    #39
                    It's always difficult for a small nation with limited resources like NI to qualify for major tournaments. I don't think the fact that they never qualified for a tournament with best should be held against him.

                    At the same time I don't think Best deserves to be regarded at the same level as Pele, Maradona or Cruyff as he didn't do it consistently for long enough.
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                      #40
                      For arguments' sake though, what if a player was injured during WC qualifiers & therefore didnt make it onto the wider international stage?

                      I dont see why winning a WC is a prerequisite for the Worlds' Best Player accolade.

                      Pele always does come across as a right tosser, aye.
                      3rd place. Worst champions ever.

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                        #41
                        Originally posted by The Erectile Banana View Post
                        It's always difficult for a small nation with limited resources like NI to qualify for major tournaments. I don't think the fact that they never qualified for a tournament with best should be held against him.

                        At the same time I don't think Best deserves to be regarded at the same level as Pele, Maradona or Cruyff as he didn't do it consistently for long enough.
                        . ..and he was a Scummer, so prone to benefit from hyperbole a la The White Pele.
                        3rd place. Worst champions ever.

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                          #42
                          thing is non mancs i know say he was very good.

                          and alot of people i know who where mance became mancs because of best.

                          obviously of a certain age.

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                            #43
                            I know, was only semi-serious to be fair.

                            Dont know much about him to be fair- before my time & not interested in educating myself in a Scum lovefest, however blinkard that makes me.
                            3rd place. Worst champions ever.

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                              #44
                              It's subjective so some people choose to use World Cups and European trophies and whatever as criteria and others don't.

                              I suppose it's a bit hard on players like Best who come from small countries with weak teams but other players - e.g. Pele, Maradona, Cruyff, Zidane - proved they could consistently perform at the highest level in the biggest matches and find that fairly convincing. Best did it once - in 1968 - and that weakens his case for me.
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                              Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.



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                                #45
                                i suppose i ask about best as i know more about the others

                                where does the king stand? he was fairly special in his day from what i remember.

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