Keeper fail

[Rich]

A decision in the 1986 World Cup led to the "Madrid rule" clarification of the penalty procedure. In the quarter-final shootout between Brazil and France, Bruno Bellone's kick rebounded out off the post and back into the goal off goalkeeper Carlos's back. Referee Ioan Igna gave the goal to France, and Brazil captain Edinho was booked for protesting that the kick should have been considered a miss as soon as it rebounded off the post. In 1987, the IFAB clarified Law 14, covering penalty kicks, to support Igna's decision

Looks like the goal was correctly given...

[Kenneth]

Well I'm confused.

[Kenneth]

If an insect flies into the front of your car, is there a point where the insect is stationary (when stopping moving in one direction before moving in the opposition direction)? If so, the car must also be stationary. Is this relevant?

[Kenneth]

Dupe

[Neil Young]

If an insect flies into the front of your car, is there a point where the insect is stationary (when stopping moving in one direction before moving in the opposition direction)? If so, the car must also be stationary. Is this relevant?

No.

[BillobShaisley]

A decision in the 1986 World Cup led to the "Madrid rule" clarification of the penalty procedure. In the quarter-final shootout between Brazil and France, Bruno Bellone's kick rebounded out off the post and back into the goal off goalkeeper Carlos's back. Referee Ioan Igna gave the goal to France, and Brazil captain Edinho was booked for protesting that the kick should have been considered a miss as soon as it rebounded off the post. In 1987, the IFAB clarified Law 14, covering penalty kicks, to support Igna's decision

Looks like the goal was correctly given...

Seems I'm a bit behind the times, though I'm still trying to find some official documentation of the 'Madrid Rule' and Rule 14. Will have to wait for lunch time with the work Web Filters.

Funny that quite a few LFC forums seem to have had the exact same debate as us above. Even funnier how many people seem to think their opinion about how fair it is somehow makes it the law.

[BillobShaisley]

Not the best source but a more complete explanation : http://www.matthardwick.com/forums/s...d.php?p=465992

THE MADRID RULE - what is it?

Question: When does a penalty kick actually end?

Answer: Prior to a change in the Laws in season 1987/1988, the Penalty-Kick Law 14 was not clear in defining when a penalty kick had been completed; both when time had been extended at the end of a half to allow for the taking of a penalty kick, or when kicks are being taken from the penalty-mark to decide a winner after a match had ended in a draw.

The so-called 'Madrid Law' (more correctly the Mexico Rule!) sought to minimise future confusion, following a controversial penalty goal, scored by the French player Bruno Bellone in the classic 1986 Mexico World Cup Quarter Final game between France - Brazil.

The French player Bellone, hit the crossbar during the penalty shoot-out, and the ball came back out and hit the rear of Brazil goalkeeper Carlos and went into the goal. The Referee allowed the goal to count, and France went on to win 4-3 on penalties after a 1-1 draw following extra time. The Referee was Ioan Igna (Romania), and his linesmen were, Vojtech Christov (Czechoslovakia) and Lajos Nemeth (Hungary).

There was a lot of controversy about the French penalty kick at the time. But it was the Scottish Football Association who successfully sought clarification, by proposing the following Law 14 (Penalty Kick) change that was accepted at the 100th International Football Association Board (IFAB) meeting held at Bodysgallen Hall, Llandudno in Wales on Saturday 13th June 1987.

The approved text, was inserted at the bottom of the first paragraph of Law XIV, page 31 of the revised 1987/1988 'Referees' Chart and Players Guide to the Laws of Association Football', and was as follows:

"When a penalty kick is being taken during the normal course of play, or when time has been extended at half-time or full-time to allow a penalty-kick to be taken or retaken, a goal shall not be nullified if, before passing between the posts and under the cross-bar, the ball touches either or both of the goalposts, or the cross-bar, or the goalkeeper, or any combination of these agencies, providing that no other infringement has occurred."

At the same time, the following words, were also added to the end of the F. A. Board Decisions No. 6 paragraph as shown in italics below:

"When a match is extended, at half-time or full-time, to allow a penalty kick to be taken or retaken, the extension shall last until the moment that the penalty-kick has been completed, i.e., until the referee has decided whether a goal is scored or not, and the game shall terminate immediately the Referee has made his decision."

(The gist of these words still appears as part of the modern Law 14 - Penalty Kick).

Previous to season 1987/1988, the wording originally introduced by the IFAB on 17th June 1901 at Llangolen Wales, only referred to a goal being allowed if the ball touched the "goalkeeper" before passing between the posts. It made no mention of the ball bouncing off the framework of the goal and then deflecting into the goal off the goalkeeper.
(The Penalty Kick Law in the early 1900's, was numbered Law 17.)

The Law XIV International Board Decisions were stripped out of the Law book during the complete Law book re-write for season 1997/1998. This expunged the conflicting Decision No. 7(b) that previously stated, "the game shall terminate immediately the ball rebounds from the goalkeeper, the cross-bar or the goal-post". Some Referees, saw this as a clause that allowed them to end a penalty-kick as soon as the momentum of the ball ceased to travel forwards; and this conflicted with the new wording (and modern thinking) of 1987/1988, which is more aligned to the 'spirit of the game'.

So when does a penalty kick end?

To avoid any confusion, and for those of you who are looking for a simple solution to a very complex problem, the momentum of the kick is the crucial point in deciding when a penalty kick has been completed ………………..

"No matter how many combinations of goalpost, crossbar, goalkeeper's body parts etc. are involved, if the ball ends up in the goal because of the energy imparted onto it by the kicker's boot, a goal should be allowed."

Those of you, who are looking for a complex solution, which confirm the simple sentiments in the above paragraph, can refer back to FIFA Questions and Answers Booklet 1990, which specifically addressed every possibility when a penalty kick is completed at the extension of time and at kicks from the penalty mark. The over-elaborate detail, has been dropped from the later editions of FIFA Questions and Answers Booklets, but the concepts will still apply, until superseded by a change in the Laws.