Gray & Keys In Sexist Row

[Fierce]

YouTube - Andy Gray And Steven Gerrard - What a Couple!!!!

Please watch this. I dont know why it was made or why I find it funny. It is though.

Hi Alex

Hope you're well mate

Couple of things

1) Please amend your signature, I withdraw my assessment

2) As it isn't possible to reimburse someone for their time, I suggest a financial recompense? Due to the heinous nature of your actions, I think 10p per second is probably acceptable to both parties.
With that in mind, please arrange for the immediate payment of £14.70 calculated as follows: 1min 47secs = 147 seconds x £0.10 = £14.70

I'll PM you my bank details, and we can forget the whole incident ever occured and never mention it again

Kind regards

Simon

[Neil Young]

Got into a debate on FB with a female friend who supports Keys & Gray, and thinks "If we're going to make an issue of a blokey comment that Richard Keys made we should also make an issue of men who look at porn which is completely disrespectful to women, completely male dominated and taps in to the primitive instincts of men whether you like it or not"

Brilliant. If we can't change everything for the better, then let's change nothing.

[Rudo]

[Shaggy]

Brilliant. If we can't change everything for the better, then let's change nothing.

[Craig_H]

Has there been any more footage released? The last ones i saw were the Gray 'tuck it into my trousers' one to Charlotte Jackson and the Keys 'smash it' one.

Any more yet?

This could run and run

[Slinky Skills]

Sorry if this has been posted already!

Gray and Keys laughing at women playing football!

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ienZj9onV0Q"]YouTube - Andy Gray & Richard Keys Laughing At Women's Football[/ame]

[Fredo]

Can't believe there are some people defending those guys. Heard some women in the radio this morning defending how it has all been 'blown out of proportion'.

I rarely go to pubs these days, one reason being because I can't stand that kind of attitudes from blokes. Some women do like that kind of attitude from men, probably explaining that some are defending them. I know of a guy who treats his wife like ****, she cooks for him, cleans the dishes, does the ****ing lot and he does absolutely nothing. She won't complain though, because 'men are men and women are women'.

[PTP]

Can't believe there are some people defending those guys. Heard some women in the radio this morning defending how it has all been 'blown out of proportion'.

I rarely go to pubs these days, one reason being because I can't stand that kind of attitudes from blokes. Some women do like that kind of attitude from men, probably explaining that some are defending them. I know of a guy who treats his wife like ****, she cooks for him, cleans the dishes, does the ****ing lot and he does absolutely nothing. She won't complain though, because 'men are men and women are women'.

lucky *******

[Neil Young]

There's always someone somewhere willing to say anything. The fact Gray and Keys have been sacked shows times are changing - they wouldn't have been sacked in the same circumstances twenty years ago, or even ten.

As for Clarkson, he's missing the point, as usual.

[Neil Young]

lucky *******

Yes, yes, very good. Although it's essentially the same as every other joke on this thread.

[dom9]

Yes, yes, very good. Although it's essentially the same as every other joke on this thread.

To be fair, if I lived with a flat mate / bloke that did the same, I'd feel quite lucky.

[Shaggy]

TV's chance to elevate football punditry to the level of enlightenment

The Andy Gray-Richard Keys saga gives football broadcasters an opportunity to end the crass chatter on our screens

Paul Hayward
guardian.co.uk, Thursday 27 January 2011 14.47 GMT
Article history

There is a burning appetite out there for more rigorous football punditry: a point lost on the more star-struck television executives, who are failing in their duty to re-train and to coach. More Mike Atherton, less Paul Merson was the cry from the street when Andy Gray fell and Richard Keys again morphed into Alan Partridge with his parting shot: "Success breeds envy."

The two modes of TV broadcasting are shouting into the lug 'ole of the imagined "bloke in the pub" and cosy-cosy on the sofa for all the family. Neither is conducive to the kind of mind-enriching insight and analysis served up by Atherton, Nasser Hussain and David Lloyd in cricket.

This disparity is written into the histories of the two sports, many frustrated football watchers argued after the Gray-Keys imbroglio. One is contemplative and articulate, the other visceral and cliche-inclined. But there is no reason for football to keep its range of expression so narrow, its expert analysis so anodyne and its journalistic standards so low.

This is not to dismiss all ex-player commentators. Lee Dixon, Gareth Southgate, Chris Kamara, Graeme Souness, Mark Lawrenson, Alan Smith, Scott Minto and the under-used Gary O'Reilly are among the former pros who seek to cast light and treat their new vocations seriously (we are talking television here, where David Pleat is also a fine analyst – not radio, where the BBC also hands out co-commentating mics too easily).

The craving one hears all the time is: tell me about the game, show me, help me understand, as Atherton or Hussain can, and Paul Merson, Andy Cole and Dwight Yorke cannot, or choose not to. Controversy-phobic players in search of a job are not the prime culprits. In football, a fame-addled industry, they are led up from reception, slapped with make-up and shown to a sofa, where their presence alone is meant to be sufficient. "Look: it's Dwight Yorke!"

This is not broadcasting, it's Madame Tussauds. It is institutionalised sycophancy, for which the viewer is paying. And it patronises the aficionado in his and her own home. People who follow football properly spend more time thinking about the game than is probably good for them. From ex-players they seek the kind of enlightenment that is beyond their own musings on the bus or train. They are not fooled by in-jokes, love-ins or the kind of evasions that end with a violent leg-breaking tackle being described as "unfortunate".

Gray and Keys were not guilty of these offences. With his Pentagon box of replay tricks, Gray would break the game down, sometimes with sledgehammer emphasis on a full-back "bombing on", and Keys would ask a tough question, and bring journalistic shape to the discussion (on-air, at least). But the spectacular implosion of the game's big front-of-house double act offers television a chance to listen at last to viewers when they say they want less of the old boy network and more intelligent talk about the game.

Especially annoying is Match of the Day 2's special guest slot, when a big name is coated in honey by Colin Murray, whose questions could do with a regular trim to eliminate unnecessary clauses. Most of us watch MOTD2 to see the game deconstructed a bit more, and explained, in the Lee Dixon style. We might want to know why Andrey Arshavin is a ghost of his old self or how Kenny Dalglish has altered Liverpool's playing style. To be confronted with a re-run of some of Andy Cole's best career moments is merely an invitation to head off to bed.

Away from the live action itself, Sky clearly aims its coverage at what you might call the impassioned fan: hence Phil Thompson, Charlie Nicholas and Merson on Soccer Saturday. At least it has thought about its audience. The BBC, on the other hand, displays a curious urge to present football as light entertainment. Thus Gary Lineker, who could say plenty about the specifics of a game or passage of play, is trapped in the role of smooth presenter and link man, settling us all down for the ancient Saturday night ritual.

In American sport the talking heads who fill the gaps between games are emboldened by their masters to be provocative as well as highly detailed in their technical analysis. The result is entertainment plus enlightenment (plus earache, sometimes). Here, in football, there is no ante-room between the end of a playing career and the start of a life in broadcasting, which is television's fault.

To ex-players, and their agents, TV should recite some rules. There would be no easy hour on a sofa without training and preparation. The viewer beyond the camera is not a docile consumer of celebrity chatter but someone with a deep interest in the mechanics and nuances of the game. Football on TV is too often talking to itself.

[Drago]

Suppose you have to feel a bit sorry for Andy Gray. Worked for Sky for 15 years and the first time he talked any ****ing sense the cunt gets sacked

[Assassin]

Suppose you have to feel a bit sorry for Andy Gray. Worked for Sky for 15 years and the first time he talked any ****ing sense the cunt gets sacked

[IN_RAFA_WE_TRUST]

Anyone want to help them out? This appeared on my twitter.

Hmm Grazia towers trying really hard to explain the off-side rule to each other. Nope, not one of us knows what we are talking about..