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    is anyone silly enough to say robbie earle

    i certainly wouldnt

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      Originally posted by Mike View Post
      Few pages back, you said you thought Keys would walk following Gray's sacking.

      Not bad


      And the boorish, sexist culture of the old boys club. Like I say, Shaggly has been very impressive throughout.

      Originally posted by Daniel Torres View Post
      Strachan? Too obvious?
      Maybe for you. Too incomprehensible more like.



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      Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.



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        Originally posted by Mike View Post
        Few pages back, you said you thought Keys would walk following Gray's sacking.

        Not bad
        It was called on radio last Monday morning. These clips have been released on purpose.



        Do me a favour, love: sexism at Sky Sports

        Anonymous
        Published 26 January 2011

        An insider lifts the lid on boorishness and misogyny at Sky Sports.

        Richard Keys with Andy Gray. Photo: PA.

        So Andy Gray is toast. His job as a Sky Sports football pundit was already hanging by a thread after a recording emerged of him swapping off-colour remarks about a female linesman with colleague Richard Keys. Then came the 12-second YouTube video showing Gray waving his crotch towards his female co-presenter, Charlotte Jackson, and asking if she would tuck his mic in. "Charlotte, can you tuck this down here for me, love?" Sky announced his departure soon after.

        Barely had Gray's face returned to its normal colour after learning that he'd been sacked than an off-air video appeared showing Keys asking pundit Jamie Redknapp about a girlfriend. Keys refers to the woman as "it" and asks Redknapp if he'd "smashed it". Enjoying the moment, he quips: "Mind you, that's a stupid question. If you were anywhere near her, you definitely smashed it. You could have gone round there any night and found Redknapp hanging out the back of it." Keys's sacking, at the time of writing, seems likely.

        The speed at which more and more revelations are stacking up is astonishing. Isn't it odd that as soon as incontrovertible proof of Gray and Keys's attitudes first emerged, the floodgates opened? Someone on the inside has a grudge to bear - and access to incriminating footage. (When I worked at Sky Sports and messed up, a producer would say "one for the Christmas video".) But who? The list of suspects is long: in the past two decades, the pair have upset as many people as they've watched football games.

        The sexism of Keys and Gray was clear back in 1998 when the pair sniggered like school boys as they introduced highlights of the Women's FA Cup Final. Until now, though, it would have taken a brave person indeed to speak out. That's because Sky Sports holds such a dominant position in the world of sports broadcasting.

        Sky's reach is not just domestic; its footage is viewed internationally. It has working relationships with ITV (Champions League), BBC (English Premier League) and the American network ESPN. If you fall out with Sky, you can fall out with everyone. Hence I am not putting my name to this article.

        But how did the channel get into a state where its top presenters felt so comfortable expressing such crude opinions? The answer lies in its management structure, and how the football department is kept sacrosanct, separated from the rest of the output.

        The football team is led by Andy Melvin - a brilliant producer/director who has virtually re-invented the way the game is covered on TV. He's often compared by his staff to Malcolm Tucker, the foul-mouthed yet gifted spin doctor in The Thick Of It. Melvin certainly doesn't care what people think of him. As I once heard him say, "I'm not here to win a ****ing popularity contest."

        In the days when ITV was hiring staff for the launch of its digital channel, Melvin was keen to retain the services of ex-Spurs forward Clive Allen as a pundit. The pair reached a compromise on a salary, but Allen made the mistake of going to his agent. The agent phoned Melvin to see whether the deal might be improved. Melvin was polite, and asked the agent to get Allen to phone him. When Allen did, most of the words flying out of Melvin's mouth began with either "f" or "c". Allen was out of favour from then on. Melvin's vision of how football should be televised has been realised through Richard Keys, an experienced journalist who came to the channel from TV AM, and Andy Gray, who'd enjoyed a successful playing career. They were later joined by Geoff Shreeves, and the three have supported each other with ruthless efficiency. They in turn have been protected by Melvin. One Sky insider described the three as "bombproof" - at least before this week.

        The practical effect of their dominance is that few Sky producers wanted to work on Super Sunday, despite it being the channel's flagship football programme. That's because what Keys, Gray and Shreeves decide goes. Not the producer. For example, while presenting a European Championship Qualifier between the Faroe Islands and Scotland in 1997, Keys was caught off-air talking to a producer who had asked him to do a few on-air promos - short advertising spots for future games. "Nay promos, can't be arsed . . . that's it. Daft little ground-silly game. **** off." Sky later apologised, and explained that Keys was at the end of a six-hour shift. He didn't apologise.

        I've seen Keys berating production staff with a stream of invective down the years; I've seen one researcher pushed close to the edge. The man eventually left Sky Sports, confiding to me he couldn't take its "bullying culture".

        It's telling that when, in May 2009, Sky Sports' managing director Vic Wakeling announced he was retiring after 15 years at the helm, Andy Melvin wasn't chosen to replace him. Many had assumed he was a shoo-in, but his abrasive style was not universally popular, and instead Sky turned to the genial Barney Francis to replace Vic. In practice, Barney was in charge of everything but football and the Melvin/Keys/Gray/Shreeves team rode on.

        Ultimately, to denounce Keys and Gray for their unpleasant comments is just dealing with the effects, rather than the cause of the problem. For a start, if Sky Sports is serious about eradicating sexist views, it needs to look carefully at its policy of hiring glamorous female presenters for spurious duties. It hardly encourages a culture of respect for women.

        Many years ago I watched in horror as a female presenter struggled with a cricket story and froze when she came to the letters "LBW" on her auto-prompt. She said: "Smith was out lubuwu" and looked quizzically at the screen. Another female presenter once called Wolverhampton's ground as "Moulinex".

        I've worked in sports broadcasting for many years, and Sky remains at the forefront of some of the best coverage that exists. I have also witnessed there one of the worst reactionary cultures and some of the basest conservative thinking ever. Let's hope the former wins out.



        The author is a sports broadcaster who has worked for Sky Sports, among others.

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          Originally posted by Marsh View Post
          is anyone silly enough to say robbie earle

          i certainly wouldnt
          But you certainly are silly enough to.
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          Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.



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            my dad did some work for strachen when he was cov boss.

            nice bloke apparently

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              Originally posted by Neil Young View Post
              But you certainly are silly enough to.
              but not silly enough to pretend to be a dog.

              its all relative

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                Originally posted by Marsh View Post
                but not silly enough to pretend to be a dog.

                its all relative
                Are we winning?

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                  Originally posted by Marsh View Post
                  but not silly enough to pretend to be a dog.

                  its all relative
                  .
                  Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.



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                    you really should ask for your own doggy smileys

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                      Originally posted by NigelLG View Post
                      Or silly enough to pretend to leave.

                      I can't wait for Camble to take your place on the posting team so we can transfer you to Hoffenheim.
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                      Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.



                      May the Lord bless this post.

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                        Originally posted by Neil Young View Post
                        Or silly enough to pretend to leave.

                        I can't wait for Camble to take your place on the posting team so we can transfer you to Hoffenheim.
                        Come on Oliver, we make a great pair, always have been.
                        Are we winning?

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                          so is nigel fredo?

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                            and rudo is markey

                            so who is nicey?

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                              Mattshark...

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                                Originally posted by Marsh View Post
                                and rudo is markey

                                so who is nicey?
                                I don't know. But I've got a theory.
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                                Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.



                                May the Lord bless this post.

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