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    if richey is reading this its the paper you call cunty guardian



    Pundits like Andy Gray? Why the players couldn't care less

    That many football pundits don't even try to scratch beneath the surface, despite knowing what it takes to win a match at this level, is deeply annoying

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    The Guardian, Saturday 29 January 2011
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    Andy Gray, former Sky pundit Anyone can navigate a giant iPad, sliding faces of famous players around with their pinkie while throwing out rubbish phrases. Photograph: Rex Features

    What if Sky Sports offered me Andy Gray's job? Not a chance. Let me tell you something, football pundits are universally despised by players and not just because at some point in the past they would have been on the receiving end of criticism themselves.

    It doesn't matter what you've done in the game, where you've played, what you might have won or how much money you earned – pundits are held in the same regard by players as female assistant referees once were at Sky.

    And while on that subject, prepare to be disappointed. While I found the whole episode with Gray and Richard Keys at Molineux cringeworthy, inside the world of football nobody is particularly bothered. Don't interpret that as evidence that players are condoning Gray and Keys for their behaviour. It's more a case that most of my team-mates would have no interest in listening to anything pundits say in the first place.

    There's no obvious reason why those sat on the sofa are thought of in such low terms, but it may have something to do with a sense that they are going against the inner sanctum that we pretend we are a part of. Perhaps, subconsciously, it tugs at those still playing, who realise the ex-players know things about them that they probably wish they didn't.

    Their new position of influence over millions of people is a little uncomfortable for some, I'm sure, and their failure to go the extra mile when analysing matches can also grate.

    Switch to our world and the level of detail that goes into games still, to this day, amazes me. Every player has his own script, what to do, when to do it, information on the player he's up against, including weight, height, age, strengths, weaknesses, even what that opponent is likely to do when the ball comes to him in certain situations. We memorise every single set piece, where we have to stand, run and end up. We even memorise this for the other players so we know where everyone else will be at any given time.

    You know that pass when you say to yourself: "How did he spot that?" Often he didn't need to; he knew the player would be there because, the night before in the hotel, he read about the runs he would be making.

    It's exactly the same pass after which sometimes you might find yourself saying: "Who was that to?" The receiving player either forgot to be there or was taken out of the game by a tactical manoeuvre by his opposite number.

    Football at this level is very chess-like, maybe not to those outside of football but certainly to those inside. I sometimes wonder whether it's more enjoyable playing lower down the leagues. After all, who wants to play chess?

    With top-level football being so complex, it is very difficult to deconstruct a live game within a couple of minutes of it being over, and because of this the "analysis" is usually reduced to goals and individual performance. But the fact that many pundits don't even try to scratch beneath the surface, despite knowing what it takes to win a match at this level, annoys me. It's the trivialisation of what we do by people that we used to call our own and, more importantly, deprives the viewer of some very interesting tit-bits that would, I feel, add to the entertainment.

    Anyone can navigate a giant iPad, sliding faces of famous players around with their pinkie while throwing out phrases like "Third man run" and other such rubbish. What particularly riles me is when you hear a pundit or co-commentator say something like, "I can't understand, Martin, why Drogba is not on the post here. That header would have fallen to him and if I'm Petr Cech I'm saying: 'Go on son, clear that off the line for me!'"

    The fact is corners are routinely cleared by a man stationed on the six-yard line, exactly where Chelsea position Didier Drogba. If somebody scores inside that post it is for no other reason than a player having lost his man. That is the mistake. If there is a player on the post he will clear one, possibly two shots off the line a season. If that same player stands on the six-yard line he will probably clear 100 corners away over the course of the season.

    The worst thing, though, is when this dross gets into popular culture and my friends start saying stupid things to me like, "We should have a man on the post, our manager doesn't know what he's doing", just because it sounds like the right thing to say. It's such an easy way of analysing that it infuriates me. It's lazy and it takes you, the viewer, for a fool. But, then again, Sky is an expert in creating a villain.

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    #2
    **** me what a brilliant article. Thats exactly the sort of post match analysis that the game needs. That peice on defending corners makes alot of sense.

    I didnt realise so much individual preperation goes into every game. Nice find Marshy babes.
    *Except Michael, who died.

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      #3
      as i have mentioned before i played hockey and we put more preperation in than some people think huge football clubs with all the tech and coaches do.

      i once saw something it may have been on motd or something. It had seaman and that lad that derby had and was good when they were in the prem. They watched endless videos of the next opponent and were drilled in what a forward would do in any situation.

      this was quite a long time ago obviously so its only going to be more now.

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        #4
        Sounded like Craig_H

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          #5
          I read that this morning. It was interesting as Alex says.

          And it also confirms the long-held suspicion that none of knows anything significant about the top level of professional football beyond vague generalities. We can distinguish between decent football and the crap we were playing under Hodgson and we have some idea about some of the more obvious tactical niceties (formation, marking schemes, etc.) but when it comes to analysing anything more detailed we don't really know what we're looking at or for.

          We were probably in a far better position to discuss all the boardroom b*ll*cks we spent most of 2010 on than we are analysing football matches at the level of detail we go into on here.

          Of course that might change if the media started doing their jobs anything like properly.
          .
          Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.



          May the Lord bless this post.

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            #6
            Originally posted by Alex View Post
            **** me what a brilliant article. Thats exactly the sort of post match analysis that the game needs. That peice on defending corners makes alot of sense.

            I didnt realise so much individual preperation goes into every game. Nice find Marshy babes.


            I can't really think of any commentator that gets down to it like this.

            In almost every other sport they do, except football, it's bizarre. I'd love it if football had the same quality analysis that American football gets! Or cricket.

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              #7
              Originally posted by Neil Young View Post
              I read that this morning. It was interesting as Alex says.

              And it also confirms the long-held suspicion that none of knows anything significant about the top level of professional football beyond vague generalities. We can distinguish between decent football and the crap we were playing under Hodgson and we have some idea about some of the more obvious tactical niceties (formation, marking schemes, etc.) but when it comes to analysing anything more detailed we don't really know what we're looking at or for.

              We were probably in a far better position to discuss all the boardroom b*ll*cks we spent most of 2010 on than we are analysing football matches at the level of detail we go into on here.

              Of course that might change if the media started doing their jobs anything like properly.


              Although you have to wonder how universal that approach is given what managers like Redknapp say. I guess it is possible that 'Arry has simply always been angling for his sons job when he retires.
              "The man who never alters his opinion is like standing water, and breeds reptiles of the mind."
              -- William Blake

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                #8
                I've checked with my mate who works at The Guardian and he says the office swear it's legit but won't tell anyone who it is.
                The King was back for a short while. Long live The King.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Neil Young View Post
                  I read that this morning. It was interesting as Alex says.

                  And it also confirms the long-held suspicion that none of knows anything significant about the top level of professional football beyond vague generalities. We can distinguish between decent football and the crap we were playing under Hodgson and we have some idea about some of the more obvious tactical niceties (formation, marking schemes, etc.) but when it comes to analysing anything more detailed we don't really know what we're looking at or for.

                  We were probably in a far better position to discuss all the boardroom b*ll*cks we spent most of 2010 on than we are analysing football matches at the level of detail we go into on here.

                  Of course that might change if the media started doing their jobs anything like properly.
                  This article made me wonder about whether this is true of all sides managers or just some. If we assume all then does/should this alter the criticism we gave Roy for his rigidly planned approach? Or is it that the case that the higher up the league you have to have more flexibility and players who are better judging situations prefer freedom making it harder to impose rigid tactics upon them?
                  "The man who never alters his opinion is like standing water, and breeds reptiles of the mind."
                  -- William Blake

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                    #10
                    Everyone seems to think this is David James.
                    Thanks very much for being ‘This Mornings’ Farmer’

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                      #11
                      Robbie Savage.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by kingfunk View Post
                        Robbie Savage.
                        Can't be.

                        He doesn't once mention himself in the article.

                        As listeners of 606 will tell you Robbie Savages' favorite topic of conversation is Robbie Savage.

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                          #13
                          Its him, he now thinks he is the Stig of football.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by kingfunk View Post
                            Its him, he now thinks he is the Stig of football.
                            He'd be better off back in the dump

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                              #15
                              Clarke Carlisle ?

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