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    Six key questions on why top clubs could stage a European revolt

    • Europe's biggest clubs could start breakaway league in 2014
    • Owners motivated by possibility of generating more money

    Matt Scott, Wednesday 27 July 2011 22.57 BST
    guardian.co.uk



    Players like Chelsea's Fernando Torres can help generate huge amounts of money for clubs through sponsors and broadcasters. Photograph: Raf Sanchez/Getty Images

    Who are the teams involved?

    It is the biggest brands in football that are driving this agenda. Between them Bayern Munich, Real Madrid, Internazionale, Milan, Manchester United, Liverpool and Barcelona have won 36 European Cup and Champions League titles, almost two-thirds of those played. Where these clubs play money will undoubtedly follow.

    Added to this are Arsenal and Chelsea who, despite never having won Europe's elite trophy, boast international fanbases that would assist in driving the revenues of a competition. There would also be invitations to the other big names from across Europe: Juventus, Roma, Ajax, Porto, Marseille and a few others — Manchester City perhaps?

    Why do they want to do it?

    The short answer is: money. And lots of it. A new breed of football owner has emerged who does not see the proprietorship of their sporting assets as a benevolent activity. Men such as Silvio Berlusconi have used football club ownership to push a popular political agenda, or Roman Abramovich to raise his profile overseas with a trophy asset. Both have been content to sustain huge losses in support of their clubs. But the US owners who began entering the football market with the 2005 Glazer takeover of Manchester United are used to generating cash from their sports franchises. They consider it insane that almost every entity at the top of the world's most popular sport haemorrhages cash.

    How could they make a breakaway actually happen?

    Legally they would be entitled to break away from football's existing structures in 2014 when the current accord between the clubs and Uefa, which in the Champions League runs the club game's most lucrative competition, elapses.

    Eyeballs follow Lionel Messi, Wayne Rooney and Fernando Torres wherever they go. And with fan interest come the dollars of sponsors and broadcasters – as Fifa has found with the explosion of its revenues over the past decade and a half.

    In 1997 Fifa's entire annual revenue was $22.5m; by 2009, at the same stage in a World Cup cycle because it was also one year before a tournament took place, Fifa had generated $1bn from their events. With that amount of money to share between them the clubs could make anything happen.

    How would a breakaway work?

    To maximise revenues and to provide security of income for those clubs involved, access to the tournament is likely to be restricted. Although a closed league would probably not play well with European fans used to promotion and relegation, a simple play-off system for a single place may be the kind of sop that clubs aim to get away with.

    Similarly to the existing Uefa Champions League, it would probably be a midweek tournament. Already Real Madrid and Barcelona operate B teams in lower leagues – top clubs would hope to employ such second strings in their national-league commitments. Domestic competitors may not like the elite breaking away but are unlikely to tell them they cannot play in traditional competitions since their incomes are tied to those of the big guns.

    What about international football and the World Cup?

    Arguably the biggest gripe among clubs is the international fixture calendar. The early‑August friendly date has angered the game's employers since they must release their players at exactly the time they want to be organising friendly matches of their own: lucrative pre-season tours overseas.

    If 20 teams are to participate in a fixed tournament, as well as the introduction of an end-of-season knockout competition along the lines of US sports' play-offs, there will be no room for the top players to commit to biennial international tournaments. This, clearly, would be the most politically sensitive area of the elite clubs' plans but its impact may be softened by the clubs pooling their players in a separate tournament played in international shirts – but without Fifa involvement.

    Why is it different this time?

    Clubs have indeed been down this route before, when the combative Florentino Pérez of Real Madrid was chairman of the G14 movement. A strategy document developed in 2007 by the G14's then general manager, Thomas Kurth, talked of "a detachment of the top professional level from all remaining levels underneath, if this was agreed upon by the clubs".

    The threat petered out after Uefa pledged to distribute a bigger share of Champions League income to the clubs. But they regretted not taking on Fifa at the time and, in the world governing body's moment of weakness, the clubs are sensing their opportunity anew. The arrival of US owners, Uefa's dirigiste financial fair play rules and the lack of profitability for clubs are combining to create a critical mass.

    #2
    Originally posted by MrsB View Post
    • Europe's biggest clubs could start breakaway league in 2014
    • Owners motivated by possibility of generating more money

    Matt Scott, Wednesday 27 July 2011 22.57 BST
    guardian.co.uk



    Players like Chelsea's Fernando Torres can help generate huge amounts of money for clubs through sponsors and broadcasters. Photograph: Raf Sanchez/Getty Images

    Who are the teams involved?

    It is the biggest brands in football that are driving this agenda. Between them Bayern Munich, Real Madrid, Internazionale, Milan, Manchester United, Liverpool and Barcelona have won 36 European Cup and Champions League titles, almost two-thirds of those played. Where these clubs play money will undoubtedly follow.

    Added to this are Arsenal and Chelsea who, despite never having won Europe's elite trophy, boast international fanbases that would assist in driving the revenues of a competition. There would also be invitations to the other big names from across Europe: Juventus, Roma, Ajax, Porto, Marseille and a few others — Manchester City perhaps?

    Why do they want to do it?

    The short answer is: money. And lots of it. A new breed of football owner has emerged who does not see the proprietorship of their sporting assets as a benevolent activity. Men such as Silvio Berlusconi have used football club ownership to push a popular political agenda, or Roman Abramovich to raise his profile overseas with a trophy asset. Both have been content to sustain huge losses in support of their clubs. But the US owners who began entering the football market with the 2005 Glazer takeover of Manchester United are used to generating cash from their sports franchises. They consider it insane that almost every entity at the top of the world's most popular sport haemorrhages cash.

    How could they make a breakaway actually happen?

    Legally they would be entitled to break away from football's existing structures in 2014 when the current accord between the clubs and Uefa, which in the Champions League runs the club game's most lucrative competition, elapses.

    Eyeballs follow Lionel Messi, Wayne Rooney and Fernando Torres wherever they go. And with fan interest come the dollars of sponsors and broadcasters – as Fifa has found with the explosion of its revenues over the past decade and a half.

    In 1997 Fifa's entire annual revenue was $22.5m; by 2009, at the same stage in a World Cup cycle because it was also one year before a tournament took place, Fifa had generated $1bn from their events. With that amount of money to share between them the clubs could make anything happen.

    How would a breakaway work?

    To maximise revenues and to provide security of income for those clubs involved, access to the tournament is likely to be restricted. Although a closed league would probably not play well with European fans used to promotion and relegation, a simple play-off system for a single place may be the kind of sop that clubs aim to get away with.

    Similarly to the existing Uefa Champions League, it would probably be a midweek tournament. Already Real Madrid and Barcelona operate B teams in lower leagues – top clubs would hope to employ such second strings in their national-league commitments. Domestic competitors may not like the elite breaking away but are unlikely to tell them they cannot play in traditional competitions since their incomes are tied to those of the big guns.

    What about international football and the World Cup?

    Arguably the biggest gripe among clubs is the international fixture calendar. The early‑August friendly date has angered the game's employers since they must release their players at exactly the time they want to be organising friendly matches of their own: lucrative pre-season tours overseas.

    If 20 teams are to participate in a fixed tournament, as well as the introduction of an end-of-season knockout competition along the lines of US sports' play-offs, there will be no room for the top players to commit to biennial international tournaments. This, clearly, would be the most politically sensitive area of the elite clubs' plans but its impact may be softened by the clubs pooling their players in a separate tournament played in international shirts – but without Fifa involvement.

    Why is it different this time?

    Clubs have indeed been down this route before, when the combative Florentino Pérez of Real Madrid was chairman of the G14 movement. A strategy document developed in 2007 by the G14's then general manager, Thomas Kurth, talked of "a detachment of the top professional level from all remaining levels underneath, if this was agreed upon by the clubs".

    The threat petered out after Uefa pledged to distribute a bigger share of Champions League income to the clubs. But they regretted not taking on Fifa at the time and, in the world governing body's moment of weakness, the clubs are sensing their opportunity anew. The arrival of US owners, Uefa's dirigiste financial fair play rules and the lack of profitability for clubs are combining to create a critical mass.
    No way this will ever happen. Never. They get their money from their fans and they prefer domestic leagues for tradition, old rivalry etc. (my opinion that is)

    "Justice has been done."

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      #3
      I hope this happens, not the breakaway league but FIFA shelling out loads and loads of money to the clubs.

      F*cking cnuts. Why the hell do they deserve a billion dollars for organizing an event
      Patience when teased often, transforms into rage

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        #4
        I think the way they organise internationals is pathetic. why o why are the players having to play in non competion games at the start of a season. The fans of clubs pay their wages yet international take these players, and as we know they can come back with injuries. This I think is due in part to the change in training procedures, a player training one way then asked to change to another without any time to adjust.
        It's a prediction thread on a wish list.

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          #5
          So this would effectively do away with ffp ?

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            #6
            Something like this needs to happen in my opinion. The top teams are generating so much more money than the smaller. (I exclude Man City from this because they are not generating cash)

            Id like to see a sort of European league, but played over the course of the season in place of the Champions League, one that runs along side the Prem possibly. It would generate us alot more money. But to be honest we cant compete domestically at the moment, so we wont have a chance in europe.
            *Except Michael, who died.

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              #7
              It isn't about having a chance in Europe, it is about getting our share of the $$ fairly and being able to compete more.

              Why the heck does FIFA get a billion dollars for organizing the World Cup when the clubs just get 40 million of that as 'wages' for their participation?
              Patience when teased often, transforms into rage

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                #8
                It's not about fairness or justice, it's about power and money (as ever).

                So I can see something like this happening - the key point is the arrival of American owners, including our own, who aim to make money.

                FIFA is weak and I don't know how much room for manoeuvre UEFA have in terms of distributing more Champions League money.

                The clubs have the players and the clubs have the power - I think the only question is whether they have the will.
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                Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.



                May the Lord bless this post.

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                  #9
                  Despite the cash explosion, we still have basically the same teams at the top and always will be. Overinflating the whole market has done nothing to change the hierarchy but just fleeces the fans and endangers clubs which try to make the leap up before the ladder gets out of reach. If Liverpool generate twice as much cash, but so do all our rivals and competitors how does that help anyone except the players?

                  Owners who think their profitability will in anyway grow due to increased turnover have obviously been sat in a cave on the dark side of the moon with their eyes shut and fingers in their ears over the last 20 years.
                  "that is my opinion and that is more important than what anyone else has to say about it" - Mr A.Fergusson, Oct 2011

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                    #10
                    Fair point mates.
                    Trey Nyoni: countdown to stardom- 2 years 1year 0.5 years

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by BillobShaisley View Post
                      [B]Despite the cash explosion, we still have basically the same teams at the top and always will be. Overinflating the whole market has done nothing to change the hierarchy [/B]but just fleeces the fans and endangers clubs which try to make the leap up before the ladder gets out of reach. If Liverpool generate twice as much cash, but so do all our rivals and competitors how does that help anyone except the players?

                      Owners who think their profitability will in anyway grow due to increased turnover have obviously been sat in a cave on the dark side of the moon with their eyes shut and fingers in their ears over the last 20 years.
                      Isnt exactly true though is it? Tell me the last time the Chavs Pre-Abramobitch & Citeh (pre Sheikh) challenged.
                      3rd place. Worst champions ever.

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                        #12
                        The players will be happy.
                        Brandt - Keita - Van Dijk - Sessegnon

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by PC Plod View Post
                          Isnt exactly true though is it? Tell me the last time the Chavs Pre-Abramobitch & Citeh (pre Sheikh) challenged.
                          Norwich once came second! You get a little variation, it is a sport still, just about. How much profit do either of those teams generate again?

                          Have any of the old guard been removed (except Juve for match fixing) in any of europes big leagues? No matter how much cash is generated by the big tournaments, clubs will have to spend it all on players to compete.

                          Not saying it wont happen, but if it does they still wont make any money but we'll all get fleeced more and more until we all get pissed off and do an AFC Wimbledon and claim our clubs back with a replacement closer to what we started with and the bubble bursts.
                          "that is my opinion and that is more important than what anyone else has to say about it" - Mr A.Fergusson, Oct 2011

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Neil Young View Post
                            It's not about fairness or justice, it's about power and money (as ever).

                            So I can see something like this happening - the key point is the arrival of American owners, including our own, who aim to make money.

                            FIFA is weak and I don't know how much room for manoeuvre UEFA have in terms of distributing more Champions League money.

                            The clubs have the players and the clubs have the power - I think the only question is whether they have the will.
                            I think that several sources have suggested that Americans looking at the Champions League think that it is not generating anywhere near the amount it could. It generates a lot less money despite comparable (probably higher) viewing figures to the Super Bowl for the final. It also has global penetration meaning that markets like China could allow the viewership and value to be grown in the future too.

                            I think there was a good article on this in The Blizzard issue 0 (Might be wrong and it was an article on SI.com)
                            "The man who never alters his opinion is like standing water, and breeds reptiles of the mind."
                            -- William Blake

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