Manchester City

[DeanoUK]

No mate, that's little Englander bollocks.

AC Milan have been banned from European football for FFP breaches.

They're one of the most illustrious names in European football.

They have also cooperated with UEFAs investigation.

PSG aren't in the clear yet but they're also co-operating.

Citeh just ****ed UEFA and their investigation off

Woh I think little Englander bollocks is a bit much. That’s not who I am.

AC Milan have been banned from Europa league and only 1 season. Presumably that would be CL if they had qualified. Who knows. Maybe it’s purely due to City’s arrogance/not assisting - I’d understand if that was the rationale.

[Exiled_red]

So does does this mean Stevie G gets a legitimate league winners medal?

I doubt it when Juventus were stripped of the titles they weren't awarded to anyone else.

People think that the team in 2nd should get it but it doesn't really follow, think back to the 2017-18 season Man Utd finished 19 points behind City in 2nd, we finished about 6 points behind Man Utd. because the title was long gone and we were in the latter stages of the CL, we focused on the CL. Our approach to those last few PL games would probably have been very different if we were chasing Man Utd rather than Man City as we were

[Exiled_red]

Woh I think little Englander bollocks is a bit much. That’s not who I am.

AC Milan have been banned from Europa league and only 1 season. Presumably that would be CL if they had qualified. Who knows. Maybe it’s purely due to City’s arrogance/not assisting - I’d understand if that was the rationale.

I think their attitude is part of it but also if they have done what is alleged they haven't just failed to meet the rules they have lied in their reporting of their situation and willfully deceived UEFA on the issue, in an attempt to hide the offence(s) and that should carry a higher penalty.

Also weren't they fined previously, making this a second offence? Taking this into account you could maybe argue the penalty isn't harsh enough

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Woh I think little Englander bollocks is a bit much. That’s not who I am.

AC Milan have been banned from Europa league and only 1 season. Presumably that would be CL if they had qualified. Who knows. Maybe it’s purely due to City’s arrogance/not assisting - I’d understand if that was the rationale.

Your assumption that UEFA are making a stand against clubs because they're English is why i called it 'little Englander bollocks'

Despite their current struggles Milan are European royalty. If they can be banned from UEFAs competitions then it surely points to this being an almost blanket approach by UEFA.

I say almost as i'd never in a million years envisage a situation where Real Madrid are banned.

[DeanoUK]

Your assumption that UEFA are making a stand against clubs because they're English is why i called it 'little Englander bollocks'



Despite their current struggles Milan are European royalty. If they can be banned from UEFAs competitions then it surely points to this being an almost blanket approach by UEFA.



I say almost as i'd never in a million years envisage a situation where Real Madrid are banned.

Yes I know why you said it. Obviously I have a (conscious bias) but little Englander is extreme.

This forum is becoming more and more toxic.

[Exiled_red]

Clearly City are going to challenge this on the basis of it not being an independent process (as they have claimed multiple times in public) as well as any other technicality that they can find.

But I have also seen suggestions that they might challenge the legal basis of FFP. Now my understanding is that all clubs had to agree to FFP in order to participate in UEFA competitions and effectively as it is their competition they are able to make the rules that they want, so is there really a basis for such a challenge? Or can other non-footballing laws (such as competition laws) overturn this rule?

[spud_gun]

Yes I know why you said it. Obviously I have a (conscious bias) but little Englander is extreme.

This forum is becoming more and more toxic.

No fella you can't do that. You can't bemoan the toxcitiy or otherwise of the forum because you've been called out on what was frankly a ridiculous post on your part.

Perhaps best if we all just move along and get back to the topic at hand.

For what it's worth i think i don't think i'd ever associate the word toxic with this forum.

[DeanoUK]

A ‘ridiculous’ post. Sure thanks for that. I will endeavour to ensure I don’t provoke discussion going forward.

If you got put me on ignore or whatever so you can’t see my posts I’d appreciate it.

[ChesterDave]

Or can other non-footballing laws (such as competition laws) overturn this rule?

Surely any competition entry can have any qualification criteria, especially so in sport. Whether that is the right for an athlete, tennis/snooker/darts player or football club to enter. Nobody is denying city the right to exist as a football club - Bury still exist as a football club they have just been booted out the league. They can still operate as a football club as can Manchester City but to participate in a particular competition they just have to operate in a particular way which they have failed to do according to this ruling.

Financial stipulations should be treated no different from league position as a qualifying criteria.

[spud_gun]

A ‘ridiculous’ post. Sure thanks for that. I will endeavour to ensure I don’t provoke discussion going forward.

If you got put me on ignore or whatever so you can’t see my posts I’d appreciate it.

Get over yourself

'I know I’ll get pelters for this, but does it not seem the English clubs are always where suddenly a stand is taken?'

Posting bollocks like that isn't provoking discussion. It's jingoism that deserves to be called out for what it is.

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[DeanoUK]

Get over yourself

Likewise.

[Fivex]

Clearly City are going to challenge this on the basis of it not being an independent process (as they have claimed multiple times in public) as well as any other technicality that they can find.

But I have also seen suggestions that they might challenge the legal basis of FFP. Now my understanding is that all clubs had to agree to FFP in order to participate in UEFA competitions and effectively as it is their competition they are able to make the rules that they want, so is there really a basis for such a challenge? Or can other non-footballing laws (such as competition laws) overturn this rule?

I was thinking about this last night, banning them from entering a competition for not playing by the rules cant be a ‘restraint of trade’

That would be the same as a player saying they’re being prevented from working, because they got a red card in the previous game.

City can pay every single one of their employees £5m a week if they want, and they can become the Harlem Globetrotters touring the world for exhibition games. Doesn’t stop city from being a viable business, selling merchandise and match tickets etc. However if they want to enter the same centralised competitions as everyone else, they need to play by the agreed rules - I just can’t see any argument to say FFP is anti-business or whatever the argument is.

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[Leyton388]

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