Everton

[Charly]

If you are going to sue, it has to be quantified, surely?

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If you are going to sue, it has to be quantified, surely?

It can't be quantified as points vs pounds directly, I think the case is on the basis that the punishment has been deemed worthy of 10 points so if that were applied in the season the outcome for those clubs would have been different.

[Deano]

There is a precedent tho, West Ham when they signed Masher and tevez, they had to settle their with Wednesday etc, etc.

The guilty plea and the ten points is nowt its the possibility that they will have to pay £100m's in compo.

if thye lose the appeal I can see 777 walking away and where does that leave them ?

[Deano]

Dan Roan from the Beeb

ssure swirling around the Premier League's regulatory process as these controversies rumble on.

It does little for the reputation of the league that so many Everton fans - and some pundits - clearly believe the club is an easy target, and that with an independent football regulator on the horizon, an example has been made of them.

Everton also believe the heaviest points deduction in the league's history is excessive for a £19m over-spend. The club insist various unexpected factors were reasonable mitigation for such losses, and contrast the 10-point deduction with the £3.5m fines applied to the six English teams that were members of the European Super League (ESL) plot in 2021.

The Premier League would deny any suggestion Everton have been singled out, of course, and would make the point that ultimately it was an independent commission that decided the punishment.

Many believe the profit and sustainability rules are there for a very good reason - to prevent clubs living beyond their means, and that it was time they were enforced after years of criticism that the league was too 'hands-off' when it came to regulating owners and levels of spending. Especially in the case of a club whose breach was "serious" and whose culpability was "great", according to the commission.

Clubs that have stuck by these rules will no doubt welcome the ruling, and praise the Premier League for establishing the regulations, and then defending the integrity of the competition by showing it is serious about upholding them.

But the fallout and division that follows could be painful.

The old saying was that 'the table doesn't lie'. That where teams finish in the league is ultimately a fair reflection of their quality. The credibility of any sporting competition depends on this, especially one of the most popular in the world.

In the Premier League this season, that sense of fairness and justice has already been shaken by a crisis of confidence in officiating amid high-profile errors by the video assistant referee (VAR) system.

But what if teams' fates are now increasingly dictated by the calculations of accountants, the arguments of lawyers and the verdicts of commissions, rather than simply the performances of their players? What if past achievements stretching back years are now tainted by rule-breaking, and doubt is cast over titles and relegation battles? What if trust is dent

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Dan Roan from the Beeb



But what if teams' fates are now increasingly dictated by the calculations of accountants, the arguments of lawyers and the verdicts of commissions, rather than simply the performances of their players? What if past achievements stretching back years are now tainted by rule-breaking, and doubt is cast over titles and relegation battles? What if trust is dent

I don't really like how this paragraph ends the article, it reads to me a bit like we should let it be. The clubs under investigation now people have been calling out as dodgy for years, Man City certainly and also Chelsea going back more or less to Abramovich's take over, alot of fans thought that something was off. Perhaps if the the authorities had investigated what was before their eyes more swiftly in those cases we wouldn't have been looking at so many tainted titles etc. Also if the first side had been properly punished in a timely manner then subsequent cases might not have happened...

[Deano]

I don't really like how this paragraph ends the article, it reads to me a bit like we should let it be. The clubs under investigation now people have been calling out as dodgy for years, Man City certainly and also Chelsea going back more or less to Abramovich's take over, alot of fans thought that something was off. Perhaps if the the authorities had investigated what was before their eyes more swiftly in those cases we wouldn't have been looking at so many tainted titles etc. Also if the first side had been properly punished in a timely manner then subsequent cases might not have happened...

Agreed, Sorry, I'm in the you broke ****ing rules, we warned you, you still went ahead, pay the ****ing price, plus you mislead us, you know you did ?

Now face the consequence !

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SwissRamble breakdown of Everton's financial situation

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[frank the tank]

Won't be popular on here but I think Everton should feel seriously hard done by. Was it £15m over the allowed losses? That's so small and you'd think that I small increase in revenues would've cut those losses. I don't think it can be classed ad cheating.

The Chelsea and Man City situations and far far more grave. If punishment is based on a scale, those two should be relegated 2 divisions with a 5yr transfer embargo, and I'm not joking

Yip I agree with you. I don't know all of the details (because a large part of me doesn't give a ****!) but it looks like perhaps Everton have been ****ed over because of their transparency compared to City.

What is kinda funny about the whole everton thing is though is that (1) it was all for nothing. They were a better team when they had a lot less money because they bought the right type of player in terms of attitude etc. As soon as they got a few bob, that went out the window and they bought a load of ****e:
Klassen for 30m,
Sigurdsson for 45m.
Tosun for 27m.
Grabin 25m
Delph 8m
Niasse 25m
Bolasie 35m
Wallcott 25m
Iwobi 35m
Godfrey 25m
Allan 25m

plus a load of players that were loans / cheap enough but cost a load on wages. Andre Gomes for 25m ha ha. Neal Maupay for 15m!!!!

There is a good 300m pissed down the drain where they'd have been better off bringing through their young fellas. All of the players I mentioned have pretty much zero resale value. ****in diabolical....


At least in Man City's case, they went and won everything there is. ****in treble and all. So even when they (hopefully) do get done for cheating, it will almost have been worth in.

In Everton's case, they have actually turned out to be a worse team ha ha.

[frank the tank]

I don't really like how this paragraph ends the article, it reads to me a bit like we should let it be. The clubs under investigation now people have been calling out as dodgy for years, Man City certainly and also Chelsea going back more or less to Abramovich's take over, alot of fans thought that something was off. Perhaps if the the authorities had investigated what was before their eyes more swiftly in those cases we wouldn't have been looking at so many tainted titles etc. Also if the first side had been properly punished in a timely manner then subsequent cases might not have happened...

The premier league / fa have ****ed up really big time here. Because if the likes of City and Chelsea are found to be dodgy as ****, then taking titles off them only shows their "product" for the total bull**** sham that it is.

I've not looked too much into the rules but my understanding of the FFP thing is to prevent Leeds United under Risdale scenarios?? So that a club doesn't effectively gamble it's future on the team being successful???

Unpopular stance here - and I don't 100% agree with this - but there is an argument to state that if the clubs are funded in a way that doesn't risk the clubs existence, then what is the harm with what City / Newcastle are doing? If Ethiad are sponsoring them to the tune of 200m a season when it should effectively be 20m, as long as the money is secure, then who cares? Maybe there needs to be a proof-of-funds scenario for each club proactively at the start of each season and once they get the licence, then happy days?

Because the current set up risks showing up the league for being a total sham if they are not careful. If Chelsea under Abramovich and City under Sheik Mansour (or whatever the **** he is called) are shown to be total cheating cunts that they are, then 12of the last 19 league titles are null and ****in void - and that makes their whole league a total farce.

Also, if the likes of Leicester and Burnley do sue Everton and get paid, then every club who has lost out on prize money, income from winning leagues, income from qualifying for champions leagues etc........ they all have a legit case then too. Where does it ****in end?!??!??

[ChesterDave]

Also, if the likes of Leicester and Burnley do sue Everton and get paid, then every club who has lost out on prize money, income from winning leagues, income from qualifying for champions leagues etc........ they all have a legit case then too. Where does it ****in end?!??!??

Not a problem in the case of Everton, is it?

[frank the tank]

Not a problem in the case of Everton, is it?

Yip. I was talking about Chelsea and Man City.

[BG1973]

Unpopular stance here - and I don't 100% agree with this - but there is an argument to state that if the clubs are funded in a way that doesn't risk the clubs existence, then what is the harm with what City / Newcastle are doing? If Ethiad are sponsoring them to the tune of 200m a season when it should effectively be 20m, as long as the money is secure, then who cares? Maybe there needs to be a proof-of-funds scenario for each club proactively at the start of each season and once they get the licence, then happy days?

The overspend creates huge inflation throughout the game though with potentially disastrous consquences for clubs without the sugar Sheikhs.

[Charly]

Also, if they run out of money for whatever reason the club goes under as they are loaded with the unsustainable wages or costs.

[Charly]

Yip. I was talking about Chelsea and Man City.

Problem is we had rules that they broke... fair or not

[frank the tank]

Totally agree that the Premier league should throw the book at these cunts but i juat can't see it happening. Their product is impacted as soon as the start saying "ehhh you know 14 of the last 21 titles......... They are all bollocks"