Inappropriate Metaphors

[little dave hedgehog]

i think that slaughtered or some such is a more apt feeling description than raped because in football it's us against them by nature. both teams are out to damage one another in a footballing sense, so it's not like one side is being meaner than the other by being better at the game. rape implies that one side was just strolling through the park one day and the other held them down and played football on them forcibly. plus it's offensive because people get raped in this day and age just for being female, or just for being perceived as weak, and it's perpetrated by truly evil people.

[dom9]

Ta.

Aye, hide it well eh?

You certainly do.

[Helios Creed]

you can use it as in "rape the land", but yeah, I've always found slightly offensive and wouldn't say that we were raped by Spurs in front of a woman (I suppose if you made it more clear that it was man on man that would be better from that point of view) - but then footie forums tend to have a men's locker room environment, hence young eejits claiming that they would "split" whatever fit famous lady "in two". (You just have to hope there's some irony relating to the actual size of the weapon involved there..), but I digress.

I would imagine that Souness might be in trouble over that one...

[dom9]

i think that slaughtered or some such is a more apt feeling description than raped because in football it's us against them by nature. both teams are out to damage one another in a footballing sense, so it's not like one side is being meaner than the other by being better at the game. rape implies that one side was just strolling through the park one day and the other held them down and played football on them forcibly. plus it's offensive because people get raped in this day and age just for being female, or just for being perceived as weak, and it's perpetrated by truly evil people.

and, it gives a completely new slant on the phrase 'balls deep'.

[the rev leeroy brown]

this thread. bit "out there" in the general football thread to be discussing "rape" and "murder"

[Roboklopp]

I tend to think the difference in the perception is one of entrenchment- ie we are used to hearing the word "murder" in it's non-literal sense- in sporting terms in this case. The use of the rape analogy is relatively new & is arguably more shocking for that reason. It is also possible people have started using it cos the metaphor if being murdered us now so entrenched within our psyche in these terms that it's lost the majority of it's impact.

I think where the rape analogy is concerned, it is the vulnerablity and humiliation facets that are common which are the ones that some consider appropriate & others shocking. Hog alludes to this a bit in his post above about the unilaterality of rape vs. a battle and a murder I suppose.

[Roboklopp]

this thread. bit "out there" in the general football thread to be discussing "rape" and "murder"

Thought that myself, but at least everyone gets their say here. Most don't go in the Library cos of its aging guarddog.

[Neil Young]

I tend to think the difference in the perception is one of entrenchment- ie we are used to hearing the word "murder" in it's non-literal sense- in sporting terms in this case. The use of the rape analogy is relatively new & is arguably more shocking for that reason. It is also possible people have started using it cos the metaphor if being murdered us now so entrenched within our psyche in these terms that it's lost the majority of it's impact.

I think where the rape analogy is concerned, it is the vulnerablity and humiliation facets that are common which are the ones that some consider appropriate & others shocking. Hog alludes to this a bit in his post above about the unilaterality of rape vs. a battle and a murder I suppose.

I agree with much of that (and with Hogboy's post above). 'Rape' certainly seems a more common usage than it used to be.

Thought that myself, but at least everyone gets their say here. Most don't go in the Library cos of its aging guarddog.

[Icon]

It's a ****ing horrible word - end of..!

[Vermilion]

Rape.

Wtf?

Seen it used a few times recently and I simply don't understand why you would use that word to describe one footballer running past another with a football.

Answers on postcard please.

Generally used by kids and retards.

[Vermilion]

It's a ****ing horrible word - end of..!

No no no, the world is lovely, a truly wonderful place.

Some of it's inhabitants however ?

[Helios Creed]

I tend to think the difference in the perception is one of entrenchment- ie we are used to hearing the word "murder" in it's non-literal sense- in sporting terms in this case. The use of the rape analogy is relatively new & is arguably more shocking for that reason. It is also possible people have started using it cos the metaphor if being murdered us now so entrenched within our psyche in these terms that it's lost the majority of it's impact.

I think where the rape analogy is concerned, it is the vulnerablity and humiliation facets that are common which are the ones that some consider appropriate & others shocking. Hog alludes to this a bit in his post above about the unilaterality of rape vs. a battle and a murder I suppose.

Using "rape" has dramatic or even humorous effect because it is shocking.

[James P]

It's simply because to me is 'rape' always connotes the literal meaning, even when the metaphorical usage is unequivocal and grasped immediately. Whereas, for some reason, 'murder' as a metaphor exists independently of the original meaning.

Agree. The notion of murder, death, slaughter etc have been entirely subsumed into every day usage: 'The traffic was murder', 'I went out with mates and got slaughtered' and so on. Indeed, the impact of the word is greatly lessened as a result.

'Rape', on the other hand, has no such 'softened' usage, and I detest the phrase 'Touch of a rapist' more than any of the (very very many) swear words used on here. The problem for me is that in very basic and general terms, 'murder' is a non-gender specific term, whereas 'rape' is far more gender specific and therefore has a far more unpleasant tone to it.

[James P]

Using "rape" has dramatic or even humorous effect because it is shocking.

Dramatic, possibly. Shocking, yes. Humorous, not, IMHO.

[Helios Creed]

Dramatic, possibly. Shocking, yes. Humorous, not, IMHO.

not to you, but to some immature minds it is - part of the shock value - they're shocked and laugh nervously along with the others when they hear it, then use it themselves..