Andy Carroll

[Alex]

Id guess we could make this fee go up to £20m. But thats as much as we can get. Shame, id still rather keep him.

[The Birdman]

I think we should keep Carroll but the manager has to have 100% backing so if he wants him gone then so be it.

Turn down every offer from Newcastle though. **** them.
If we decide to let Carroll go then there will be at least half a dozen other clubs interested in him

[Bender]

well what ever way we take a huge loss on him,think it would be better to do a player exhcange + cash for lfc to get the best out of the deal and not just with newcastle there are other clubs keen on carroll

[Daniel 7]

Cabaye + Tiote + £5m

[Kenneth]

As suspected, we're playing this through the media.

I expect all offers to be 'leaked', loans to be 'dismissed' and this all to be very, very public.

because we want to sell him. Does it matter?

[Roboklopp]

Embarassing.

[dom9]

As suspected, we're playing this through the media.

I expect all offers to be 'leaked', loans to be 'dismissed' and this all to be very, very public.

We?

[Kenneth]

Embarassing.

Just grow thicker skin.

[dww]

because we want to sell him. Does it matter?

Depends on whether it makes us look less attractive to other players because of the way we treat him. We're not the most attractive option for many players any way if we are seen to be bad employers then I think that makes the task harder still.

On the other hand this is more or less the norm for footballers now and I can't imagine that the footballers of Germany and Spain spend a lot of time reading the BBC gossip column.

[lickedlollipop]

loan?

[cream]

£17m would be ****ing amazing business.

[Pablo]

£17m would be ****ing amazing business.

Good deal at that price IMO

Although it's still ****ed up that selling at half the price you bought for is deemed to be "amazing business" though

[Shanks]

If Andy Carroll was the top scorer in the prem last season, would Rodgers still be looking to get rid?

[cream]

Andy Carroll wasn't the top scorer in the league last season.

[baronvonskidmark]

the manager has to have 100% backing so if he wants him gone then so be it.

To me, this sums the entire situation up - but there is the worry that if we don't start the season on fire, some fans will turn on Rodgers. A quick glance at RAWK and this is already beginning.

Thing is, I don't really get why Carroll is being built up to be something he is not. He never really did the business for us and personally I think we played our best football when he was injured. The lad found it really hard to adapt to Dalglish' system (whatever that was) and his skill set is totally at odds with what a Rodgers team seems to require. We all know that Carroll's main weakness seem to be his movement and that is precisely the attribute that is fundamental to a pass and move team. It was also really frustrating when he might make a decent lay off 30 yards or so from goal and then just jog towards the 18 yard box - he never really seemed to have that hunger or desperation to get himself in the box and grab a goal. Goals such as the hat-trick that Kuyt scored against United would never be scored by Carroll as he simply wouldn't have the anticipation to be in the right place at the right time. So it's not as if he had some kind of predatory instinct that might mitigate his lack of movement or contribution to the build-up play. I just can't see him being anything other than totally lost in a Rodgers team.

Also the idea that he should be some sort of Plan B doesn't really do us - or him - any favours at all. Plan Bs are Plan Bs for a reason and we need to concentrate on establishing and improving a Plan A first. The team needs to be built around players such as Lucas and Suarez, and these are players who would probably never give the correct type of supply that Carroll would need. I think it is totally unfair on the lad to expect him to accept staying on the bench until the last 20 mins or so when winning teams are defending their 18 yard box and only then give him any game time. Also, from looking over various forums, it seems that Swansea had such faith in their system that they would stick with it right until the end and not play long balls into the opponents box. So would he get any game time even then?

I think we need to back Rodgers' judgement and have faith in his plans for us on this one - otherwise why on earth did we hire him - and I think this decision will actually benefit both Andy and ourselves. Personally I haven't felt this optimistic about a new manager since Rafa first joined so I am totally behind the manager's judgement on this one. I see it, as I hope the players do, as a positive sign for the future where a manager is self-assured enough to correct past mistakes whatever the financial implications. I'm probably a bit naive, but to me what matters is on the pitch, not in the balance books.

Sorry for such a long post!