Andy Carroll

[Lecter]

Lets say we can negotiate a £5 saving on wages on his payoff, and we get 15m now, which is probably 7-8m more than we might get next season after using him sparingly. £12m is still a healthy saving is it not?

[Mattshark]

He's our record signing by some distance.

Do you think we'd splash out £35m on him and then put him on similar pay to someone like Spearing?

I wouldn't think we'd take him from 12k to 75k, that is just stupid.

[yamiedo]

Carroll isn't going to fit into our new style. That's obvious. So why anybody is disputing whether we should sell him is beyond me.

[Lecter]

Huh? So you're saying if we sell a player, we have to buy out his contract? I don't think that's how it works mate.

And why do you say it's apparent the lad doesn't leave? According to reports this morning he's told 'close friends' that he wants out.

I think with Jovanovic it was pretty obvious that he wasn't going to figure and had no resale value, so it was pointless keeping him really. Carroll would fetch a decent price and that's the main differece.

Out of curiosity, what do you think we should do with Carroll then? Keep him?

You dont have to buy out the full contract but any compensation deal would be based on a proportion of the wages left on his remaining contract

Whether thats settled at 10%, 20% or 50% it doesnt matter

In the case of Jovanovic we ended up paying a higher percentage

I think we will end up paying a high percentage, maybe as much as Kenneth put it at (about 30%)

[Lee]

I wouldn't think we'd take him from 12k to 75k, that is just stupid.

Quite.

I think in today's world of football salaries and finances it's par for the course.

[kris90210]

You dont have to buy out the full contract but any compensation deal would be based on a proportion of the wages left on his remaining contract

Whether thats settled at 10%, 20% or 50% it doesnt matter

In the case of Jovanovic we ended up paying a higher percentage

I think we will end up paying a high percentage, maybe as much as Kenneth put it at (about 30%)

Are you sure about that mate? Never heard of that before. I was under the impression that if you sold a player to another club that was that. So what you're saying is the player will get a proportion of his remaining unpaid wages, as well as a sign on fee from a new club. Pays to be a ****ing journeyman in football hey.

As I said, never heard of anything like that before.

[Vermilion]

Are you sure about that mate? Never heard of that before. I was under the impression that if you sold a player to another club that was that. So what you're saying is the player will get a proportion of his remaining unpaid wages, as well as a sign on fee from a new club. Pays to be a ****ing journeyman in football hey.

As I said, never heard of anything like that before.

Only applies if your forcing a player out of the club though yes, and he wants to stay.

[Rich]

Newcastle have been burnt before when it comes to shelling out massive wages.

Over the past couple of years they've really brought down their overall wage costs.

If it is true that Carroll was on £12k a week up there and we're giving him about £75k, then that is a huge problem.

Even if Newcastle offer him £50k he'll be losing £25k a week compared to what he's on now - that's £1.3m a year. He's got what 3 years left on his contract with us? That's £4m he's giving up.

[kris90210]

Only applies if your forcing a player out of the club though yes, and he wants to stay.

Yeah of course. You can buy out his contract and that's that. He's a free agent.

We're obviously not going to do that with Carroll. He can choose to stay if he wants to, so I don't see how that would apply?

[RedReet]

Are you sure about that mate? Never heard of that before. I was under the impression that if you sold a player to another club that was that. So what you're saying is the player will get a proportion of his remaining unpaid wages, as well as a sign on fee from a new club. Pays to be a ****ing journeyman in football hey.

As I said, never heard of anything like that before.

I'd never heard of anything about it (on here or anywhere) until we were linked with Gareth Barry. One of the big stumbling blocks was he wouldn't put in a transfer request as he didn't wan't to lose out on wages owed.

[Lecter]

Are you sure about that mate? Never heard of that before. I was under the impression that if you sold a player to another club that was that. So what you're saying is the player will get a proportion of his remaining unpaid wages, as well as a sign on fee from a new club. Pays to be a ****ing journeyman in football hey.

As I said, never heard of anything like that before.

I am extremely sure about this

If a player doesnt ask for a transfer he is entitled to compensation on the amount remaining on his contract

Sometimes this will be a pre-agreed amount but generally its based on a proportion of the wages remaining on a contract

Now obviously there might be a situation where a player might waive that (particularly if hes going to a big club on a massive increase of salary) but generally if they are stepping down in wages amount then the selling club will pay compensation

Going further back in time when we sold Emile Heskey we ended up paying 20 or 25% of his wages for the balance of his contract

And yes it does pay to be a journeyman

I think the Carroll sale (if it comes about) will cost us dearly, he clearly feels hes been treated badly and as such I expect him to haggle for as much as possible and equally I expect whoever he ends up at to manipulate us in regards to the fee

[Lecter]

Newcastle have been burnt before when it comes to shelling out massive wages.

Over the past couple of years they've really brought down their overall wage costs.

If it is true that Carroll was on £12k a week up there and we're giving him about £75k, then that is a huge problem.

Even if Newcastle offer him £50k he'll be losing £25k a week compared to what he's on now - that's £1.3m a year. He's got what 3 years left on his contract with us? That's £4m he's giving up.

Hes got 4 years left on his contract

He signed a 5.5 year contract (alongwith Suarez)

[Lecter]

Yeah of course. You can buy out his contract and that's that. He's a free agent.

We're obviously not going to do that with Carroll. He can choose to stay if he wants to, so I don't see how that would apply?

If a player asks for a transfer he automatically waives all rights to pay offs etc...

If he doesnt he'll be due compensation unless a previously agreed amount was agreed on and stipulated in his contract

[kris90210]

I'd never heard of anything about it (on here or anywhere) until we were linked with Gareth Barry. One of the big stumbling blocks was he wouldn't put in a transfer request as he didn't wan't to lose out on wages owed.

Wasn't that a loyalty bonus clause that he had in his contract? I didn't think that was standard practice in contracts? I've just looked this up and can't find anything on it

[Vermilion]

Yeah of course. You can buy out his contract and that's that. He's a free agent.

We're obviously not going to do that with Carroll. He can choose to stay if he wants to, so I don't see how that would apply?

No didn't mean that, i meant that if your forcing a player out, and he has a few years on his contract, then we are basically looking to break that contract and sell him on, even though he wants to stay, so usually that player will be entitled to some of his contract being paid up.

As far as i'm aware, always thought deals of that nature were done.