Gary Neville on diving

[Craig_H]

Thought this was a good bit of work from Neville, honest and interesting.

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[RedAndWhite]

I hate to admit it but he does actually know about the game. Still a cunt though.

[Shaggy]

I liked it, it was interesting and engaging, but he was making out that because "pillars of the game" like Beckham, Lampard & Gerrard have done it then that it makes it okay and they aren’t 'cheats'. All that does is show how endemic cheating is in the game - practically everybody does it.

He's right though, I have no idea how it can be policed. It depresses me to be honest. Our moods sometimes depend on how our team does in a sport full of ****in cheats.

[Gingawaria]

I actually really enjoy his punditry and that's genuinely shocked me. I thought I'd be wanting to punch his face repeatedly but I find myself agreeing with him a lot more than I was expecting to.

[Shaggy]

He's good isn't he, extremely engaging and insightful - absolutely ****s on Gray's gimmicks and patronising histrionics.

[Gingawaria]

You can tell he knows the game inside and out, incredibly refreshing.

God, I can't believe I'm saying this about Gary ****ing Neville!

[Alex]

He's good isn't he, extremely engaging and insightful - absolutely ****s on Gray's gimmicks and patronising histrionics.

I keep going back to the patch of grass where he used to teach Richard Keys how to man mark or tackle

[Shaggy]

That was absolutely comical

[Molby]

I actually really enjoy his punditry and that's genuinely shocked me. I thought I'd be wanting to punch his face repeatedly but I find myself agreeing with him a lot more than I was expecting to.

I agree with you in the 1st part of your post.. he is good at what he does..

but i would still love to punch his ****ing lights out..

we should never forget this picture, when he done this in front of our fans....

Strip back the false image for the TV cameras and therin lies a bitter, horrible manc *******....

[Gingawaria]

I agree with you in the 1st part of your post.. he is good at what he does..

but i would still love to punch his ****ing lights out..

we should never forget this picture, when he done this in front of our fans....

Strip back the false image for the TV cameras and therin lies a bitter, horrible manc *******....

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/...b_1817465i.jpg

He was a **** for doing that, but to be fair, if Carra had done the same, we'd be calling him a legend.

[Alex]

I agree with you in the 1st part of your post.. he is good at what he does..

but i would still love to punch his ****ing lights out..

we should never forget this picture, when he done this in front of our fans....

Strip back the false image for the TV cameras and therin lies a bitter, horrible manc *******....

I would celebrate exactly the same if I scored against them. No question.

[Johnny H]

Gary Neville the footballer was a nasty, scumbag piece of vermin.

Gary Neville the football pundit is a knowledgeable and insightful young man who's opinion I never thought I would respect, but I do.

I think if I met him in the street now I'd shake his hand. A year ago I would have chopped his arms off with a rusty blade and beaten him to death with them.

[Tee]

He is only nice about everyone because Scum are winning the league. Wait until they start a proper barren spell (PLEASE GOD!!) and he will revert to the cunt ratboy that he is.

Agree though, he has been annoyingly listenable and I would say a breath of fresh air, but naaah, his breath probably stinks.

[Kenneth]

I liked it, it was interesting and engaging, but he was making out that because "pillars of the game" like Beckham, Lampard & Gerrard have done it then that it makes it okay and they aren’t 'cheats'. All that does is show how endemic cheating is in the game - practically everybody does it.

He's right though, I have no idea how it can be policed. It depresses me to be honest. Our moods sometimes depend on how our team does in a sport full of ****in cheats.

It's an interesting one. I think he's basically saying that there are the rules of the game, as written down in the books, and there are the rules of the game that everybody involved in the game (players, coaches, managers, refs) unofficially accepts as the rules. From the inside as a player, when you exaggerate a contact and dive you are conforming to the well established norms that you have been taught since you were a kid, so when other people in the game say you are cheating you understandably feel that it is unfair comment. It's generally only from the perspective outside the professional footballing bubble that players inhabit that this is regarded as genuine cheating, by people who use the rule book as their reference point.

Reminds me of the banking industry pre-crash. Everyone working in a bubble that has defined it's own customs/culture and rules that become THE rules to work from, pretty much ignoring the actual rules. Playing by these rules is what progresses your career and/or gets you more money. And everybody does the same, so it doesn't seem wrong from the inside.

[Lecter]

It's an interesting one. I think he's basically saying that there are the rules of the game, as written down in the books, and there are the rules of the game that everybody involved in the game (players, coaches, managers, refs) unofficially accepts as the rules. From the inside as a player, when you exaggerate a contact and dive you are conforming to the well established norms that you have been taught since you were a kid, so when other people in the game say you are cheating you understandably feel that it is unfair comment. It's generally only from the perspective outside the professional footballing bubble that players inhabit that this is regarded as genuine cheating, by people who use the rule book as their reference point.

I think this is a good point however the lines have become blurred imo or maybe those lines have shifted in the coaching of players these days

I can understand what Neville is saying playing for penalties is smart play but I think there is a distinction between that and diving

Playing for penalties involves luring the defender into committing himself into a tackle and before he gets near the ball is nicked away which almost certain ensures contact with the attacking player

That to me is clever play

What we are seeing now from players like Young is clever but its cheating imo he is instigating the contact himself. If you look at his latest effort he is actually diving before he sticks his left leg out to make contact with Hutton (or whoever it was).