Ched Evans

[Joey Jones]

In that case it's fine. As you were. Do you know anything about mattresses?

Just that I need a new one.

[Chazza]

[ChesterDave]

BBC Radio Norfolk's Nick Conrad with his wisdom in a Ched Evans related discussion...

“What I’m trying to say is that women also have to understand that when a man’s given certain signals, he’ll wish to act upon them and if you don’t wish to give out the wrong signals, it’s best probably to keep your knickers on and not get into bed with him. Does that make sense?”

[Buzzo]

BBC Radio Norfolk's Nick Conrad with his wisdom in a Ched Evans related discussion...

“What I’m trying to say is that women also have to understand that when a man’s given certain signals, he’ll wish to act upon them and if you don’t wish to give out the wrong signals, it’s best probably to keep your knickers on and not get into bed with him. Does that make sense?”

Wow. Its unbelievable to think that this attitude can still exist.

At the end of the day, if she was too drunk to recollect, and Evans just 'appeared' in the room, after she went to bed with another guy - then its rape. He did not at any point get consent, he'd never even met her FFS.

Whether he is allowed to play football again is a different discussion. Complicated, but the outrage is not in any way surprising.

[captainfog]

Wow. Its unbelievable to think that this attitude can still exist.

At the end of the day, if she was too drunk to recollect, and Evans just 'appeared' in the room, after she went to bed with another guy - then its rape. He did not at any point get consent, he'd never even met her FFS.

Whether he is allowed to play football again is a different discussion. Complicated, but the outrage is not in any way surprising.

Its a ridiculous thing to say, however, that quote misses out the bit when he says something along the lines of regardless (of the bit you quoted) no means no and to ignore that is abhorrent.

He's still a **** though.

[Buzzo]

Backtracking.

A BBC radio presenter has made an on-air apology for remarks he made about rape during a debate on Monday about convicted rapist Ched Evans.

BBC Radio Norfolk host Nick Conrad had said women should "keep their knickers on" during a phone-in over the future of the ex Sheffield United footballer.

In the apology, he called the comments "ill-judged" and apologised "to anybody who was offended".

He said he had made it clear "women and victims were in no way to blame".

During Monday's show, Conrad, 29, said he thought women "need to be more aware of a man's sexual desire" and "it's very difficult for many men to say no when they are whipped up into a bit of a storm".

"If you don't wish to give out the wrong signals it's best probably to keep your knickers on and not get into bed with him," he said.

There were no complaints to the BBC on the day of the live broadcast, but by Thursday morning his remarks had provoked 81, the BBC Press Office said.

Ched Evans was jailed in April 2012 for raping a 19-year-old woman in a hotel room and released last month
In an apology at the beginning of Thursday's programme, Conrad said the comments had been "part of a wide-ranging discussion" where he invited listeners to "talk openly and frankly" about the Evans case.

"I made it clear on several occasions that rape is an abhorrent and inexcusable crime and that women and victims were in no way to blame," he said.

"Some of my comments in one section of the discussion were ill-judged and were offensive to some.

"I apologise to anybody who was offended by what I said."

Evans, a former Wales international striker, was jailed in April 2012 for raping a 19-year-old woman in a hotel room the previous year. He was freed last month after serving half of a five-year jail sentence.

The question of whether he should be allowed to play professional football again for Sheffield United, his employer at the time he was convicted, or any other club, has been hotly debated since his release.

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[spud_gun]

BBC Radio Norfolk's Alan Partridge with his wisdom in a Ched Evans related discussion...

“What I’m trying to say is that women also have to understand that when a man’s given certain signals, he’ll wish to act upon them and if you don’t wish to give out the wrong signals, it’s best probably to keep your knickers on and not get into bed with him. Does that make sense?”

FTFY

[Buzzo]

During Monday's show, Conrad, 29, said he thought women "need to be more aware of a man's sexual desire" and "it's very difficult for many men to say no when they are whipped up into a bit of a storm".

Sounds as though women would be well advised to avoid Nick Conrad. Based on the above if he's in the mood, and whipped up into a bit of a storm. He's going to rape you.

[Shaggy]

Sounds as though women would be well advised to avoid Nick Conrad. Based on the above if he's in the mood, and whipped up into a bit of a storm. He's going to rape you.

Shouldn't laugh but then his comments are worthy of derision.

[Liverpel]

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/nov/20/ched-evans-training-offer-withdrawn-sheffield-united

Sheffield United has reversed its decision to allow convicted rapist Ched Evans to train using the club’s facilities.

The club had been under considerable pressure to withdraw the offer that it made on 11 November following a request from the Professional Footballers’ Assocation on Evans’ behalf.

Evans was released on licence having served two and a half years of a five-year sentence after being found guilty of raping a 19-year-old woman following a night out in Rhyl.

He has maintained that he is innocent, and the issue of whether Sheffield United should re-sign the player has split supporters and the wider public.

But organisations including the End Violence Against Women Coalition have made clear their disgust at the decision, while more than 165,000 members of the public have signed a petition calling on Sheffield United chairman Kevin McCabe not to re-sign the striker.

Sheffield issued a statement saying that it had consulted with supporters, staff and sponsors, as well as the Football Association and the National Probation Service before making the decision.

“We recognise that a number of our supporters will be disappointed with this decision, but would ask that they remember the responsibilities we have not only to a fine and proud club, whose history stretches back over 125 years, but also to the communities in which Sheffield United is active and to the City we represent.

“The Club initially accepted a request from The PFA for Ched Evans to be able to train. The reaction to this has been at an intensity that could not have been anticipated when first announced.

“As noted in previous statements from the Club, the legal system of this country provides for both the punishment and the rehabilitation of every person who has been found guilty of a crime. Sheffield United will not be used to promote the view that professional footballers should be treated differently, as has been the want of certain sections of the media and various commentators. In addition, we remain disappointed at some of the inaccurate reporting, misinformed views and commentary, as well as the actions of a minority of individuals on social media. Professional footballers must be treated as equals before the law.

“The Club condemns rape and violence of any kind against women in the strongest possible terms. The Club is aware that Ched Evans is pursuing legal recourse via the Criminal Cases Review Commission in the determination he has to clear his name. We trust that he will be afforded a fair hearing.

“During this whole period, we have been served a timely reminder of what we have been throughout our history: Sheffield United is a Family and Community Club that, even in times of adversity, will remain strong and grow from its experiences.

“The Club will not be making any further comment on this issue.”

Earlier this week singer-songwriter Paul Heaton became the latest figure associated with Sheffield United to resign his position as a result of its decision to allow Evans to train with the club.

The former lead singer in the Beautiful South followed the lead of television presenters Charlie Webster and Lindsay Graham in quitting as a patron of the Sheffield United Community Foundation.

The Sheffield-born Olympic gold medallist Jessica Ennis-Hill had said she would ask Sheffied United to remove her name from a stand at the club’s ground if it offersed Evans a new contract.

The stand at Bramall Lane was named in her honour after the Blades fan’s heptathlon triumph at the London 2012 Games.

[G]

Dave Whelan will be on the blower to Ched now. He's right up his street.

[Slinky Skills]

He won't play for another professional club now, his career is ****ed.

[RedReet]

He will. If he was a good enough player, SU would have stood firm. He may have to drop down a division, but there will be plenty of teams willing to put up with the flak to improve their team.

[dww]

He will. If he was a good enough player, SU would have stood firm. He may have to drop down a division, but there will be plenty of teams willing to put up with the flak to improve their team.

I think a lot will depend on sponsors and local feeling. In the long run I think you are right but for a while he may well have to settle for non-league football at best.

[paulg]

Plenty of 'normal' people have problems getting work with any kind of criminal record, let alone serving time for a serious offence. They are often thought of as untrustworthy, despite having paid their debt to society for their offences.

He comes out, expresses no remorse and wants to walk straight back into his old job.
If he can't get a contract, perhaps he'll reflect on what kind of man he is / was.