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It's a good job he's not signing for Chelsea, John Terry would be all over that like a rash
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Whilst I think he could be a decent signing for us he kind of feels like someone that would suit playing for Neverton.
I think we have to accept that we are rebuilding and sometimes we have to revise our expectations. We need effective players who can fit our new system and allow the players we do have at a different level (Suarez and Gerrard really) to shine.
One of the problems in the end last season for me was that the likes of Carroll, Downing and Adam represented a style that minimised the impact those players had.
"The man who never alters his opinion is like standing water, and breeds reptiles of the mind."
-- William Blake
I think we have to accept that we are rebuilding and sometimes we have to revise our expectations. We need effective players who can fit our new system and allow the players we do have at a different level (Suarez and Gerrard really) to shine.
One of the problems in the end last season for me was that the likes of Carroll, Downing and Adam represented a style that minimised the impact those players had.
Yes, fair enough, but it's frustrating when our I would think lesser rivals are signing players with better renown than us. I.e. Newcastle the last few seasons signing players who played CL/Europa league football - Tiote, Santon, Ben Arfa, Cabaye etc. Then Dempsey is not going to improve, doesn't have proper European pedigree (barring the Fulham season) for probably a greater fee than a lot of those other signings.
If you look at the pedigree of signings even Swansea (Jonathan de Guzman was playing CL last season, Michu made some Spain squads and Pablo Hernandez who is playing for a CL team and capped by Spain is probably going to join) has made I think we're underestimating the potential pull we could have. I'm not saying we should be looking at the players I've mentioned, but if those clubs can attract players of that calibre, then I don't think it's completely unreasonable to be unsatisfied with Dempsey.
But as you and probably everyone else will say if he's the man Rodgers wants and he's bought to fit the system then we can't complain if he does a job. Regardless I don't fancy seeing Dempsey in our shirt.
I think we have to accept that we are rebuilding and sometimes we have to revise our expectations. We need effective players who can fit our new system and allow the players we do have at a different level (Suarez and Gerrard really) to shine.
One of the problems in the end last season for me was that the likes of Carroll, Downing and Adam represented a style that minimised the impact those players had.
I agree but he still feels like an Everton type of player!
FWIW if he comes I think he'll be a solid if not spectacular performer for us which is something we could do with especially with the loss of the likes of Kuyt, Maxi & Bellamy
Yes, fair enough, but it's frustrating when our I would think lesser rivals are signing players with better renown than us. I.e. Newcastle the last few seasons signing players who played CL/Europa league football - Tiote, Santon, Ben Arfa, Cabaye etc. Then Dempsey is not going to improve, doesn't have proper European pedigree (barring the Fulham season) for probably a greater fee than a lot of those other signings.
If you look at the pedigree of signings even Swansea (Jonathan de Guzman was playing CL last season, Michu made some Spain squads and Pablo Hernandez who is playing for a CL team and capped by Spain is probably going to join) has made I think we're underestimating the potential pull we could have. I'm not saying we should be looking at the players I've mentioned, but if those clubs can attract players of that calibre, then I don't think it's completely unreasonable to be unsatisfied with Dempsey.
But as you and probably everyone else will say if he's the man Rodgers wants and he's bought to fit the system then we can't complain if he does a job. Regardless I don't fancy seeing Dempsey in our shirt.
I agree LFC can attract better players than what people thought. But Dempsey is a much better player than given credit for.
And people need to forget about his age. He may be 29, but he was a late starter in his pro career, and as such will come good later than most and will also sustain his peak at a later age than most.
I think everyone one of us has said our team requires goals. Well his statistics match up with the very best for a player who is not a striker. In fact, they compare very favourably with our very own Steven Gerrard. Every now & again like Stevie, he's played further forward, but until last season he was mainly playing much further back in midfield.
In 87 games for the USA he has 27 goals and in 184 games for Fulham he has 50 goals. Prior to Fulham, at New England he scored 25 goals in 71 games. So 1 goal every 3-4 games across his whole career. If when he left LFC he has matched those stats, then I think people would be pretty pleased.
I know there seems to be a massive requirement these days to only sign young players with huge potential, but I think just as important are the signing of players who already arrive with something to bring to the table.
Clint Dempsey will come to our club and he will score goals. And he will settle down straight away. He is a very strong minded individual and he is a very fit athlete who looks after himself. He is a nice guy and can look after himself on the pitch. I don't know of many players who play with more determination than Cint.
Some players arrive at a big club and they are scared of the pressure. Dempsey thrives on it. He has a big club mentality. He isn't and never will be a star player for a big club, but he's more than capable of playing a good supporting role - in the first team, not on the bench.
I agree LFC can attract better players than what people thought. But Dempsey is a much better player than given credit for.
And people need to forget about his age. He may be 29, but he was a late starter in his pro career, and as such will come good later than most and will also sustain his peak at a later age than most.
I think everyone one of us has said our team requires goals. Well his statistics match up with the very best for a player who is not a striker. In fact, they compare very favourably with our very own Steven Gerrard. Every now & again like Stevie, he's played further forward, but until last season he was mainly playing much further back in midfield.
In 87 games for the USA he has 27 goals and in 184 games for Fulham he has 50 goals. Prior to Fulham, at New England he scored 25 goals in 71 games. So 1 goal every 3-4 games across his whole career. If when he left LFC he has matched those stats, then I think people would be pretty pleased.
I know there seems to be a massive requirement these days to only sign young players with huge potential, but I think just as important are the signing of players who already arrive with something to bring to the table.
Clint Dempsey will come to our club and he will score goals. And he will settle down straight away. He is a very strong minded individual and he is a very fit athlete who looks after himself. He is a nice guy and can look after himself on the pitch. I don't know of many players who play with more determination than Cint.
Some players arrive at a big club and they are scared of the pressure. Dempsey thrives on it. He has a big club mentality. He isn't and never will be a star player for a big club, but he's more than capable of playing a good supporting role - in the first team, not on the bench.
I agree with you in principle Danny, I'd like to think I'm one of the few on here that doesn't have this mindless obsession with youth which seems to have spread throughout football fans these last few years. However when I bring up his age, I was more indicating that I don't think he's the quality of a Liverpool player and I don't think he has the means to improve to become the quality of one. Given the perception of a "Liverpool player" comes is definitely now up for debate when you consider some of the under par players that have been playing in our team these last few seasons.
I agree with you in principle Danny, I'd like to think I'm one of the few on here that doesn't have this mindless obsession with youth which seems to have spread throughout football fans these last few years. However when I bring up his age, I was more indicating that I don't think he's the quality of a Liverpool player and I don't think he has the means to improve to become the quality of one. Given the perception of a "Liverpool player" comes is definitely now up for debate when you consider some of the under par players that have been playing in our team these last few seasons.
You said it yourself in the last sentence Zap. The quality of player in the Liverpool squad should be matching that of Real Madrid and Barca, I don't acre what anybody says. That is the size of our club and if we expect to match them then that is what is required.
But in reality we are much further back than where we'd like to be. And as such a player who wouldn't even make the squad of Barca (Tello) and a player who is surplus to requirements at Real (Sahin) would improve our team considerably.
Based on where we are now at, Dempsey is a good signing for us. Voted 4th best player in the league last year. Two time consecutive Fulham fans player of the year. Scored in the last two World Cups. Scored in the final of the Gold Cup. Fastest goal in USA football history. Scores in pretty much every big game the USA play in. Like him or not, it must be admitted that when the stakes are raised - Clint steps up and delivers.
For that reason, depsite his age - He will improve at LFC. And as I said before, he's a ate starter in his career. He will develop later on than most.
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