Video Referees in Football?

[Buzzo]

Don't blame me, blame the incompetent idiot who included it as an option.

Oh. That guy It was a rash judgement call at the time. I can't remove it...

[Buzzo]

Does anyone want to know why I voted "not sure"?

Go on....

[baitman]

this is how it could work...
the video ref if monitoring the play, once something happens that looks dodgy, the manager can ask the 4th official to let the ref know that he wants to appeal that decision.
at this time, the ball will be dead, and the play stopped anyway.

the ref indicates that an appeal has been made. once the video ref has replayed it and is sure he has the correct result then he can either announce it via a score board link [as in rugby] or using the ear piece link with the ref.

for most appeals it wouldnt take as long as the lining up of a wall for a free kick, or all the fannying around when there is a penalty given. maybe a minute... two, tops.

[Shaggy]

Don't wait for the ball to go out of play. I'd make it up to the captain to have to register the challenge, and the captain can instantly tell the ref who stops the game. Teams would only challenge big calls - not throw-ins, for example. Penalty decisions, red cards etc would be most commonly challenged.

So penalty decisions - be it one given against you or one not given for you - for example...instead of the usual crowding of the ref, you'd have the player involved in the incident telling his captain whether or not they should challenge, and the captain tells the ref. It'd take about 5 seconds.

Or if you're challenging a red card, the game is stopped anyway (eg Shelvey on Sunday). Likewise with dodgy goals given.

I understand it's not easy to introduce. Offside calls would be tricky. Say offside is given, and the player flagged is clean through on goal. The denied team challenge the decision, and they are proven correct - the player was in fact onside. Then what?

[baitman]

and what if the appeal is successful, do you keep your three appeals...

you could have two or three appeals, and if they are unsuccessful then you have spunked them.

this might encourage teams to be more prudent, so they are only appealing for correct things, rather than just trying their hand

[Jaymo]

Okay so the Managers get 3 appeals. Now what I can't see working is that a manager may appeal a dodgy offside decision in which his team would go clean through. Say the manager is correct, what happens then? Do all players stop apart from the one who was clean through and they have a 1v1 chance with the GK?

In theory its good idea, however on the whole I believe its a bad idea. The game would be disrupted. I see how this works in Tennis etc as the game stops every 20-30 seconds but Football is continuous until the ball is out of play.

[Shaggy]

and what if the appeal is successful, do you keep your three appeals...

you could have two or three appeals, and if they are unsuccessful then you have spunked them.

this might encourage teams to be more prudent, so they are only appealing for correct things, rather than just trying their hand

Ah yeah, meant to mention that. Yep, same as in tennis and cricket. If your challenge is successful you keep them, and obviously lose one if you're wrong. It absolutely would ensure there are no frivolous appeals. I wouldn't be in favour of three appeals - I'd give teams one per half. Obviously if they make a good challenge they keep their one.

[Shaggy]

Okay so the Managers get 3 appeals. Now what I can't see working is that a manager may appeal a dodgy offside decision in which his team would go clean through. Say the manager is correct, what happens then? Do all players stop apart from the one who was clean through and they have a 1v1 chance with the GK?

In theory its good idea, however on the whole I believe its a bad idea. The game would be disrupted. I see how this works in Tennis etc as the game stops every 20-30 seconds but Football is continuous until the ball is out of play.

Football stops all the time. The stats say something like that for in each 90 minute game, the ball is in play for about 43 minutes or something ludicrous.

And yep your first point is as I'd mentioned above. Difficult one that.

[Buzzo]

I understand it's not easy to introduce. Offside calls would be tricky. Say offside is given, and the player flagged is clean through on goal. The denied team challenge the decision, and they are proven correct - the player was in fact onside. Then what?

Hmm. Thats a good point of how it could be tricky, but it is still going to be better for the denied team than it is now (ie, they get nothing) so why not have a direct free kick or something... And if its close in a direct FK from the edge of the box... It would make the game loads more interesting.

The rules are **** as things stand so everything else is an enhancement.

I like both the above as ways of implementing the system.

[mick the click]

Not sure about being limited to 3 appeals. maybe the ref or linesman can ask for a review as and when they see fit - each captain is then allowed 3 (for want of a better number) that the ref/linesman ignore.

Could get messy - but there's too much malarkey/dishonest and too many atrocious decisions being made not to warrant the introduction of some technology.

[CJ]

i would do it broadly the same as hockey. obviously allowing for differences in the game.


will find something to cut and paste then alter later on

[Buzzo]

i would do it broadly the same as hockey. obviously allowing for differences in the game.


will find something to cut and paste then alter later on

Didn't know they did it in Hockey - do post when you have something. Interesting.

[Shaggy]

Re the offside issue...

Thinking aloud here so apologies if this doesn't seem very well thought through - it's because it hasn't been.

If the flag goes up, don't stop play. Play on. Score the goal or miss the chance, then the ref can apply the linesman's decision and it can be challenged, or not. This sort of thing happens anyway, with linesmen flagging offside players but play going on and the referee not whistling to stop play until the offside player has become 'active'.

No?

[baitman]

maybe no appeals for offsides.

or maybe appeal for offsides, if correct, win a corner or direct free kick.

direct free kick is interesting cos if you were clean through, close to goal then the free kick is then really dangerous. it'd be a bit meh if you were 30yards out, but it'd still make the linesperson thing a little more about what they are up to...

[Neil Young]

So there's a corner, disputed handball, ref waves play on, defending team has the ball, breaks in numbers, it's four against two, they must score...

Stop, the other manager threw a flag and the captain of the team that's about to concede a goal wants a decision up the other end reviewed.