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Champions league 2013-2014
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Full UEFA Champions League Group Stage Draw 2013-2014
GROUP A
Manchester United
Shakhtar Donetsk
Bayer Leverkusen
Real Sociedad
GROUP B
Real Madrid
Juventus
Galatasaray
København
GROUP C
S.L. Benfica
Paris Saint-Germain
Olympiacos
Anderlecht
GROUP D
Bayern Munich
CSKA Moscow
Manchester City
Plzeň
GROUP E
Chelsea
FC Schalke 04
FC Basel
Steaua Bucharest
GROUP F
Arsenal
Marseille
Borussia Dortmund
Napoli SSC
GROUP G
FC Porto
Atlético Madrid
Zenit
Austria Wien
GROUP H
FC Barcelona
AC Milan
AFC Ajax
Celtic
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arsenal are ****ed well and truly.Originally posted by Kenneth View PostWell arsenal are in trouble. That's a very solid group.
Utd, chelsea all have easy draws. City's is a little tougher but those the english teams can count themselves lucky.
Want to keep laughing at arsenal but at least theyre there.[B]Sir Isaac Newton knew the universal law of karma - any action has its equal and opposite reaction.[B]
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Originally posted by G View PostI die a little every year this draw takes place without LFC
I'm almost completely dead at this stage
I was reading the following article on the BBC website:
How Uefa's seeding system helps Arsenal & hinders Celtic
That made me sad, from one of the most feared teams in Europe to a blasé attitude on qualification for the EuropaThe only way for your coefficient to fall significantly and quickly is to be out of Europe altogether, as Liverpool are finding out.
The Reds were ranked second in 2009-10 but are currently 17th (78.592) and are likely to fall out of the top 30 by next season.
If we ever qualify for the CL again we'll be in pot 4
We come not to play.
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Originally posted by Imy View PostI was reading the following article on the BBC website:
How Uefa's seeding system helps Arsenal & hinders Celtic
That made me sad, from one of the most feared teams in Europe to a blasé attitude on qualification for the Europa
If we ever qualify for the CL again we'll be in pot 4

We were ranked number 1 during Rafa's reign.
How the mighty have fallen.I had no idea we were dropping so quickly,not a fan of the Europa but clear we need to be in Europe each year.
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Portugal have benefited majorly from the seeding system in international football. Frequently out-qualified but I think the play off games from the past two championships they have qualified for have given them enough ranking points to squeeze into top spots again.
Sooner or later they are going to screw up too much and will be second seeds so will then always have a decent team in their groups. I can see them failing to qualify for a few tournies thenFootball without Origi is nothing
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