Victor Moses

[Daniel 7]

I don't think from such a small sample size we can draw any such conclusion really, especially given the roles in the squad these players have been filling. One could just as easily ask if it has been brilliant judgement only to sign these players on loan rather than permanent contracts as none of them yet have proven quite up to the standard required to be at the club long term.

Thats a very good point. Its notable though that both players have complained that they haven't been played either regularly enough or out of position, and have been used to plug gaps rather than in a preferred role.
Maybe they were made promises in the terms of their loan, or maybe they just have mental issues and are prima donnas expecting LFC to cater for them.

[Glenn Hysen]

I didn't imply anything, I was raising a point for discussion. I'll let you off on missing this conversational nuance as english isn't your first language.

It's arnish

[Daniel 7]

It's arnish

It wasn't a statement. It wasn't qualified by IMO. It was an invitation to express and present opinion.

And I'm really enjoying this season, I haven't moaned at all. Check my posts.

[Glenn Hysen]

It wasn't a statement. It wasn't qualified by IMO. It was an invitation to express and present opinion.

And I'm really enjoying this season, I haven't moaned at all. Check my posts.

I meant my language is Arnish.

[Daniel 7]

I meant my language is Arnish.

I misunderstood

[RedRum]

He doesn't look very interested on the pitch so far. I think he may be over 30

[BobTheCharmer]

writing players off is brilliant isn't it. he's been a good signing considering he hasn't cost us much. he started well and then we changed formation which meant no wingers so he was asked to play centrally or not at all. its disrupted the flow a bit. we knew weren't signing a superstar otherwise chelsea would have kept him. he just needs a run of games and a goal like most players do. We have more issues than worrying about Moses.

[Gazzla]

I think he's more suited to the wing than the middle of the pitch.

Was really really poor against Hull, but I reckon a run of games will see him up his game.

Is there any benefit of giving Moses a run of games above the likes of Sterling given we are a third of the way through the season and we can strengthen in less than a month? Swansea aside I haven't seen him stand out for the right reasons

[Chazza]

Chelsea fury as Liverpool sideline striker Victor Moses
Chelsea told Victor Moses he had better options for loan move and now Brendan Rodgers’ Ryan Bertrand move in danger

By Matt Law10:30PM GMT 06 Jan 2014

Chelsea are ready to tell Liverpool manager Brendan Rodgers to look elsewhere for players over concerns regarding Victor Moses.

That could put the Stamford Bridge club’s good relationship with former employee Rodgers under strain and cut off one of the Northern Irishman’s main sources of transfer targets.

Moses was the latest Chelsea player to link up with Rodgers on a season-long loan in the summer, despite interest from a host of clubs including Everton, Southampton, West Bromwich Albion and Norwich City.

The deal is in danger of turning sour, however, with Moses struggling for opportunities and facing the prospect of spending the second half of the season on the Anfield substitutes bench.

Liverpool have shown an interest in signing left-back Ryan Bertrand on loan or permanently this month, but Chelsea will attempt to resist either deal. Bertrand is likely to be advised to look at the struggles Moses has faced if Liverpool make a firm move for him. Chelsea believe there are better options than moving to Anfield available to the 24-year-old.

Fulham are also interested in signing Bertrand, who could also be used as part of a big-money Chelsea bid for Southampton’s Luke Shaw.
Rodgers still has a number of old friends at Chelsea, not least manager Jose Mourinho who he worked under as head youth coach and reserve-team manager at Stamford Bridge.

Rodgers has used his Chelsea links throughout his management career to sign players. He took Bertrand on loan at Reading, signed striker Fabio Borini on loan from Chelsea for Swansea City and snapped up Scott Sinclair on a permanent transfer.

Those deals were all successful, but Rodgers also took Josh McEachran on loan to Swansea in 2012 and the young midfielder played only 215 minutes for the Welsh club.
Chelsea accepted that Rodgers had difficulties squeezing McEachran into his side because of a superb run of form and the highly successful signing of Gylfi Sigurdsson. But in an interview while on loan at Middlesbrough last January, McEachran was asked what he learned at Swansea and replied: “Nothing.” When asked for an opinion on Rodgers, he said: “I’ll pass on that.”

Since becoming Liverpool manager, Rodgers has continued to look at potential signings from Chelsea. Daniel Sturridge went to Anfield on a permanent deal last January and Moses signed on a season-long loan in the summer. Sturridge has flourished under Rodgers, forcing his way into the England side and scoring 11 Liverpool goals this season before suffering an ankle injury.

Chelsea have a scientific approach to allowing their players out on loan, based on how often they are likely to play and how they can develop at a club and under another manager. It was felt there were better options available to Moses than Liverpool, but Rodgers persuaded the player that he could make a similar impact on his career as he made with Sturridge.

Having pushed for Liverpool over Everton and Southampton, Moses has started just eight games this season and has largely been restricted to late substitute appearances over recent months.

The Nigeria international was hauled off at half-time in the FA Cup victory over League One Oldham, with the match still goalless at that point.

Chelsea are now fearful that Moses will spend the second half of the season stuck on the sidelines or only making cameo appearances at the end of games. He has fallen behind the rejuvenated Raheem Sterling in the Anfield pecking order and is seen very much as a squad player.

Despite their worries, Chelsea are not thought to be exploring the possibility of cutting short Moses’s loan. Liverpool are also reluctant to lose any players with the season going so well, particularly before they make any January signings.

Another Chelsea player who has not played as much as he would have liked this season is Juan Mata and the Spaniard has emerged as a loan target of Atletico Madrid.

Mata’s father acts as his agent and is expected to travel to England for talks with Chelsea over the 25-year-old’s future and the interest of Atletico, who would like to take him on loan until the end of the season with a view to a permanent deal.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/chelsea/10554657/Chelsea-fury-as-Liverpool-sideline-striker-Victor-Moses.html

[Lee]

If Moses started to pull his finger out and look interested then he might get a sniff.

Oh, and if we wasn't completely average too.

**** Chelsea.

[Vermilion]

Ahh tell em to piss off!

[Gazzla]

They can have him back

[Leyton388]

He was ****e yesterday yet again. He needs to pull his finger out if he wants to play.

[Vermilion]

He's playing ****e, but Chavski want us to play him more! yeah right!

I expect Maureen will be playing his ****test striker all the time too?! ha! Torres hardly even plays nowadays!

[Pablo]

Not exactly our fault that he can't be arsed to put a decent shift in is it. Idiots. Bertrand's not that good anyway really.