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Paul.S
Why the hate? Great player. Unusual quirky manager. The fascist stuff doesn't bother me either, a man is allowed to have his own thoughts. He isn't going around kicking the **** out of folk, he isn't a practising (is there such a term?) racist, he trys to make people happy, ie the fans. He's obviously failing but you can tell from yesterday's antics he's hurting. He's passionate.
To be honest I don't much care either way, in defending him its looks like I care, I really don't. It just seems that fans over here on the whole don't like anything different. Such as arrogance or self promotion. It adds to the league for me. You don't want 20 polite calm no emotion shown managers on the touchline, much the same you don't want 20 Jose's. Now Steve Bruce is someone to hate with his fat ugly head.
I just don't understand the whole hating opponents managers usually for what they say. Its there job to stick up for their team.
All hate should be saved for all things utd. The rest can carry about their business.
Always borrow money from a pessimist. He won’t expect it back. Oscar Wilde
I don't hate him and I agree he makes things interesting. But he will be sacked shortly because he doesn't have a clue how to man manage at this level. I don't think those players will ever respond to his ways
If he's sacked before Christmas the board should resign. They hired him, they let him sign a hundred new players. With that turnover of players its bound to take a few months to gel. You're right though, he will be sacked as everyone is too impatient these days.
Always borrow money from a pessimist. He won’t expect it back. Oscar Wilde
Why the hate? Great player. Unusual quirky manager. The fascist stuff doesn't bother me either, a man is allowed to have his own thoughts. He isn't going around kicking the **** out of folk, he isn't a practising (is there such a term?) racist, he trys to make people happy, ie the fans. He's obviously failing but you can tell from yesterday's antics he's hurting. He's passionate.
To be honest I don't much care either way, in defending him its looks like I care, I really don't. It just seems that fans over here on the whole don't like anything different. Such as arrogance or self promotion. It adds to the league for me. You don't want 20 polite calm no emotion shown managers on the touchline, much the same you don't want 20 Jose's. Now Steve Bruce is someone to hate with his fat ugly head.
I just don't understand the whole hating opponents managers usually for what they say. Its there job to stick up for their team.
All hate should be saved for all things utd. The rest can carry about their business.
Why the hate? Here's why:
Anyone can think what they like but that's no reason to believe fascism is just another set of political principles that can be held honourably like any other. I'd oppose him just for that. The fact that a known fascist has a job with a fairly high public profile his presence necessarily involves legitimising opinions which can have no legitimacy in a civilized and open society.
What's worse is he actively promotes his views and seeks to justify them. He hasn't kept it quiet, a private matter.
He calls himself a fascist. He uses the fascist salute in public. He attends fascist gatherings, including the funeral of someone implicated in the bombing of Bologna railway station which killed 85 people and injured more than 200. He has Mussolini's title tattooed on his arm and a fascist emblem tattooed on his back.
Fascism is anti-democratic, xenophobic, militaristic and ultra-nationalistic. It's opposed to pluralism so is, by definition, intolerant.
I don't see any reason for tolerating his presence or giving him a public platform to legitimise or normalise his hateful opinions. So, whatever I could have thought about what you say about his other characteristics as a football manager, it all has zero significance to me.
Put it this way: if he was made Liverpool manager I'd stop supporting the club. And if it was a choice between tolerating Di Canio or supporting Man United, I wouldn't have to think about it for a moment.
. Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.
Anyone can think what they like but that's no reason to believe fascism is just another set of political principles that can be held honourably like any other. I'd oppose him just for that. The fact that a known fascist has a job with a fairly high public profile his presence necessarily involves legitimising opinions which can have no legitimacy in a civilized and open society.
What's worse is he actively promotes his views and seeks to justify them. He hasn't kept it quiet, a private matter.
He calls himself a fascist. He uses the fascist salute in public. He attends fascist gatherings, including the funeral of someone implicated in the bombing of Bologna railway station which killed 85 people and injured more than 200. He has Mussolini's title tattooed on his arm and a fascist emblem tattooed on his back.
Fascism is anti-democratic, xenophobic, militaristic and ultra-nationalistic. It's opposed to pluralism so is, by definition, intolerant.
I don't see any reason for tolerating his presence or giving him a public platform to legitimise or normalise his hateful opinions. So, whatever I could have thought about what you say about his other characteristics as a football manager, it all has zero significance to me.
Put it this way: if he was made Liverpool manager I'd stop supporting the club. And if it was a choice between tolerating Di Canio or supporting Man United, I wouldn't have to think about it for a moment.
Fair enough. Isn't it a fairly common view with many Italians? I may be totally wrong, I honestly don't know for sure. But he's been bought up one way and feels a common cause with his people, he's lived and breathed it,now he's here and he's not hiding away. He's provoked thought with fans over here who had no knowledge of what fascism is or even cared. If he's the devil, then better we see him than lurking away in the shadows. In an ideal world we'd all think and act as one and be at peace with one another. But know matter how hard we try to extinguish extreme views we'll never succeed. Better to try and dampen those views to something we can all live with than to just pretend they don't exist.
If he were attending march's over here and trying to convert the fan base to his political views then that's another level altogether.
Always borrow money from a pessimist. He won’t expect it back. Oscar Wilde
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