Tonights Internationals

[Arn]

Everyone is jumping on Arms back but Fidget was also suggesting Gerrard doesn't put in as much effort for us.

He isn't the only one that mentioned it but Gerrard is like our holy cow, blame him for anything and your are indeed an idiot.

When he plays for England then the tackles is flying in, he make runs the whole game, he covers a lot of ground etc and he won't have problem recovering for the next game a few days later for the national team.

I find it very strange that when he play for us then he more or less can't play two games a week but when he do it for England then it isn't a problem.

He covers a lot of ground when he play for national team, a lot of ground.

[Tee]

He isn't the only one that mentioned it but Gerrard is like our holy cow, blame him for anything and your are indeed an idiot.

When he plays for England then the tackles is flying in, he make runs the whole game, he covers a lot of ground etc and he won't have problem recovering for the next game a few days later for the national team.

I find it very strange that when he play for us then he more or less can't play two games a week but when he do it for England then it isn't a problem.

He covers a lot of ground when he play for national team, a lot of ground.

When hasn't he played two games in a week for us??? And maybe it is the set up of the team which means he needs to cover more ground, not that I am convinced he does.

It is a really stupid argument Arn and you just come across as bitter mate, I just don't get it. Gerrard gives everything for us every single time, he just doesn't do half hearted, we should know that by now.

[Arn]

I went with the last post in the thread which happened to be yours, Arn.

A few people questioned Gerrard's performance for England and why it didn't mirror his form for Liverpool; you said 'he could work his socks off for us in every game but he isn't interested doing it'. People may have been alluding to the tactical set-up, you went with Gerrard not trying his best for Liverpool and putting England first.

Many of us have said that Gerrard isn't trying his best in many games when he play for us. That isn't fantasy, that is a fact.

I'm not the only one.

I'm not hating him or anything like that. Many players have done the same. That is one reason to why we missed out on the CL the last few seasons.

The morale in the squad have been poor to say the least.

Many of us have said that that is something Rodgers must sort out and he is starting to do it.

It is a long time since we played like a team that always give 100% out there. A team that you will have to work your socks off to beat. In many games the opposition work harder than us.

It is getting better but as we have seen in the second half of the games then we still have a long way to go.

The morale in the team still isn't good enough. We still don't work as team. One of the reasons to that is that Gerrard and a lot of our players don't work the socks off in the games.

[Alex]

If you think he is trying or not. Don't try and pass that opinion off as fact. It's not.

[Muddled]

And I say to you, that I think Gerrard's reserved performances for Liverpool have been due to tactical restrictions enforced by Rodgers - restrictions that have been lifted by Hodgson. I really don't think you question Gerrard's desire to give 100%. Sure, question his role in the current Liverpool set-up and question where we should get the best out of him, but saying he tries harder for England than he does Liverpool is fantasy. In my opinion, obv.

Without wanting to turn this into a Liverpool discussion, where would Gerrard excel:

1/ In a team where they have a rigid bank of four giving him the ball to build attacks; or,
2/ In a team where they have been set up to absorb pressure and build quick counter-attacks.

This is before we even look at the formation being played. The defensive role in a 3-5-2 doesn't suit Gerrard, particularly in his latter years. A 4-5-1 plays to his current strengths, sure he's going to look more mobile and more effective.

I think the crux of the issue is more on Rodgers than it is on Gerrard. Rodgers has quite rightly built his team around other players, but is shoe-horning Gerrard into the team, because ... well, he's Gerrard. The bigger question is should Rodgers find another role for Gerrard, or should he giving him less playing time for the benefit of the team and the direction a Rodgers led Liverpool is going?

[RichC]

Tbh Arn there is a stream of posts from you about Gerrard over the years, most focus on a similar point you've made here about his commitment to LFC.
I assume it's your general negative outlook around him and Carraagher that you've built up over several seasons that other posters feel you've got an agenda against Gerrard and most likely the part you seem to feel he played in Benitez being relieved of his duties as out manager.

Sometimes it's about perceptions

[Norbs]

The morale in the squad have been poor to say the least.

Many of us have said that

No, it's only you talking bollocks on this level

[Tee]

Well it seems our coaching staff are more than happy with the shifts Stevie G is putting in.

Mike Marsh - Stevie can still play anywhere

After 15 years at the top, Steven Gerrard is still a vital cog in the Liverpool machine and has the energy to operate in a variety of roles, according to first-team coach Mike Marsh.


The skipper calmly converted from the spot against Crystal Palace at Anfield last weekend - and, in doing so, ensured he's now found the net in 15 consecutive seasons for the Reds.

It meant the 33-year-old surpassed Billy Liddell's record of 14, on the day he edged past another legend, Tommy Smith, in the club's all-time appearances list.

Former midfielder Marsh hailed the remarkable achievement - and backed Gerrard, who has operated in a deeper role this season, to flourish in any system Brendan Rodgers seeks to implement.

He told Liverpoolfc.com: "It's a fantastic feat. Just to play for 15 seasons is enough, but to actually be on the score-sheet in every one of those seasons is a massive achievement for Steven.

"There aren't many others who have achieved it - Ryan Giggs is another one, but I don't think there are many more than that - and that shows just how difficult it is to achieve.

"Of course he's still vital to the team. It's more by accident than design that Steven's playing a little bit deeper. We've changed formation from two at the back to a three and he has sat in there with Lucas on occasions.

"Steven's still got the legs to play anywhere on the pitch, but I'm sure whatever formation the manager players, he'll be up for it."

Clearly explains why it might seem like he runs around more for England. It was pretty obvious I would have thought anyway.

[Lee]

Staggered. Absolutely staggered.

The midfield problem thread is obvious too. Agenda-driven ****.

[~LFCHistory~]

Tbh Arn there is a stream of posts from you about Gerrard over the years, most focus on a similar point you've made here about his commitment to LFC.
I assume it's your general negative outlook around him and Carraagher that you've built up over several seasons that other posters feel you've got an agenda against Gerrard and most likely the part you seem to feel he played in Benitez being relieved of his duties as out manager.

Sometimes it's about perceptions

That's what his criticism of Gerrard is really all about, it has nothing to do with football at all, he believes that Stevie and Carragher were involved in getting Rafa sacked 3 years and so our idiotic friend obviously hates both of them now because as we all know he worships the ground Rafa walks on.

Another good example of this is his constant criticism of Ian Ayre which on the surface is about finances and transfers however there is an agenda behind it, Ayre was a member of the board that made the decision to sack Rafa 3 years ago and so like Gerrad Arn hates him.

Rant over.

[Norbs]

Well it seems our coaching staff are more than happy with the shifts Stevie G is putting in.



Clearly explains why it might seem like he runs around more for England. It was pretty obvious I would have thought anyway.

And yet Hodgson can't work out another way to use him. England is breaking his back then, the man is purely working equally hard for different managers

[baitman]

I'm talking bollocks

[Norbs]

That's what his criticism of Gerrard is really all about, it has nothing to do with football at all, he believes that Stevie and Carragher were involved in getting Rafa sacked 3 years and so our idiotic friend obviously hates both of them now because as we all know he worships the ground Rafa walks on.

Another good example of this is his constant criticism of Ian Ayre which on the surface is about finances and transfers however there is an agenda behind it, Ayre was a member of the board that made the decision to sack Rafa 3 years ago and so like Gerrad Arn hates him.

Rant over.

Rant? Your post sounds completely clear and explains perfectly what Arn's all about. Great for those of us who aren't alway sure what the point of his posts are

[Gazzla]

Many of us have said that Gerrard isn't trying his best in many games when he play for us. That isn't fantasy, that is a fact.

I'm not the only one.

I'm not hating him or anything like that. Many players have done the same. That is one reason to why we missed out on the CL the last few seasons.

The morale in the squad have been poor to say the least.

Many of us have said that that is something Rodgers must sort out and he is starting to do it.

It is a long time since we played like a team that always give 100% out there. A team that you will have to work your socks off to beat. In many games the opposition work harder than us.

It is getting better but as we have seen in the second half of the games then we still have a long way to go.

The morale in the team still isn't good enough. We still don't work as team. One of the reasons to that is that Gerrard and a lot of our players don't work the socks off in the games.

I know there are any number of your posts I could quote for this accolade but this has got to be right up there with one of the most ridiculous I've ever read. Absolute dog**** on every level

[Frenchie]

unfortunately it's the reason for quite a few posters leaving...