Other Premiership Games November 21st (or thereabouts)

[Bender]

dopey pen conceded by west ham...lampard scores 1-0

[RichC]

Terrible cock up by the defender then

[Cormack74]

Is it Mariner in charge again?

[Daffy Duck]

http://www.tvgolo.com/match-showfull-1385224687---40

Jonjo Shelvey's winner against Fulham today. Thank god we got rid of that ****e.

[Shaggy]

He's a good player isn't he. Still young and will improve plenty. We sold for too little. Personally I would've loaned him. If United sold a young talent like him - England international and all - they'd get £10m for him.

[Bender]

He's a good player isn't he. Still young and will improve plenty. We sold for too little. Personally I would've loaned him. If United sold a young talent like him - England international and all - they'd get £10m for him.

Think shelvey's problem is lapses in concentration=errors

[Sarb]

Shelvey was a walking red card for us. Even when he came on as sub he would lunge at someone. He has been ok at Swansea, nothing special. Certainly not top 4 level. He regressed hugely after his red card against Utd.

Sometimes a change is good for a player

[Exiled_red]

He's a good player isn't he. Still young and will improve plenty. We sold for too little. Personally I would've loaned him. If United sold a young talent like him - England international and all - they'd get £10m for him.

[Shaggy]

[Reece]

Anyone else see Palace's red card? Makes the decision in our game even more infuriating when a red is given for that and not for what Mirallas did

[ChesterDave]

Missed it, but have just seen the Sunderland one.

That video posted in the General thread with that comical dive that won a penalty. Makes it look competent. Ghastly decision. Sure fire overturn.

[danperkins]

Horrendous decision by ref.. was a great,clean tackle by Brown. Infuriating stuff from refs this weekend.

[TheElephantMan]

If Wes Brown's challenge is a red card then football isn't a sport any more. It's just ridiculous. Football is going to end up like netball where everyone has to stop moving when a player has the ball.

[Exiled_red]

It's crazy that Brown's challenge was see as a red while Mirallas only got a yellow

From match of the day last night it looked like a lot of the refs had a 'mare yesterday

[john316]

I think they must have watched our game and decided to over compensate. ****ing abysmal officiating at times this season.