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    The Brazuca!!!!!

    Can't have a world cup forum - without a thread on the world cup ball!!

    i used to love the adidas tango looking ball that they used in italia 90/usa 94





    things went a bit silly with that jabulani fly away thing in South Africa



    And now it's the turn of the Brazuca

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    #2
    from the bbc

    It's one of the stars of the World Cup - the paintbrush with which the world's greatest footballing maestros must create their art.

    But is it up to the task? The Brazuca, the official ball of Brazil 2014, is the 12th ball created by Adidas for the World Cup.

    The company came under fire four years ago for the Jabulani, the official ball at the 2010 competition in South Africa, which was heavily criticised.

    "It's trajectory is unpredictable," claimed Italian goalkeeper Gianluigi Buffon, while Brazilian striker Luis Fabiano branded it "supernatural".

    Adidas claims the Brazuca has improved touch and accuracy.

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    If the players are sitting there listening to me they should not kick the ball as hard now compared with 2010”

    Dr Rabi Mehta
    Nasa
    "We do extensive flight path analysis and the results have shown constant and predictable paths, with deviations hardly recognisable," Adidas's football director Matthias Mecking told the BBC.

    Experts in aerodynamics interviewed by the BBC outline three factors that are expected to influence how the official ball of Brazil 2014 will behave.

    "The most important thing on the soccer ball is how much roughness you have," explained Dr Rabi Mehta, branch chief at the US space agency's (Nasa) Ames Research Center in California, and an aerodynamics expert.

    The amount of roughness, he explains, "dictates what the critical speed is going to be at which you get maximum 'knuckling' of the ball".

    He tested the Jabulani in a wind tunnel and has been looking at the Brazuca. The so called "knuckling effect" occurs when the ball does not spin or spins very little.

    Brazuca infographic
    Dr Mehta explains that when a relatively smooth ball with seams flies through the air without much spin, the air close to the surface is affected by the seams, producing an asymmetric flow. This asymmetry creates forces that can suddenly knock the ball, causing volatile swoops.

    But "when the ball is spinning you get the Magnus effect that makes the ball curve", he explains.

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    The seams of a football disturb the flow of the air”

    Simon Choppin
    Sheffield Hallam University
    "It's spin-induced side force. So when you see these banana kicks around the wall - for the free kicks like Bend It Like Beckham... that is exactly the Magnus effect."

    It is the knuckling effect and the smoother surface of the Jabulani, compared to the Brazuca, that explains its unpredictability, according to the Nasa engineer.

    Older, traditional balls that have been internally stitched with the standard 32 panels "knuckled" at around 48 km/h (30 mph).

    "The smoother you make the ball, the higher the speed at which it knuckles," says Dr Mehta.

    "In essence what happened in my opinion is that with the traditional ball, the critical speed at which you got maximum knuckling was lower than the typical kicking speed in World Cup soccer.

    "By making the ball smoother, that critical speed went up and happened to coincide with the typical kicking speeds, about 50, 55 mph (80, 88 km/h), especially in free kick situations."

    Luis Fabiano
    Brazilian striker Luis Fabiano (L) described the 2010 World Cup's Jabulani ball as "supernatural"
    By making this year's ball rougher, according to Dr Mehta, "we're back to square one".

    The texture of the Brazuca is rougher. "They have what I would call tiny little pimples, which also would help in terms of the aerodynamics," says Dr Mehta.

    "If you compare this to the Teamgeist (the official ball at the 2006 World Cup in Germany), the areas apart from the seams were very smooth. The rougher texture would also help solve other issues, like when you kick the ball there is more friction between the boot and the ball."

    But the major factor influencing the roughness is the geometry of the ball's seams.

    "Seams are important because they determine to a large extent the roughness of the ball," Dr Mehta told the BBC.

    The Brazuca has six thermally bonded propeller-shaped panels, less than the eight of the Jabulani, the 14 of the Teamgeist or the 32 of traditional footballs. Adidas says the new seam geometry will give the ball aerodynamic accuracy and a stable flight.

    Fewer panels could actually make the ball smoother, but new ball's roughness is increased in other ways, says Dr Simon Choppin, a research fellow at the Centre for Sports Engineering Research at Sheffield Hallam University, who has measured the seams of the Brazuca.

    Seams compared
    The Brazuca (L) has different seam geometry to that of the Jabulani ball (R)
    "A colleague of mine, Dr John Hart, scanned the surface of the Brazuca and the Jabulani using a laser scanner. This gave us a 3-D model of the balls' seams to measure and analyse," Dr Choppin explains.

    "We found that the depth of the Jabulani's seams is around 0.48 mm, while the new Brazuca football has seams 1.56 mm deep - more than three times deeper.

    "In addition, I measured the lengths of the seams on each ball by tracing them with string. The total length of the seams on the Jabulani is around 203cm and around 327cm on the Brazuca. Not only are the seams on the Brazuca deeper, but they're longer too."

    For Simon Choppin, the deeper and longer seams of the Brazuca, compared with the Jabulani, make it more like a traditional stitched football - and wind tunnel tests back up this assertion.

    Rougher balls also travel further. As a football flies through the air, its seams stir and agitate the air - like the dimples do on a golf ball or the fluff on a tennis ball, explains Dr Choppin.

    "This agitation is essential for fast and reliable flight. A perfectly smooth ball experiences large amounts of drag and high aerodynamic forces."

    He added: "The seams of a football disturb the flow of the air.

    Brazuca test
    Experts have carried out extensive tests on the new ball
    "This results in a smaller wake-area of low pressure - behind the ball - reducing the pressure difference and reducing the force, which slows the ball down. The lower drag force means the ball travels for a longer distance."

    So what was the final verdict of the scientists?

    "I am pretty sure the Brazuca is going to behave more like the traditional 32-panel internally stitched ball, so the complaints we got in the last two World Cups will be minimised," says Rabi Mehta.

    For Simon Choppin, "the seams are more effective agitators of the air, so the knuckling effect is less likely to occur at high speeds. I think the Brazuca will be more stable at high speed than its predecessors".

    Dr Mehta says it's the knuckling effect that makes life difficult for goalkeepers.

    "What the players have figured out is that it is better to kick the ball with no spin or little spin," he says.

    "They've been doing it for years, ever since I was a kid I saw some players kick it with their toes so that it doesn't spin much and that's trying to get the knuckling effect.

    "For the Brazuca, the critical speed to get maximum knuckling effect is around 30mph (48km/h). For the Jabulani it was more like 50mph (80km/h).

    "So if the players are sitting there listening to me they should not kick the ball as hard now compared with 2010."
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      #3
      Its too light, it moves in the air, its like a beach ball ect ect ect

      I loved that Tango from USA 94. But Ive no idea why they cant just use a standard design. Its beautiful in its simplicity.

      *Except Michael, who died.

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        #4
        One of my teachers in school was a lunatic who invented a football, spent a good 40k on it. Hoping nike or addias would buy it off him for millions

        Every time someone misbehaved, he'd shout no ball for you when my design is used

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          #5
          i think it was around france 98 - in fact must have been

          i worked at jd sports part time - and i used to sort the deliveries.

          One day, i opened up the box, and they had the official world cup ball - straight away using this proper electric air pump we had, i set the pressure and pumped one up so it was perfect...

          next - i opened another box....in there was a brand new spanking pair of Ronaldo's boots....the orignal R9's, that were like £150 which at the time was mind boggling - so i laced up a pair of size 9

          i then set up a load of shoe boxes to create a wall in the warehouse, a makeshift goal on the wall

          and spent the day pinging free kicks around the warehouse

          at the end of the day, i took the scuffed boots off, deflated the scuffed ball - and hid right down at the back of the stock/warehouse.
          i own everton fans on the internet....that's what i do

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            #6
            Originally posted by Liverpool View Post
            One of my teachers in school was a lunatic who invented a football, spent a good 40k on it. Hoping nike or addias would buy it off him for millions

            Every time someone misbehaved, he'd shout no ball for you when my design is used
            hahaha amazing
            i own everton fans on the internet....that's what i do

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              #7
              it was these

              i own everton fans on the internet....that's what i do

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                #8
                which reminds

                Luis Suarez's knitted boots didn't seem to go how nike wanted

                big build up, worn once....disappeared of the face of the earth
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by PTP View Post
                  hahaha amazing
                  the lesson was spent asking him questions about patents, how much money the companies will save. Totally unaware everyone was taking the piss out of him.
                  Originally posted by PTP View Post
                  it was these

                  I had them but the blue/yellow bits were black

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                    #10
                    Adidas Tango is the greatest football of all time. A truly beautiful ball.
                    "Its not about the long ball or the short ball, its about the right ball." Bob Paisley

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by PTP View Post
                      which reminds

                      Luis Suarez's knitted boots didn't seem to go how nike wanted

                      big build up, worn once....disappeared of the face of the earth
                      Wasn't he wearing them for the last few games??

                      I noticed he was slipping over a hell of a lot in the last 3-4 games. He'd continually be looking at his boots and picking grass and dirt out the bottoms. It frustrated me a lot.
                      "When a man insults my country I insult him, by taking his woman" Tony Yeboah

                      "looking through your posts since 2007 and what you have consistently written about my football team I have come to the conclusion that if you had 1 more brain cell you would be a plant .. your father was a hamster and your mother smells of elder berries, I fart in your general direction ..." Nicey

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                        #12
                        Nah he swapped back to the normal leather ones after one game.

                        Aren't Nike's new boots with the "socks" stitched in knitted too? Think most Nike book wearers will be rocking them in the World Cup.
                        The times they are a changin'.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Alex View Post
                          Its too light, it moves in the air, its like a beach ball ect ect ect

                          I loved that Tango from USA 94. But Ive no idea why they cant just use a standard design. Its beautiful in its simplicity.

                          Have a look on the Adidas site, they're selling this design
                          www.terracehound.com

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                            #14
                            the tango is the best ball ever followed by this blast from the past
                            Oh I say his vision there was lovely

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                              #15


                              They do still sell the Tango
                              *Except Michael, who died.

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