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    Frank de Boer

    shame he is only 5' 11" compared to kloppy at 6' 4"

    just reading his wiki... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_de_Boer

    De Boer was offered the chance to interview for the Liverpool job but turned it down to remain with Ajax. "I am honoured by the request [from Liverpool] but I have only just started with Ajax," he said.

    Managerial career[edit]

    Frank de Boer has managed Ajax since 2010.
    In 2007, De Boer took up a coaching role at his former club Ajax where he was in charge of the club's youth sector. During the 2010 World Cup, he was the assistant of the Netherlands national football team, with retired player Phillip Cocu.[16]
    On 6 December 2010, after the resignation of Martin Jol, De Boer was appointed caretaker manager of Ajax until the winter break. His first game in charge was a UEFA Champions League match against A.C. Milan at the San Siro, a game they won 2–0 through goals from Demy de Zeeuw and Toby Alderweireld.[17]
    He then went on to help Ajax become champions of the Eredivisie for the 2010–11 season in a 3–1 home victory over FC Twente, the champions of the previous year, on the final matchday. Making the first year of his professional coaching career a golden one. "I couldn't have wished for a more beautiful birthday present," said De Boer, as the club's 30th championship was won on his 41st birthday.[18]
    In two and a half years at the helm of Ajax, De Boer has already won three championships, making eight in total (when including the five that he won as a player). According to reports, De Boer was offered the chance to interview for the Liverpool job but turned it down to remain with Ajax. "I am honoured by the request [from Liverpool] but I have only just started with Ajax," he said.[19] In 2013, De Boer received the Rinus Michels Award for manager of the year in the Netherlands after leading Ajax to their third successive Eredivisie title.[4]
    On 27 April 2014, De Boer won his fourth successive Eredivisie title with Ajax, the first manager ever to achieve this in the Dutch league. Moreover, it is the first time Ajax has ever won four successive titles. De Boer has now won nine championships with Ajax, another record. Johan Cruijff, Sjaak Swart and Jack Reynolds all won eight championships with Ajax.
    In May 2014, De Boer was heavily linked to the manager's job at English Premier League side, Tottenham Hotspur.[20]
    In January 2015, De Boer was linked with a possible move to English Premier League team Newcastle United.[21] However if De Boer was to move to Newcastle United it is likely not to happen until the summer of 2015.[22]

    summer 2015
    removing all the weak links makes us stronger

    too many gutless players, no beef or desire. pussies everywhere... sack them all.

    #2
    Can he organise a defence?
    Can he develop younger players?
    Would Coutinho flourish?
    Is he tactically adaptable?
    Does he have good teeth?
    Was muß, das muß.

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      #3
      Proof (must be true if in Wiki) that Brendog was not first choice, if De Boer and Kloppy were approached for the job, it shows we are still ambitious.
      Those that hid Anne Frank were breaking the law.
      Those that killed her, were following the law.

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        #4
        I've seen a few people absolutely raving about the youth set up at Ajax as proof he would do the same here- That's not true, he has very little impact on that, its been set up in a very specific way for years and years- none of which is down to De Boer.
        Originally posted by fah-q
        Didn't someone once see Philip Schofield ****ting into a crisp packet?

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          #5
          Originally posted by meffin View Post
          I've seen a few people absolutely raving about the youth set up at Ajax as proof he would do the same here- That's not true, he has very little impact on that, its been set up in a very specific way for years and years- none of which is down to De Boer.
          this may well be true, but he will know that youth system inside and out.
          removing all the weak links makes us stronger

          too many gutless players, no beef or desire. pussies everywhere... sack them all.

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            #6
            Originally posted by meffin View Post
            I've seen a few people absolutely raving about the youth set up at Ajax as proof he would do the same here- That's not true, he has very little impact on that, its been set up in a very specific way for years and years- none of which is down to De Boer.

            Not exactly true. There have been some changes to the Ajax youth and reserve set ups during de Boer's time as manager, and at least one major change (the moving of the reserve team into a proper competitive league) was something that de Boer was quite vocal about for some time.


            But what I think is more important than any changes is what de Boer has done with what was already in place. Ajax were going through a bit of a slump when he came in. They were six years without a league title, and had only won the league twice in over a decade when he came in. de Boer then won the league in his first season, and went on to win it four times in a
            row, with the chance of that becoming five in a row this season. That was a massive change in fortunes and he, using the same set up that those before him did was able to excel.

            Tactically he brought back a lot of what would be traditionally associated with Ajax team of old, and he has shown himself to be quite good at bringing through young players (be they from the youth system or bought elsewhere) and getting performances from them.

            Another thing I like about him is that Ajax have lost big name players at the end of most of the seasons he has been manager and each following season he managed to get his team to win the title.
            I don't hate people. I just feel better when they aren't around.


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              #7
              De Boer has done a great job at Ajax no doubts. Watching them this season though it's clear to see that it's time for him to move on.

              The only thing i'd be slightly concerned about with De Boer is the slow tempo Ajax play at. Now i don't know if it's the league, players etc but the tempo and build up is painfully slow & that kind of setup wouldn't cut it in the premier league.

              Be interesting to see how he does outside of the Eredivisie.

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                #8
                Originally posted by danperkins View Post
                De Boer has done a great job at Ajax no doubts. Watching them this season though it's clear to see that it's time for him to move on.

                The only thing i'd be slightly concerned about with De Boer is the slow tempo Ajax play at. Now i don't know if it's the league, players etc but the tempo and build up is painfully slow & that kind of setup wouldn't cut it in the premier league.

                Be interesting to see how he does outside of the Eredivisie.


                Not really a fair comment as Ajax have played at different tempos under de Boer.

                Generally they play a pressing game, and depending on their squad they will cut through the centre in a manner similar to Arsenal or use the wide players for a quick release before using the central players to push at the other team.

                A big part in de Boer's teams over the past five seasons playing with a different tempo from season to season would, imo, boil down to the fact that Ajax have lost a lot of big names during those seasons and de Boer has had to reshuffle his attack, centre and back line during that time.

                For me that shows him to be quite an adaptable manager as we have seen first hand the impact losing a key player can have.

                This season he lost Blind and Siem de Jong.
                The season before he lost Eriksen and Alderweireld.
                2012/13 saw Vertonghen, van der Wiel, and Anita leave.
                2011/12 - de Zeeuw, and Stekelenburg
                2010/11 - Suarez, and Emanuelson


                Now I am not saying all those players were top class,but nearly all were first team regulars and played important roles in de Boer's various set ups.

                In Vertonghen, van der Wiel, and Alderweireld he pretty much lost three quarters of his back line in two seasons and that was on top of losing his first choice keeper the season before.

                Eriksen was a big player for them. Suarez had silly stats there, and de Jong was a useful player in their set up.


                As I said, we know exactly how it feels and what can happen when important players leave, but, unlike us, Ajax under de Boer continued to win titles despite losing key players and de Boer got more right than wrong when he was forced to change tactics due to the loss of players.

                I think he is a very clever manager, and one who just might have the ability to do likewise at a much bigger club, no disrespect meant to Ajax as they currently are, that the one he is at now.
                I don't hate people. I just feel better when they aren't around.


                Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness

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                  #9
                  If he was winning leagues with those players then he's either a ****ing good manager or the Dutch league is ****.
                  Was muß, das muß.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by foresterbloke View Post
                    If he was winning leagues with those players then he's either a ****ing good manager or the Dutch league is ****.

                    The Eredivisie is not a **** league. Obvs it is not as strong a league as those that contain the likes of Real, Barca, Bayern, Chelsea etc., but it has a few good teams in it, and it was a league that saw Ajax stop being the number one team in it for most of a decade before de Boer arrived. It would not be as balanced a league as the EPL in that certain clubs become canon fodder but is probably closer to La Liga in terms of various tiers within the league.

                    Ajax are a rich club in Dutch terms, but their run from the late 1990s right up to 2010 showed that rich clubs can falter and not sweep all before them.

                    Think you are being a bit harsh on the players I named as well. Quite a few of them would be good enough to replace players in our current team.

                    Alderweireld, van der Wiel, Eriksen, Vertonghen, Stekelenburg (as he was when he left Ajax), and of course Suarez would be good enough to play for the current Liverpool team.
                    I don't hate people. I just feel better when they aren't around.


                    Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness

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                      #11
                      a great summary, Jaco.
                      removing all the weak links makes us stronger

                      too many gutless players, no beef or desire. pussies everywhere... sack them all.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Jaco_Pastorious View Post
                        Not really a fair comment as Ajax have played at different tempos under de Boer.

                        Generally they play a pressing game, and depending on their squad they will cut through the centre in a manner similar to Arsenal or use the wide players for a quick release before using the central players to push at the other team.

                        A big part in de Boer's teams over the past five seasons playing with a different tempo from season to season would, imo, boil down to the fact that Ajax have lost a lot of big names during those seasons and de Boer has had to reshuffle his attack, centre and back line during that time.

                        For me that shows him to be quite an adaptable manager as we have seen first hand the impact losing a key player can have.

                        This season he lost Blind and Siem de Jong.
                        The season before he lost Eriksen and Alderweireld.
                        2012/13 saw Vertonghen, van der Wiel, and Anita leave.
                        2011/12 - de Zeeuw, and Stekelenburg
                        2010/11 - Suarez, and Emanuelson


                        Now I am not saying all those players were top class,but nearly all were first team regulars and played important roles in de Boer's various set ups.

                        In Vertonghen, van der Wiel, and Alderweireld he pretty much lost three quarters of his back line in two seasons and that was on top of losing his first choice keeper the season before.

                        Eriksen was a big player for them. Suarez had silly stats there, and de Jong was a useful player in their set up.


                        As I said, we know exactly how it feels and what can happen when important players leave, but, unlike us, Ajax under de Boer continued to win titles despite losing key players and de Boer got more right than wrong when he was forced to change tactics due to the loss of players.

                        I think he is a very clever manager, and one who just might have the ability to do likewise at a much bigger club, no disrespect meant to Ajax as they currently are, that the one he is at now.
                        I'm a fan of Boer mate I wasn't criticising them. Having watched them a lot this season I'm just saying that they play a relaxed tempo in comparison to what we see succeeding in the premier league. Not concerned about players they've lost etc just commenting on this season with the players they have.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by danperkins View Post
                          I'm a fan of Boer mate I wasn't criticising them. Having watched them a lot this season I'm just saying that they play a relaxed tempo in comparison to what we see succeeding in the premier league. Not concerned about players they've lost etc just commenting on this season with the players they have.

                          Yeah but the players they lost will have an impact upon the style of play. I think it is to de Boer's credit that he can lose key players season after season and style churn out title winning teams despite having to tweak how his team plays from one season to the next.

                          He has lost most of his back line, his playmaker, a few goal scorers, a keeper that was player of the season a couple of times etc., and still manages to find a way to get who he has left (plus whatever new faces he brings in) to work together as a team but maybe with a few variations on how they played the season before.

                          Basically it suggests that not only is he an adaptable coach/manager in terms of being able to change his own ideas, he is also good at getting his ideas across to his coaching staff and to the players he is in charge of.

                          He actually reminds me a bit of Wenger in that respect. Reading back over Wenger's early years it seems he was similar in terms of how he implemented his ideas and when he moved to Arsenal he simply had a higher calibre of player to go with his coaching style.
                          I don't hate people. I just feel better when they aren't around.


                          Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness

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                            #14
                            What about European football? What is his record in Europe?

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Jaco_Pastorious View Post
                              Yeah but the players they lost will have an impact upon the style of play. I think it is to de Boer's credit that he can lose key players season after season and style churn out title winning teams despite having to tweak how his team plays from one season to the next.

                              He has lost most of his back line, his playmaker, a few goal scorers, a keeper that was player of the season a couple of times etc., and still manages to find a way to get who he has left (plus whatever new faces he brings in) to work together as a team but maybe with a few variations on how they played the season before.

                              Basically it suggests that not only is he an adaptable coach/manager in terms of being able to change his own ideas, he is also good at getting his ideas across to his coaching staff and to the players he is in charge of.

                              He actually reminds me a bit of Wenger in that respect. Reading back over Wenger's early years it seems he was similar in terms of how he implemented his ideas and when he moved to Arsenal he simply had a higher calibre of player to go with his coaching style.
                              Such is the way of Ajax mate, the ultimate selling club. I don't disagree.. De Boer has done a brilliant job at Ajax and will never get his dues as some people will say that it's just the Dutch league.

                              I will be very interested to see how he does in his next venture. Watching them this season I think he's the right time for him to go.

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