Safe Standing and Rail Seating

[baitman]

not sure if we have a thread about rail seating?

i was in a discussion earlier and the subject of rail seating came up so i thought id copy this here.

I would love to see all the kop, anny road and the lower main stand all rail seating.
Rail seating is 1:1 ratio with the seats so the capacity will not alter, but it will help the atmosphere and will be safer for anyone who is standing.
I also used to stand on the kop when it was over 20,000 back in the late 1970's and it was amazing, but not very safe.

people going to the game knowing they are going to stand might make going to anfield a bit less of a tourist experience and more of a proper fan thing. look at the difference in atmosphere when we play midweek euro or league games compared to boring weekend games full of people who sit there with their phones out all game while wearing their brand new salah shirts. a season ticket amnesty and a new system where only the ticket holder or one other named person [with verified ID] can use the ticket or it can be credited on the lfc share system will help make more tickets available for locals and proper fans who travel, not the tourists who go and spend some money in the shop but dont sing in the ground.

[dom9]

A worthy topic worthy of its own thread as it's not gonna happen at Anfield any time soon.

[The Red Cardinal]

I would hope that it wouldn't be 1:1 - increased capacity has been shown to be manageable. Isn't Bundesliga 1.5 : 1?

I remember reading a report some time ago from one of the campaign groups saying you could almost double capacity safely...

Found the link:

http://www.safestandingroadshow.co.uk/the-case-for-safe-standing/case-for-3

I appreciate the need to tread carefully and lightly, but 1:1 would be a missed opportunity for me.

[baitman]

Rail Seating

rail seating and safe standing.

there has been some discussion with fans groups to see if they would like to support some safe standing sections at football grounds.

celtic have a safe standing rail seat section and i believe representatives from the Spirit of Shankly group went along to see it for themselves.



Rail seats can be flipped up and locked in place providing an individual space for fans to stand behind a waist high rail that runs along the back of every row. the celtic rail seating take the same space as the old seat, so the rail seat to seat ratio is 1:1. this means the same capacity as before, and it will then comply with uefa rules for european games.

further reading from the anfield wrap here; https://www.theanfieldwrap.com/2017/...y-not-the-few/

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/38014711

[baitman]

A worthy topic worthy of its own thread as it's not gonna happen at Anfield any time soon.

i have started a new thread in the general footbal section as its a football wide debate, not just about LFC.

https://www.est1892.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?p=3484627#post3484627

maybe a mod could move the previous posts to that section please.
from post #6014. ta. x

[meffin]

So the club would have to pay to replace all seating but not see any more revenue? Cant see many doing it

[Bender]

It's gonna come in....

[dom9]

i have started a new thread in the general footbal section as its a football wide debate, not just about LFC.

https://www.est1892.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?p=3484627#post3484627

maybe a mod could move the previous posts to that section please.
from post #6014. ta. x

[baitman]

So the club would have to pay to replace all seating but not see any more revenue? Cant see many doing it

it'd happen section by section. at celtic they added a 3,000 section.
shrewsbury will be installing 555 rail seats soon.

this is what they look like.

[dom9]

So the club would have to pay to replace all seating but not see any more revenue? Cant see many doing it

It's more than about revenue.

It's about generating atmosphere which in turn improves the whole product.

[baitman]

so its a normal seat when we have a european match [1:1 ratio for uefa rules] and it can be lifted and locked into place to make it a safe standing are for each fan.

[baitman]

Sports Minister Tracy Crouch has confirmed that a full official government review will be had into all-seater laws for English stadiums.



More than 100,000 people signed a petition asking the government to back the introduction of safe standing with football grounds.

Since the Hillsborough disaster in 1989, all clubs in the top two leagues in English football have been required by law to have all-seater stadiums.

Now, MP Crouch has announced in parliament that initial findings could be completed on the subject before the end of the year, report the Echo.

“Today I can announce we will commission an external analysis of evidence relating to the all-seater policy,” Crouch said.

“The one thing we need to do is collect and analyse the evidence that exists and ensure that all views on this issue can be heard and considered before we make any changes to the all-seater policy.

“Change cannot and should not happen overnight on something as serious as football ground safety. My mind is open on the future of the all-seater policy.”

Some clubs, including West Brom, had offered to be put forward as a trial run as to how safe standing could work—but Crouch says the law simply doesn’t allow it at present.

“The legislative framework as it is currently set out means I cannot allow for any pilots.

“There is no wriggle room; it is either the status quo or change the legislation.

“I look forward to working closely with the Premier League and the English Football League (EFL) and other football organisations, including the Football Supporters Federation, who I met last week.”

https://www.thisisanfield.com/2018/06/government-to-hold-official-review-into-all-seater-stadium-laws/

[meffin]

It's more than about revenue.

It's about generating atmosphere which in turn improves the whole product.

It is to the fans, but not the finance director who's going to be the one to sign it off

[dom9]

It is to the fans, but not the finance director who's going to be the one to sign it off

So why are Celtic, West Brom and others wanting to do it?

[Leyton388]

It will be reviewed and rejected. I can't see any sitting home Secretary giving this the go ahead. If they did and s9mething went wrong they'd be hell to pay.