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    Why we lost today...

    Firstly, not gonna point fingers at anyone. Not really any point. Everyone gave 100% from players, to manager, to fans. Cant ask for more. Dudek should've done better with the goals, Carra messed up with Henry's, Rafa maybe got team selection wrong (Dudek and no Bellamy) but those things do happen.

    What became apparent though, was that when teams put men behind the ball and maintain their solidity and shape, we struggle for answers. It got so congested in the middle that it was impossible to play through them.

    Lesser teams would probably fail to keep their shape and concentration all the way through and we'd probably be able to open them up eventually.
    But top sides are different. They were superb at making it busy and closing off space in the central areas of their third of the park. And we lacked spark and creativity needed to break them down. That can often happen, no whinges there. What the problem is though, is that, when teams do that, you have to stretch it and go wide. And we did.

    That's where we hit on the crux of the problem - we do not have any genuine quality in wide areas. None. We have 'ok players' there, which is enough for mediocrity, yes. But not enough if you want to challenge. We failed to do what was necessary to get through a well-drilled backline.

    And that left us with only one option - random hopeful high balls, hope Crouch can knock it down to a red shirt and maybe something can materialise.

    It's very disappointing. It left us with set pieces as our only genuine threat IMO.

    But i suppose it's nothing we dont already know. We're woeful in wide areas, our options are average at best. Solving it, is another issue maybe.

    Dunno how good this Ashley Young lad is, but if he's any good, bring him in.
    Move heaven and earth to get Aaron Lennon too.

    All that aside, superb effort from the Kop today, was a pleasure to be a part of it. Credit to Arsenal who did their job and you cant fail to admire the class of Henry, as a player and a gentleman.

    Our lads worked their socks off today and we should be proud of that. I certainly am. Fingers crossed for more of the same on Tuesday, with a different outcome.

    #2
    I would welcome better wingers.

    But the problem today was not the quality out there but lack of movement without the ball.

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      #3
      I don't rate Lennon to be honest. Loads of pace but his final ball is often lacking.
      There are very few genuine wingers around, players who can create space for a cross and then deliver consistenly as well as posing a goal threat.

      In fact, I can only think of C.Ronaldo and Robben. I suppose SWP used to show these qualities.
      Originally posted by Gordon Brown
      (1995)
      "A weak currency is the sign of a weak economy,which is the sign of a weak government"

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        #4
        Originally posted by einar View Post
        I would welcome better wingers.

        But the problem today was not the quality out there but lack of movement without the ball.
        Possibly, but our wingers never look like beating a man, or providing a goal threat. They just aint good enough. They do the job against your Boro and Reading kinda opponents. But against the top sides, they aint got what it takes.

        Dunno about Young, but i'm willing to try. Otherwise, there aint a lot out there. I rate Lennon and SWP as the best of the realistic options though.

        We desperately need something. Badly.

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          #5
          I don't see SWP as a realistic target for us. The Chavs will only sell to teams which are of no threat eg: Newcastle (Parker,Duff) West Ham (rumoured to be SWP). The Gallas sale was an exception so they could get Ashley Cole.
          Originally posted by Gordon Brown
          (1995)
          "A weak currency is the sign of a weak economy,which is the sign of a weak government"

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            #6
            Originally posted by Red Chilli View Post
            I don't see SWP as a realistic target for us. The Chavs will only sell to teams which are of no threat eg: Newcastle (Parker,Duff) West Ham (rumoured to be SWP). The Gallas sale was an exception so they could get Ashley Cole.
            Maybe true, but i havent given up all hope just yet.

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              #7
              Originally posted by DJS View Post
              Possibly, but our wingers never look like beating a man, or providing a goal threat. They just aint good enough. They do the job against your Boro and Reading kinda opponents. But against the top sides, they aint got what it takes.

              Dunno about Young, but i'm willing to try. Otherwise, there aint a lot out there. I rate Lennon and SWP as the best of the realistic options though.

              We desperately need something. Badly.
              If the team is playing pass and move no one has to beat a man.

              There are very few players who actually have that as a major part of their game.

              Henry ( not today though ) Ronaldo Robben Lennon mabe.

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                #8
                Originally posted by einar View Post
                I would welcome better wingers.

                But the problem today was not the quality out there but lack of movement without the ball.
                I agree.

                We're generally poor at making runs and dragging defenders out of position, it's the main reason we missed Bellamy today. Crouch can't do it, his movement is awful.

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                  #9
                  Why was Bellamy on the bench? Surely he has to be fit to play, in case of injury? Yet, not a minute of action. Odd.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by einar View Post
                    If the team is playing pass and move no one has to beat a man.

                    There are very few players who actually have that as a major part of their game.

                    Henry ( not today though ) Ronaldo Robben Lennon mabe.
                    I dont dispute that. I would say though, that there are times when the movement WILL be poor. If you've a top winger who CAN beat a man and make things happen, you give yourself an entirely additional dimension.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by DJS View Post
                      Why was Bellamy on the bench? Surely he has to be fit to play, in case of injury? Yet, not a minute of action. Odd.
                      I've no idea.

                      He warmed up for the whole of the second half, he was obviously keen to play but Rafa didn't want to put him on.

                      Strange.

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                        #12
                        After it went 3-1, i could understand it, but from the 46th minute up until then, it was crying out for his movement and pace. Alright, maybe give it 10-15 mins, but then we hit the hour mark and still nothing.

                        Cant fathom it whatsoever. Nothing's been reported to the tune of him maybe tweaking anything, or the like?

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by DJS View Post
                          I dont dispute that. I would say though, that there are times when the movement WILL be poor. If you've a top winger who CAN beat a man and make things happen, you give yourself an entirely additional dimension.
                          Movement should never be poor. Running without the ball is the easy part. Even I can do that.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by DJS View Post
                            I dont dispute that. I would say though, that there are times when the movement WILL be poor. If you've a top winger who CAN beat a man and make things happen, you give yourself an entirely additional dimension.
                            We defend in two banks of four, generally quite deep.

                            It's easier to beat a man when you're attacking at pace on the counter but the fact is we're always too deep to be really effective on the break (particularly without Bellamy). It means that we give the oppositon time to regroup then give the ball to our winger and effectively say "there you go lad, beat two players and get a cross in"

                            And this whole long diagonal ball thing is ridiculous, is it reasonable to expect a winger to beat his man when he has to take the ball down on his chest with the defender on top of him ?

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by DJS View Post
                              Why was Bellamy on the bench? Surely he has to be fit to play, in case of injury? Yet, not a minute of action. Odd.
                              I think he was going to come on if we were in with a chance, a last throw of the dice if you like but not able to play at maximum level for more than 10 minutes or so. Of course he could have been risked in an emergency.

                              I'm sure he was abot to come on before that 3rd goal went in.
                              Originally posted by Gordon Brown
                              (1995)
                              "A weak currency is the sign of a weak economy,which is the sign of a weak government"

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