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    Knowing your best 11

    A major complaint aimed at Rafa is that he doesn't know who his best 11 players are, but if he had the players he really wanted, who of our current squad would make the starting line-up?
    Reina
    Carra Agger
    Alonso Gerrard
    Kuyt (possibly)

    If you think of United, you know who their best 11 players are, because when Ferguson needed to strength, he had a good enough base to add to, the same can be said about Arsenal, when Wenger arrived they already had the best defence in England, and Bergkamp. And Mourinho came into a squad that already had massive investment and added hundreds of millions towards that. (The fact that he is complaining about his squad being too thin is ridiculous).

    Benitez came in with nothing. At the time of his arrival there were 2 players that were essential Gerrard and Owen (Carra has become essential under Rafa imo) and he lost Owen. There is talk that he has been given £65m; but that is to fund a squad of 22 players, not to advance what was already there.

    The closest situation to Rafa is where Ferguson was when he first arrived at United, and it took him many years until he had a team good enough to compete. It just goes to show what an incredible job Rafa has done here.

    From this point though, two things can happen:
    1. No investment
    If Rafa sticks around it will still take many years before the squad is ready to even compete for the title. In this age though, time is not available, even if you have won the European Cup, FA Cup and attained your highest league points total in 15 years; in your first 2 seasons. Unfortunately, without investment, I feel it will only be a matter of time before the scum overtake our league titles record.

    2. Investment
    With this Rafa will have the money to get the players he needs; and I have complete faith in his ability to turn us into a title winning side. It's impossible to say we will win immediately under him, but given the resources we will be in a position to compete.

    Without investment, we better get used to the way we are feeling at the moment, because battling it out for a champions league spot is the best we can hope for.
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    #2
    Great post mate.
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      #3
      Very good post

      We have six players that is good enough and would be in a starting XI week in week out.

      Sissoko still have to improve his passing game to be considered a starting XI player every week.
      Just believe and you never know what will happen.

      According to Benitez it's important not simply to go out to win but to go out prepared to win, which means players have to put in the same level of work on a daily basis. Anything else is unacceptable.

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        #4
        Originally posted by friedk View Post
        A major complaint aimed at Rafa is that he doesn't know who his best 11 players are, but if he had the players he really wanted, who of our current squad would make the starting line-up?
        Reina
        Carra Agger
        Alonso Gerrard
        Kuyt (possibly)

        If you think of United, you know who their best 11 players are, because when Ferguson needed to strength, he had a good enough base to add to, the same can be said about Arsenal, when Wenger arrived they already had the best defence in England, and Bergkamp. And Mourinho came into a squad that already had massive investment and added hundreds of millions towards that. (The fact that he is complaining about his squad being too thin is ridiculous).

        Benitez came in with nothing. At the time of his arrival there were 2 players that were essential Gerrard and Owen (Carra has become essential under Rafa imo) and he lost Owen. There is talk that he has been given £65m; but that is to fund a squad of 22 players, not to advance what was already there.

        The closest situation to Rafa is where Ferguson was when he first arrived at United, and it took him many years until he had a team good enough to compete. It just goes to show what an incredible job Rafa has done here.

        From this point though, two things can happen:
        1. No investment
        If Rafa sticks around it will still take many years before the squad is ready to even compete for the title. In this age though, time is not available, even if you have won the European Cup, FA Cup and attained your highest league points total in 15 years; in your first 2 seasons. Unfortunately, without investment, I feel it will only be a matter of time before the scum overtake our league titles record.

        2. Investment
        With this Rafa will have the money to get the players he needs; and I have complete faith in his ability to turn us into a title winning side. It's impossible to say we will win immediately under him, but given the resources we will be in a position to compete.

        Without investment, we better get used to the way we are feeling at the moment, because battling it out for a champions league spot is the best we can hope for.
        Originally posted by ShaggyAlonso View Post
        Great post mate.
        Originally posted by AFII View Post
        Very good post
        An OK post.

        (Just following the trend. Actually I think you make a lot of good points.)
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          #5
          The thing that annoys me is how everyone carries on about this best 11 nonsense.

          Sorry but is it a rule in the game that there must be a set 11 to play every week? Is it written that Rafa must know his best 11 and he must write it in stone?

          Baloney.

          And how do we know he doesn't anyway? How many people have actually sat down with Rafa and discussed this with him?

          Maybe he wants our team to not be so predictable so we aren't easy to play against. People moan and moan about our changes but it can also work for us, us the fans don't have a clue what Rafa will play most of the time so how will the other teams?

          Rant over.

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            #6
            you only have to look at the cost of our record sigining, 14mill. Scum and the chavs are well into 30mill and have consistently been able to spend 15mill + every season on a single player every season. What they spend on 1 player we end up having to spunk on 2/3 players just to provide a foundation, but have to rely on these guys as the ones to push us to the title. In reality the players we have bought, would be resevers elsewhere.


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              #7
              Originally posted by AFII View Post
              Very good post

              We have six players that is good enough and would be in a starting XI week in week out.

              Sissoko still have to improve his passing game to be considered a starting XI player every week.
              You must be kidding. Sissoko is an absolute certain starter when he's fit. Rafa really rates him and we had a lot better balance and shape with him in the team. Gerrard will be back on the right

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                #8
                Hyypia is still a top class centre back and worthy of a place in any best eleven.

                Agger has not proved he warrants top billing yet.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Redspin View Post
                  You must be kidding. Sissoko is an absolute certain starter when he's fit. Rafa really rates him and we had a lot better balance and shape with him in the team. Gerrard will be back on the right
                  A better balance?? We have only been winning since he injured himself. This is more to do with players finding form than his abilities but Gerrard creates a 3rd presence in the box where Momo cannot.

                  There are games where each CM is suited and there are some where they aren't. Gerrard is suited to every game where Sissoko's inability infront of goal severely inhibits his game and his contribution to the team.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by LFCman View Post
                    The thing that annoys me is how everyone carries on about this best 11 nonsense.

                    Sorry but is it a rule in the game that there must be a set 11 to play every week? Is it written that Rafa must know his best 11 and he must write it in stone?

                    Baloney.

                    And how do we know he doesn't anyway? How many people have actually sat down with Rafa and discussed this with him?

                    Maybe he wants our team to not be so predictable so we aren't easy to play against. People moan and moan about our changes but it can also work for us, us the fans don't have a clue what Rafa will play most of the time so how will the other teams?

                    Rant over.
                    Thats a good post mate
                    Rafa is not a best 11 man, he has his methods, for example, he wont play a slow player marking a lightening quick world class winger, thats just an example.
                    Rafa will look at the opposition and then choose his best 11 to play against that team. Rafa wants a great squad, not just a great first 11.
                    The origional poster is correct in saying we need investment. But thats nothing new.
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                      #11
                      Rafa doesn't even accept the concept a 'Best 11'.

                      You have a squad from which you select the most suitable 16, bearing in mind form, fitness, tactics, opposition and games played and to be played.

                      Anyone who uses the phrase 'he doesn't know his best 11' as a criticism, is not just wrong, they are making a category mistake. It's a misformed statement.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by JRC View Post
                        Rafa doesn't even accept the concept a 'Best 11'.

                        You have a squad from which you select the most suitable 16, bearing in mind form, fitness, tactics, opposition and games played and to be played.

                        Anyone who uses the phrase 'he doesn't know his best 11' as a criticism, is not just wrong, they are making a category mistake. It's a misformed statement.
                        Amen.

                        (Although Rafa does go a bit postal with his rotation at times)
                        Remember, we're only adding to the nonsense.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by friedk View Post
                          A major complaint aimed at Rafa is that he doesn't know who his best 11 players are, but if he had the players he really wanted, who of our current squad would make the starting line-up?
                          Reina
                          Carra Agger
                          Alonso Gerrard
                          Kuyt (possibly)

                          If you think of United, you know who their best 11 players are, because when Ferguson needed to strength, he had a good enough base to add to, the same can be said about Arsenal, when Wenger arrived they already had the best defence in England, and Bergkamp. And Mourinho came into a squad that already had massive investment and added hundreds of millions towards that. (The fact that he is complaining about his squad being too thin is ridiculous).

                          Benitez came in with nothing. At the time of his arrival there were 2 players that were essential Gerrard and Owen (Carra has become essential under Rafa imo) and he lost Owen. There is talk that he has been given £65m; but that is to fund a squad of 22 players, not to advance what was already there.

                          The closest situation to Rafa is where Ferguson was when he first arrived at United, and it took him many years until he had a team good enough to compete. It just goes to show what an incredible job Rafa has done here.

                          From this point though, two things can happen:
                          1. No investment
                          If Rafa sticks around it will still take many years before the squad is ready to even compete for the title. In this age though, time is not available, even if you have won the European Cup, FA Cup and attained your highest league points total in 15 years; in your first 2 seasons. Unfortunately, without investment, I feel it will only be a matter of time before the scum overtake our league titles record.

                          2. Investment
                          With this Rafa will have the money to get the players he needs; and I have complete faith in his ability to turn us into a title winning side. It's impossible to say we will win immediately under him, but given the resources we will be in a position to compete.

                          Without investment, we better get used to the way we are feeling at the moment, because battling it out for a champions league spot is the best we can hope for.
                          This post lost credibility with the mention of Owen as being essential*












                          So injured players woudnt get lonely in the Sick Bay ???

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                            #14
                            Come on mate, he was - no matter what anybody thinks of him now.
                            Thanks very much for being ‘This Mornings’ Farmer’

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by ShaggyAlonso View Post
                              Come on mate, he was - no matter what anybody thinks of him now.

                              Shaggy, up to 3 years before he left, yes. But when Rafa came onboard absolutely no way

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