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    Putting Recent Events in Perspective

    With Tuesday's result, we have look at from a different perspective.

    We have to understand that Wenger first built his first team with quality players in their early to mid 20's when he arrived. this gave him time to invest in his academy. there was no pressure for the youth to come through straight away. Added to this was full support from the board.

    Toure, Eboue, fabregas, Sendaros, etc have been @ Arsenal for 5 years plus.

    It was only in the last 12 to 18 months that we just started to build our own academy players after Houllier's mess.


    Any views?
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    Originally posted by John_Gotti View Post
    With Tuesday's result, we have look at from a different perspective.

    We have to understand that Wenger first built his first team with quality players in their early to mid 20's when he arrived. this gave him time to invest in his academy. there was no pressure for the youth to come through straight away. Added to this was full support from the board.

    Toure, Eboue, fabregas, Sendaros, etc have been @ Arsenal for 5 years plus.

    It was only in the last 12 to 18 months that we just started to build our own academy players after Houllier's mess.


    Any views?

    Everyone keeps going on about how well Arsenal's 'kids' played the other night but i thought the 2 players that won them the game were Aliadiere and Baptista, they made the difference. Baptista with the 4 goals and Aliadiere with a goal and a few assists to boot.

    Fabregas, Walcott, Denilson etc were pretty quiet actually but yes they have some brilliant young talent coming through dere, no doubt about it.
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      #3
      Originally posted by John_Gotti View Post
      With Tuesday's result, we have look at from a different perspective.

      We have to understand that Wenger first built his first team with quality players in their early to mid 20's when he arrived. this gave him time to invest in his academy. there was no pressure for the youth to come through straight away. Added to this was full support from the board.

      Toure, Eboue, fabregas, Sendaros, etc have been @ Arsenal for 5 years plus.

      It was only in the last 12 to 18 months that we just started to build our own academy players after Houllier's mess.


      Any views?
      is this true i only tough for instance fabregas has only been there 3 years, have no idea about the rest but you sure they've been with them for that long?
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        I also thought that Fabregas was brought in from Barca about 3 years ago.

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          Originally posted by Diego View Post
          is this true i only tough for instance fabregas has only been there 3 years, have no idea about the rest but you sure they've been with them for that long?

          Farbregas was 3 year ago but the others were bought and farmed out to Belgium apart from Sendaros & Djourou
          The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he, who in the name of charity and goodwill shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers and you will know my name is The Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee. Pulp Fiction

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            #6
            Originally posted by Marky18 View Post
            Everyone keeps going on about how well Arsenal's 'kids' played the other night but i thought the 2 players that won them the game were Aliadiere and Baptista, they made the difference. Baptista with the 4 goals and Aliadiere with a goal and a few assists to boot.

            Fabregas, Walcott, Denilson etc were pretty quiet actually but yes they have some brilliant young talent coming through dere, no doubt about it.
            He has been there a year after Anelka left Arsenal
            The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he, who in the name of charity and goodwill shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers and you will know my name is The Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee. Pulp Fiction

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              #7
              Originally posted by Marky18 View Post
              Everyone keeps going on about how well Arsenal's 'kids' played the other night but i thought the 2 players that won them the game were Aliadiere and Baptista, they made the difference. Baptista with the 4 goals and Aliadiere with a goal and a few assists to boot.

              Fabregas, Walcott, Denilson etc were pretty quiet actually but yes they have some brilliant young talent coming through dere, no doubt about it.
              Spot on - we were undone by the 2 up front. We just lacked organisation at the back and defended with a high line with crap/slow players who offered no protection. The fact was the rest of their team was poor except for Toure who kept the defence organised. It was Toure who stopped them from conceding 6 goals. The Arsenal midfield was poor and I hope certain people now see that Fabregas is not better than Alonso and is nowhere near his level of ability yet.

              And Walcott, well I expected him to tear us apart given the line-up that was put out. But he was awful and tried to do way too much. I'm glad we didn't buy him (and not at the price Arsenal paid for him). Something tells me he may become a Pennant - a hot prospect who never really made it. There's too many parallels between the two of them
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                #8
                aliadiere is the second longest serving player at arsenal after ljungberg.

                senderos was bought in 2003 from sevette for 2.5m
                eboue signed in jan 2005 for 1.25
                toure signed in 2002 from KSK Beveren for 150,000
                fabregas signed in 2003 from barca on a free
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by John_Gotti View Post
                  With Tuesday's result, we have look at from a different perspective.

                  We have to understand that Wenger first built his first team with quality players in their early to mid 20's when he arrived.
                  Any views?

                  I think this is a fallacy

                  wengers 1st title winning side was in 1997-8

                  It consisted in the main of older players - the back 5 of seaman/dixon/winterburn/keown/adams being inherited from george graham and in 4 of the 5 cases bought for a large fee.

                  add to that petit/overmars/bergkamp - all top internationals, signed for big money (bigger fees in that day than rafa has EVER) lashed out. plus anelka and viera - two younger gems signed for lesser but significant fees and you should see that wengers 1st title side was a "bought" side.

                  the same is true of fergusons 1st title winning scum side of 1992-3: schmeicjel/irwin/parker/pallister/bruce/ince/keane/kanchelskis/hughes cantona - all being expensive signings - only giggs and lee sharpe of that side being home grown

                  ONLY from this position of strength and established quality could young players be integrated - under far less pressure than some youngsters at lfc have been - and future title winning sides gradually built.

                  Thats how things were for many years at LFC.

                  the only other recent title winning sides are blackburn and chavski are indisputeably "bought" sides.

                  conclusion: if you want to win the title - buy the best ESTABLISHED players - then sustain it by the gradual introduction of quality young players into an established winning side. the buyin has to come 1st.
                  Last edited by enema of the state; 11-01-07, 06:00 PM.
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