With all these youth players coming in........

[thesilverfoxlfc]

.........I think we could have an awesome team in a few years IF they all progress well, get their chances and settle well add that witht he experienced players we could have a great team

Hobbs,Leto,Anderson,Agger,Lindfield,El Zhar etc...........

[red g]

.........I think we could have an awesome team in a few years IF they all progress well, get their chances and settle well add that witht he experienced players we could have a great team

Hobbs,Leto,Anderson,Agger,Lindfield,El Zhar etc...........

But so will Arsenal, Probably chelsea as they are buying them all as well. Not sure what Scums youth policy or youngters are like

[bazza76]

But so will Arsenal, Probably chelsea as they are buying them all as well. Not sure what Scums youth policy or youngters are like

The scum still attract alot of decent English tallent though.

[thesilverfoxlfc]

Then the way forward is Youth as money seems to be very few and far between.

With the likes of us,Arseanl and Chelski investing in youth

[enema of the state]

.........I think we could have an awesome team in a few years IF they all progress well, get their chances and settle well add that witht he experienced players we could have a great team

Hobbs,Leto,Anderson,Agger,Lindfield,El Zhar etc...........

heard it all before mate..pongolle, le taellec it makes me yawn.

history over the last 20 years proves it. you establish supremacy by BUYING experienced quality players. ONLY then can you maintain it by the integration of young players.

For example:wengers 1st title winning side was in 1997-8

It consisted in the main of older players - the back 5 of seaman/dixon/winterburn/keown/adams being inherited from george graham and in 4 of the 5 cases bought for a large fee.

add to that petit/overmars/bergkamp - all top internationals, signed for big money (bigger fees in that day than rafa has EVER) lashed out. plus anelka and viera - two younger gems signed for lesser but significant fees and you should see that wengers 1st title side was a "bought" side.

the same is true of fergusons 1st title winning scum side of 1992-3: schmeicjel/irwin/parker/pallister/bruce/ince/keane/kanchelskis/hughes cantona - all being expensive signings - only giggs and lee sharpe of that side being home grown

ONLY from this position of strength and established quality could young players be integrated - under far less pressure than some youngsters at lfc have been - and future title winning sides gradually built.

Thats how things were for many years at LFC.

the only other recent title winning sides are blackburn and chavski are indisputeably "bought" sides.

conclusion: if you want to win the title - buy the best ESTABLISHED players -then sustain it by the gradual introduction of quality young players into an established winning side. the buying has to come 1st.

QED

[thesilverfoxlfc]

heard it all before mate..pongolle, le taellec it makes me yawn.

history over the last 20 years proves it. you establish supremacy by BUYING experienced quality players. ONLY then can you maintain it by the integration of young players.

For example:wengers 1st title winning side was in 1997-8

It consisted in the main of older players - the back 5 of seaman/dixon/winterburn/keown/adams being inherited from george graham and in 4 of the 5 cases bought for a large fee.

add to that petit/overmars/bergkamp - all top internationals, signed for big money (bigger fees in that day than rafa has EVER) lashed out. plus anelka and viera - two younger gems signed for lesser but significant fees and you should see that wengers 1st title side was a "bought" side.

the same is true of fergusons 1st title winning scum side of 1992-3: schmeicjel/irwin/parker/pallister/bruce/ince/keane/kanchelskis/hughes cantona - all being expensive signings - only giggs and lee sharpe of that side being home grown

ONLY from this position of strength and established quality could young players be integrated - under far less pressure than some youngsters at lfc have been - and future title winning sides gradually built.

Thats how things were for many years at LFC.

the only other recent title winning sides are blackburn and chavski are indisputeably "bought" sides.

conclusion: if you want to win the title - buy the best ESTABLISHED players -then sustain it by the gradual introduction of quality young players into an established winning side. the buying has to come 1st.

QED

OK

[desertscouser]

heard it all before mate..pongolle, le taellec it makes me yawn.

history over the last 20 years proves it. you establish supremacy by BUYING experienced quality players. ONLY then can you maintain it by the integration of young players.

For example:wengers 1st title winning side was in 1997-8

It consisted in the main of older players - the back 5 of seaman/dixon/winterburn/keown/adams being inherited from george graham and in 4 of the 5 cases bought for a large fee.

add to that petit/overmars/bergkamp - all top internationals, signed for big money (bigger fees in that day than rafa has EVER) lashed out. plus anelka and viera - two younger gems signed for lesser but significant fees and you should see that wengers 1st title side was a "bought" side.

the same is true of fergusons 1st title winning scum side of 1992-3: schmeicjel/irwin/parker/pallister/bruce/ince/keane/kanchelskis/hughes cantona - all being expensive signings - only giggs and lee sharpe of that side being home grown

ONLY from this position of strength and established quality could young players be integrated - under far less pressure than some youngsters at lfc have been - and future title winning sides gradually built.

Thats how things were for many years at LFC.

the only other recent title winning sides are blackburn and chavski are indisputeably "bought" sides.

conclusion: if you want to win the title - buy the best ESTABLISHED players -then sustain it by the gradual introduction of quality young players into an established winning side. the buying has to come 1st.

QED

I agree Enema.

Le gems, Diarra, Medjani, Hobbs, Barragan etc etc how many of these young players made it at LFC.

I just can't get excited about signing young players with potential anymore. It's always such an anti climax

[Rich]

It's all a gamble, hoopefully we'll have done well if one of Paletta, Insua, or Leto makes it for us.

[tomasjj]

I agree Enema.

Le gems, Diarra, Medjani, Hobbs, Barragan etc etc how many of these young players made it at LFC.

I just can't get excited about signing young players with potential anymore. It's always such an anti climax

How many were given a proper run in the team...?
Again, ref to Arsenal and, partially, the Mancs.

[desertscouser]

How many were given a proper run in the team...?
Again, ref to Arsenal and, partially, the Mancs.

True.

Maybe because they weren't deemed good enough in the first place?

[lfc4ever]

True.

Maybe because they weren't deemed good enough in the first place?

Exactly, you only get a "run in the first team" if you are good enough and want it enough, it isn't a "gimme"

[red g]

How many were given a proper run in the team...?
Again, ref to Arsenal and, partially, the Mancs.

but then how many of gome on to prove themselves? think diarra is doing pretty well. But by in large there have not been to many mistakes from any of the top sides in letting there talent go.

Liam Brady was on the radio the other day saying that David Bentley is still the best player he has ever trained at youth level and he is doing well but not brilliant. I think a lot depends on size at youth level.

Thinking back our great youth products owen,fowler, gerrard etc have been destined for greatness since 11.

Cant remember the lads name, but a friend of mine was at a youth tournament 3 months ago(u11) and there was this young lad there who was so good that he was talking on the whole team, cutting back doing it again and waiting for teammates to pass to so they could score. apparently he was a phenomen, everyone was talking about this lada nd we had just signed him up.

[enema of the state]

It's all a gamble, hoopefully we'll have done well if one of Paletta, Insua, or Leto makes it for us.

I think thats a reasonable strike rate for that kind of signing

I think a strike rate of 1 in 10-15 from the academy side would be reasonable

once youve got a core of 7-8 reliable players and a world class, winning side - your chance of bringing this level of player through goes up.

[Red_Polo]

You only need to look at how everyone thought the youngsters at Leeds were going to see them dominate. OK, Leeds financial problems ****ed things up, but just how well are all those kids doing now? The best of them is Ferdinand and he was bought for £18m which is significantly more than we've ever spent on a single player. Having a strong youth development policy is definitely important and can save you having to buy to fill squad positions and occasionally produce real gems. But you cannot afford to rely on it. Almost all these 'next Maradonas' etc turn out to be fairly ****.

[redlancer]

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Thinking back our great youth products owen,fowler, gerrard etc have been destined for greatness since 11.

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all the above the managers had to hold back from playing them too early incase they burned out, but all started 17 year old mark.
Player good enuff is old enuff

so IMO a potential 20 year old that's been here 2 years and never played PL footy, bar say goalie or odd defender is a gamble that won't pay off.

10 players total cost 5 million is to hope that one turns out to be a 6M player or the next Henry.