FAO DIC Group: please sign this player first

[einar]

One is playing against Wycombe now.

How many players have ever played in England who compare to Ronaldinho though? We have some of the worlds richest cubs in England yet they never choose to come here. Also, whenever those type of players have come up against English teams, more often than not, they havent done **** all.

Before you come back with 'oh he played great against Chelsea' So what? So did Pennant. Also, Chelsea isnt what you'd call a typical Premiership team is it?

Proves my point really. Sheva needs more time or maybe a different team.
And he is maybe the only player to have come to the EPL with a rep like Ronaldinho. Henry perhaps. He was very young when he arrived.

So there is nothing really that says Ronaldinho would not make it in the EPL

[Red Chilli]

Personally, I think if you're good enough you can make it anywhere and at this moment in time, Ronaldinho IS good enough. I think Sheva is a bit too old to adapt to the prem now, he had his best years in Milan.

[The Glove]

How long has he been here?

And if he hadnt have started to come good after a season and a half, then he'd be gone.

I agree players need time but you only need to look in the press or, dare I say, look on the interweb to see players dont get time.

[einar]

Personally, I think if you're good enough you can make it anywhere and at this moment in time, Ronaldinho IS good enough. I think Sheva is a bit too old to adapt to the prem now, he had his best years in Milan.

He was also playing in a much more creative side then he is now, and in a different role.

[Craig_H]

How long has he been here?

And if he hadnt have started to come good after a season and a half, then he'd be gone.

I agree players need time but you only need to look in the press or, dare I say, look on the interweb to see players dont get time.

It's drogba's 2nd season isnt it?

I hear what you're saying re the press and forums etc, but they dont ultimately make the decisions as to whether to give players time.

It's not accurate to say categorically that players just DONT get time, plenty do, especially those who cost a fair bit and who either HAVE to succeed due to the price, or at least do reasonably well to ensure some sell-on value.

Our very own Peter Crouch is another example (albeit not a foreign import).

[The Glove]

Proves my point really. Sheva needs more time or maybe a different team.
And he is maybe the only player to have come to the EPL with a rep like Ronaldinho. Henry perhaps. He was very young when he arrived.

So there is nothing really that says Ronaldinho would not make it in the EPL

Eh?

Let me get this straight, you think that because someone like Ronaldinho hasnt played in the Premier League that means he will be an automatic success?

You dont think that since its not happened before, there is just as much chance he wouldnt be the world beater he is now? Not in the slightest?

[einar]

It's drogba's 2nd season isnt it?

I hear what you're saying re the press and forums etc, but they dont ultimately make the decisions as to whether to give players time.

It's not accurate to say categorically that players just DONT get time, plenty do, especially those who cost a fair bit and who either HAVE to succeed due to the price, or at least do reasonably well to ensure some sell-on value.

Our very own Peter Crouch is another example (albeit not a foreign import).

For those who are good enough, a year and a half is IMO enough to adjust.

[einar]

Eh?

Let me get this straight, you think that because someone like Ronaldinho hasnt played in the Premier League that means he will be an automatic success?

You dont think that since its not happened before, there is just as much chance he wouldnt be the world beater he is now? Not in the slightest?

I did not say "that means he will be an automatic success" now did I?

[The Glove]

It's drogba's 2nd season isnt it?

I hear what you're saying re the press and forums etc, but they dont ultimately make the decisions as to whether to give players time.

It's not accurate to say categorically that players just DONT get time, plenty do, especially those who cost a fair bit and who either HAVE to succeed due to the price, or at least do reasonably well to ensure some sell-on value.

Our very own Peter Crouch is another example (albeit not a foreign import).

Is it his second season? I wasnt sure if it was his 3rd or not. Either way, if he was just as **** this season as last, he'd be gone in the summer. Players tend to get 2 seasons to prove them selves and if nothing comes of it by then, they ship out.

[The Glove]

I did not say "that means he will be an automatic success" now did I?

Oh ok, if you prefer to focus on words rather than meaning then fair enough.


Take out the automatic.


Still, you dont think that since its not happened before, there is just as much chance he wouldnt be the world beater he is now? Not in the slightest?

[einar]

Oh ok, if you prefer to focus on words rather than meaning then fair enough.


Take out the automatic.


Still, you dont think that since its not happened before, there is just as much chance he wouldnt be the world beater he is now? Not in the slightest?

English is not my first language so I´m not sure about this sentence but I´ll try.
Yes I think there is a slight chance that he will not make it.

I would give him an 85% chance of making it.

[The Glove]

Ok fair enough, I wouldnt say his chance was so high. Him, or any player of his calibre, coming to any Premier League club would be a first and there will be a lot of players and managers who will not want to be made to look stupid by him so he will be targeted and Im not so sure he could cope in our League.

[einar]

Ok fair enough, I wouldnt say his chance was so high. Him, or any player of his calibre, coming to any Premier League club would be a first and there will be a lot of players and managers who will not want to be made to look stupid by him so he will be targeted and Im not so sure he could cope in our League.

[Craig_H]

Is it his second season? I wasnt sure if it was his 3rd or not. Either way, if he was just as **** this season as last, he'd be gone in the summer. Players tend to get 2 seasons to prove them selves and if nothing comes of it by then, they ship out.

My mistake, it's his 3rd season.

In his first two 'flop' seasons, he got 29 goals though. Not that bad considering he was no 'world class star' when he joined.

Ronaldinho, however, is one. I doubt it'd take him a year and a half.

[shelly]

The problem with people like Ballack and Sheva is the way chelski plays.
The entire AC Milan attack was built around Kaka and Sheva. Ancelotti's bloody x'mas tree formation. Miss one of the pieces and look at how Milan are struggling. Then take a look at how Sheva is struggling. Plus a lot of Sheva's problems is in his head. Too many - his ego has taken a big hit, LOL (henpecked puppy!) and this man has a very very large ego.

Would the same thing happen to Ronaldinho? Yes and no. He would be most useful with a team built around him, allowing him freedom to roam but he's more adaptable IMO. He's played for the most part different styles before.

BUT having said that he would need time to get used to the prem. He would be a luxury player until he adapts. And the knives from the press etc. would be out for him from day one. If he's already not right in the head, ie he is tired of being blamed for things going wrong at Barca, then would he 1) throw his towel in and sulk? or 2) fight?. Garcia and Alonso has shown #2, Ballack and Sheva are looking like #1 right now. He wants out at Barca, before barca he was also known as a bit of a troublemaker at PSG wasn't he? So can he knuckle down to Rafa's discipline?