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    Alonso

    I am prepared to be slated for this.

    However - I am beginning to have doubts about our Xabi.

    there is no doubting his technical ability, in particular his passing which is as good if not better than any previous player at the clib including Mr. Molby.

    However I do feel as a midfielder his is too "one paced" in comparison with the great Liqverpool midfielders of the past.

    Souness, McDermott, Whelan, McMahon were all more mobile - dare I say it box to box midfielders. They would grab a game by the scruff of the neck and drive Liverpool forward.

    I was watching an old Liverpool / Utd game on ESPN classic a couple of weeks ago it prompted this thinking. The game was played at such a pace (albeit highlights), that it made a mockery of the old excuse "the game is much faster now"....

    Not on the evidence before my eyes - the ball was pinged from defense to attack with such speed. As someone whose love affair with Liverpool started as a ten year old around 83/84 and was cemented with the Dalglish era, I asked myself have I become through Souness, Evans and Houllier accustomed to a less dynamic approach. Interpassing is one thing but passing the ball across the front of the defence repeatly is something we have become accustomed to. Jamie Redknappitis is what it is called.

    What I would like to see is the team play the ball earlier to the wings, through midfield and in effect keep the opposition on the back foot.

    Going back to my original question, I do not know if this is what Xabi's game is about (I know he can play the early ball, appreciate his role in Speedy's gal last night etc..) but overall is he a dynamic midfielder in the "classic" liverpool way?

    ... I am not sure he is.

    A modern comparisson of what i am trying to descibe would have been Keane - who Fergie can tell us is difficult to find these days. Gerrard possibly could be by adding a better defensive dimension to his game, however i thnk Momo ultimately will prove to be the man at LFC.

    #2
    I think we can accomodate one player who is less dynamic. I think Xabi is great and as he gets more used to the holding role will become more important to us. No one criticised Makelelle for not playing like Keane.
    "The man who never alters his opinion is like standing water, and breeds reptiles of the mind."
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      #3
      I still dont think he dictates the team the way he should.

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        #4
        I read the first line and stopped.

        Nonsense.

        Xabi is one of the top midfielders in the world.

        END.OF.STORY.

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          #5
          He's a different option to either Stevie or Momo.

          Whereas Stevie can pick the game up by the scruff of the neck in the same way as Keane, or Momo can *shudders at making the comparison* be a Viera-esque player, Xabi has the quality to dictate the pace of the game through his unique vision - his eye for a pass, his calmness on the ball (not quite Didi standards yet) and his pure unfettered quality.

          I am a bit worried about him though - I distinctly saw him miss two 50 yard passes last night.
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            #6
            He didn't last night for sure. I think last season though he grew into doing that. The thing is it's one of those positions where you can often do the job exceptionally well and not be recognised for it.
            "The man who never alters his opinion is like standing water, and breeds reptiles of the mind."
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              #7
              One average game and people are questioning his worth?
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                #8
                This may sound ironic coming frome me of all poeple, but sometimes people are just too damn picky and overcritical.

                Picking out flaws in Alonso's games is nonsensical. He's one of the best midfielders in Europe, and would more than likely walk into the starting eleven of every other side in the Premier League.

                He's the best passer of the ball in the country, and going with stats from last season, the best tackler too by all accounts. He's absolutely instrumental to the way we play as a team.

                Maybe his diminishing imfluence or negative factors are more down to the way our manager is failing to mould our midfield, than anything Chabby, Momo or Stevie are doing wrong.

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                  #9
                  Alonso wasn't up to speed last night and as such we didn't dictate the game in the way we have become accustomed, He still found Pennant with consummate ease and set up speedy for the winner.

                  Last season Xabi started to become more and more of a box to box midfielder as the season wore on. He is improving all the time with regard to defence and controlling the tempo of a game. What's really encouraging though is that he's probably 2-3 seasons away from his prime.
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                    #10
                    I like Tomkin's theory. You pick a player for what he can do, not for what he can't do.

                    Alonso's intelligence and reading of the game is top draw. He doesn't need the power and speed. We get that from Gerrard.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Ryan
                      This may sound ironic coming frome me of all poeple, but sometimes people are just too damn picky and overcritical.

                      Picking out flaws in Alonso's games is nonsensical. He's one of the best midfielders in Europe, and would more than likely walk into the starting eleven of every other side in the Premier League.

                      He's the best passer of the ball in the country, and going with stats from last season, the best tackler too by all accounts. He's absolutely instrumental to the way we play as a team.

                      Maybe his diminishing imfluence or negative factors are more down to the way our manager is failing to mould our midfield, than anything Chabby, Momo or Stevie are doing wrong.
                      Agree 100% with that statement Ryan.

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                        #12
                        His frustration showed last night when he was going to **** the Haifa player ner the half way line.

                        Not his best performance last night but no reason to even think of panicking or slating him.
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Nic-Flush83
                          Agree 100% with that statement Ryan.
                          I actually thought my final paragraph was more poignant, and hit the nail on the head firmly. But still, glad to see you're loving my work Nikeser.

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                            #14
                            3 into 2 won't go for me. Alonso has immense quality but possibly he's a luxury at times. Gerrard played anywhere but in centre midfield is a waste. Momo runs like a dog on heat, he's fast becoming the engine room. Not sure what the answer is, but playing all 3 & leaving one upfront will lead only to frustration week in week out. Even if the midfield get forward to support they'll never be as clinical as a bonified striker. Its a royal dilema is that.
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                              #15
                              I'm sorry mate...you were right to expect to get slated for this post - the fact that Xabi's not a box-to-box midfielder in no way detracts from his worth to our team. Ask yourself who the best midfielder in the world in the last 20 years was - a guy by the name of Zinedine Zidane. I wouldn't class him as box-to-box either, would you? Xabi has a distinct job to do in our team, and does with aplomb. Last night's performance was a blip, nothing more.
                              Last edited by Maestro; 10-08-06, 02:25 PM.
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