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    #1

    Paisley -v- Ferguson

    While the debate goes on about whether 'Sir' Bob should be Sir Bob, here is a comparison between the two managers up to the date Ferguson was knighted.

    Ferguson, as much as I detest him, I believe is one of the greatest managers who has ever been.

    I think Paisley and Shanks are better.

    Shanks for taking us from nowhere and turning us into a great team.

    Paisley for taking that great team and turning them into one of the greatest teams of all time.

    Sir Bob - Liverpool 1974-1983

    · League Championships (6): 1975-76, 1976-77, 1978-79, 1979-80, 1981-82, 1982-83.
    · European Cups (3): 1977, 1978, 1981.
    · League Cups (3): 1980-81, 1981-82, 1982-83.
    · UEFA Cup (1): 1975-76.
    · European Super Cup (1): 1976-77.
    · Charity Shields (5): 1974, 1976, 1977 (shared), 1979, 1980, 1982.

    9 seasons – 19 trophies

    Sir Alex
    Aberdeen 1978–1986
    · Scottish League: (3) 1979/80, 1983/84, 1984/85
    · Scottish Cup: (4) 1981/82, 1982/83, 1983/84, 1985/86
    · Scottish League Cup: (1) 1985/86
    · European Cup Winners Cup: (1) 1982/83
    · UEFA Supercup: (1) 1983/84

    8 seasons – 10 trophies

    Manchester United 1986-1999
    · FA Premiership: (5) 1992/93, 1993/94, 1995/96, 1996/97, 1998/99
    · FA Cup: (4) 1989/90, 1993/94, 1995/96, 1998/9
    · League Cup: (1) 1991/92
    · FA Charity/Community Shield: (4) 1993, 1994, 1996, 1997
    · UEFA Champions League: (1) 1998/1999
    · European Cup Winners Cup: (1) 1990/91
    · Intercontinental Cup: (1) 1999 (aka Toyota Cup since 1980)
    · UEFA Supercup: (1) 1991/92

    13 seasons – 18 trophies
    "The definition of insanity is not running into the same wall again and again; it's expecting a different result every time you do it."
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    #2
    I think we on here may be more than a little biased. We're all going to think Paisley's record is superior, except for Speedy who of course is biased in the other direction.

    Personally I'd only count proper trophies. Charity Shields and Supercups are just TV (un)spectaculars (no matter what the great Rafa may say).

    So it's:

    Paisley - 13 in 9 = 1.44 per season
    Ferguson at Aberdeen - 9 in 8 = 1.13 per season
    Ferguson at Man Utd - 12 in 13 = 0.92 per season

    Not that it really resolves the argument in any significant way.
    .
    Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.



    May the Lord bless this post.

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      #3
      Originally posted by friedk View Post
      While the debate goes on about whether 'Sir' Bob should be Sir Bob, here is a comparison between the two managers up to the date Ferguson was knighted.

      Ferguson, as much as I detest him, I believe is one of the greatest managers who has ever been.

      I think Paisley and Shanks are better.

      Shanks for taking us from nowhere and turning us into a great team.

      Paisley for taking that great team and turning them into one of the greatest teams of all time.

      Sir Bob - Liverpool 1974-1983

      · League Championships (6): 1975-76, 1976-77, 1978-79, 1979-80, 1981-82, 1982-83.
      · European Cups (3): 1977, 1978, 1981.· League Cups (3): 1980-81, 1981-82, 1982-83.
      · UEFA Cup (1): 1975-76.
      · European Super Cup (1): 1976-77.
      · Charity Shields (5): 1974, 1976, 1977 (shared), 1979, 1980, 1982.

      9 seasons – 19 trophies

      Sir Alex
      Aberdeen 1978–1986
      · Scottish League: (3) 1979/80, 1983/84, 1984/85
      · Scottish Cup: (4) 1981/82, 1982/83, 1983/84, 1985/86
      · Scottish League Cup: (1) 1985/86
      · European Cup Winners Cup: (1) 1982/83
      · UEFA Supercup: (1) 1983/84

      8 seasons – 10 trophies

      Manchester United 1986-1999
      · FA Premiership: (5) 1992/93, 1993/94, 1995/96, 1996/97, 1998/99
      · FA Cup: (4) 1989/90, 1993/94, 1995/96, 1998/9
      · League Cup: (1) 1991/92
      · FA Charity/Community Shield: (4) 1993, 1994, 1996, 1997
      · UEFA Champions League: (1) 1998/1999 · European Cup Winners Cup: (1) 1990/91
      · Intercontinental Cup: (1) 1999 (aka Toyota Cup since 1980)
      · UEFA Supercup: (1) 1991/92

      13 seasons – 18 trophies

      This is where it all falls down for Sour Alex. He's been at OT for 20 years and has qualified practically every year but won it only once.

      "Sir" Bob won it when you had to be league winners or holders
      "With Ron Yeats in defence, we could play Arthur Askey in goal."

      Bill Shankly

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        #4
        Originally posted by friedk View Post
        While the debate goes on about whether 'Sir' Bob should be Sir Bob, here is a comparison between the two managers up to the date Ferguson was knighted.

        Ferguson, as much as I detest him, I believe is one of the greatest managers who has ever been.

        I think Paisley and Shanks are better.

        Shanks for taking us from nowhere and turning us into a great team.

        Paisley for taking that great team and turning them into one of the greatest teams of all time.

        Sir Bob - Liverpool 1974-1983

        · League Championships (6): 1975-76, 1976-77, 1978-79, 1979-80, 1981-82, 1982-83.
        · European Cups (3): 1977, 1978, 1981.
        · League Cups (3): 1980-81, 1981-82, 1982-83.
        · UEFA Cup (1): 1975-76.
        · European Super Cup (1): 1976-77.
        · Charity Shields (5): 1974, 1976, 1977 (shared), 1979, 1980, 1982.

        9 seasons – 19 trophies

        Sir Alex
        Aberdeen 1978–1986
        · Scottish League: (3) 1979/80, 1983/84, 1984/85
        · Scottish Cup: (4) 1981/82, 1982/83, 1983/84, 1985/86
        · Scottish League Cup: (1) 1985/86
        · European Cup Winners Cup: (1) 1982/83
        · UEFA Supercup: (1) 1983/84

        8 seasons – 10 trophies

        Manchester United 1986-1999
        · FA Premiership: (5) 1992/93, 1993/94, 1995/96, 1996/97, 1998/99
        · FA Cup: (4) 1989/90, 1993/94, 1995/96, 1998/9
        · League Cup: (1) 1991/92
        · FA Charity/Community Shield: (4) 1993, 1994, 1996, 1997
        · UEFA Champions League: (1) 1998/1999
        · European Cup Winners Cup: (1) 1990/91
        · Intercontinental Cup: (1) 1999 (aka Toyota Cup since 1980)
        · UEFA Supercup: (1) 1991/92

        13 seasons – 18 trophies
        I´m fairly certain you can add about three league wins there for Ferguson, giving him 8...am I wrong?
        * The above is posted in my opinion. Feel free to disagree.

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          #5
          Originally posted by The_weatherman View Post
          I´m fairly certain you can add about three league wins there for Ferguson, giving him 8...am I wrong?
          It's based on trophies won up until the time that sour nose git got his knighthood

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            #6
            Haven't you missed off the last 8 seasons?
            In the life, of a man, there are times and there are seasons.
            There's a time to surf and there's a time to wax your board.

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              #7
              Originally posted by PoolG View Post
              It's based on trophies won up until the time that sour nose git got his knighthood
              In the life, of a man, there are times and there are seasons.
              There's a time to surf and there's a time to wax your board.

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                #8
                Clough.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Speedy View Post
                  Clough.
                  :whatever:

                  Yawn. Stretch. Sigh.
                  Like blood on iron

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Speedy View Post
                    Clough.
                    Speedy
                    "The definition of insanity is not running into the same wall again and again; it's expecting a different result every time you do it."

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Speedy View Post
                      Clough.
                      Agree.

                      I'd have him and Sir Bob A)1 and A)2.

                      What he did with Forest is similar to what Shanks did with us back in the 60's, only he retired and Bob finished the job off.

                      What counts against Demento is his solitary European Cup win. Despite dominating the 90's domestically, and being in charge for 20 years he only has one. And to be honest I reckon the only reason he's chosen to stay on is to try and get another one. I think it gets to him that he's gotten no closer to our haul. Forever in our shadow, and he knows it.
                      I hate Polanski

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by CharlieMansonsSquint View Post
                        Agree.

                        I'd have him and Sir Bob A)1 and A)2.

                        What he did with Forest is similar to what Shanks did with us back in the 60's, only he retired and Bob finished the job off.

                        What counts against Demento is his solitary European Cup win. Despite dominating the 90's domestically, and being in charge for 20 years he only has one. And to be honest I reckon the only reason he's chosen to stay on is to try and get another one. I think it gets to him that he's gotten no closer to our haul. Forever in our shadow, and he knows it.
                        League > Europe

                        I dont enjoy much banter with AC Milan fans sorry. Scum and bitter fans yes, European fans, no.

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