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    Reds’ plan to match United

    Mar 15 2007

    by David Prentice, Liverpool Echo



    GEORGE GILLETT and Tom Hicks told city planners they want extra time to ensure Liverpool’s new stadium eventually matches the capacity of Old Trafford.

    The American duo want to modify existing plans to ensure a fresh planning application won’t be required and any delay in building work takes weeks, not months or years.

    Gillett and Hicks met planners when they visited Merseyside last week, when their ambition to extend the capacity from 61,000 to 76,000 - the same as at Manchester United - was underlined.

    They’re now working as quickly as possible to make the revision in a way that works for the city planners.

    One possibility is proceeding with the plan to build a 61,000 capacity, but with a provision to extend at a later date.

    More details on their proposals are anticipated when the duo return to Liverpool on March 31.

    In the meantime, building of the new Anfield Stadium has been temporarily suspended.

    “They are conducting a very swift review of what is possible,” explained Reds chief executive Rick Parry.

    “Yes work has been halted very temporarily, but their commitment to the new stadium is total. There’s no question of that.

    “But if there is going to be a review of what might be possible, now is the time.

    “If there are going to be any changes, however, it will be a case of scaling up, not downscaling.

    “They are experts in this field and I’m constantly hearing phrases like ‘best in the world’.

    “They just want to understand exactly what the options are for the future. If there are ways of constructing the stadium which would allow for future expansion, they want to investigate it.

    “It makes perfect common sense.

    “They don’t want to steam ahead into something which might prevent expansion in the future.

    “Construction deadlines won’t change, however. Any changes will be discussed in the next few weeks and actual building-work will commence on the planned date.”

    Among ideas being considered by the Americans are “bunker suites” – executive boxes built underground, with lifts to and from the seats in the stand above.

    The idea was developed by President George W Bush when he was joint owner of the Texas Rangers baseball team, which Hicks now owns, to offer a place for his father, who was President at the time, to watch games securely.

    More are planned for the ground at Arlington and at the 100,000-capacity stadium being built nearby for the Dallas Cowboys, which is due to open in 2009.

    Last month Hicks explained: “We met with HKS (US architects) and we said, ‘Here are the constraints, take a fresh look and see if there are other ideas we can incorporate on the inside that would make it more fan-friendly, produce more revenues and give more customer satisfaction’, they areworking on ideas.

    “What we have to do is strike a balance between new ideas and Yankee ingenuity at the same time as protecting the traditions of Liverpool and Anfield. We’re going to do that very quickly.

    “We kind of stumbled into the concept of the bunker suites. But it’s essentially an underground living room where you can go down and have fine food, fine wine, big-screen TVs, and then go up and watch the pitch live.”


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    Among ideas being considered by the Americans are “bunker suites” – executive boxes built underground, with lifts to and from the seats in the stand above.

    The idea was developed by President George W Bush when he was joint owner of the Texas Rangers baseball team, which Hicks now owns, to offer a place for his father, who was President at the time, to watch games securely.

    More are planned for the ground at Arlington and at the 100,000-capacity stadium being built nearby for the Dallas Cowboys, which is due to open in 2009.

    Last month Hicks explained: “We met with HKS (US architects) and we said, ‘Here are the constraints, take a fresh look and see if there are other ideas we can incorporate on the inside that would make it more fan-friendly, produce more revenues and give more customer satisfaction’, they areworking on ideas.

    “What we have to do is strike a balance between new ideas and Yankee ingenuity at the same time as protecting the traditions of Liverpool and Anfield. We’re going to do that very quickly.

    “We kind of stumbled into the concept of the bunker suites. But it’s essentially an underground living room where you can go down and have fine food, fine wine, big-screen TVs, and then go up and watch the pitch live.”


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    Hicks wants to replicate the way he has used sports stadia to regenerate run-down areas of Dallas.

    He has done it with the American Airlines Centre, a £210 million arena which is home to the Dallas Stars and Mavericks. He also has plans to redevelop 1.2 million square feet of land next to the Arlington stadium into a leisure, retail and residential complex in a £260 million project, which will open in 2009.

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    #2
    use the orginal thread
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      #3
      I was going to but that has nearly 500 replies and 50 pages (well depending on how many post you have per page) So i though i would start a new thread so people don't have to read the whole thread just to get to this story (which is quite important!)

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        #4
        Originally posted by The_Milkman View Post
        I was going to but that has nearly 500 replies and 50 pages (well depending on how many post you have per page) So i though i would start a new thread so people don't have to read the whole thread just to get to this story (which is quite important!)
        For once I agree with you.
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          #5
          i like the idea of bunker suites, but dont see how they will increase the capacity. unless people take turns in sitting watching the game live and using the bunker suites. its a good idea though, but its not as far as i can see, going to change the capacity all that much.
          Bill shankly to Tommy Smith after he'd turned up for training with a bandaged knee:
          'Take that poof bandage off, and what do you mean YOUR knee, it's LIVERPOOL'S knee !'

          "Sorry, boss, I should have kept my legs together," said Lawrence. "No, Tommy, your mother should have kept her legs together!," replied Shankly.

          * After Tommy Lawrence had let in a fluke goal between his legs

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            #6
            sounds positive, but Parry has to put that spin on it doesnt he?
            I'm glad they are looking into it now rather than build the damn thing and then look at the options. Whats a few weeks gonna do? we've been waiting what 5/6yrs!


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              #7
              I am sure most fans would be prepared to wait longer if it ultimately meant we will have the best stadium in teh country. Lets just hope they make sure we have a team to match!
              "Its not about the long ball or the short ball, its about the right ball." Bob Paisley

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                #8
                I don't like all this talk of matching Utd because it looks silly if nothing else, the press seem to be saying 76,000 is the figure we're looking at - the same capacity as Utd and that looks childish - 'anything you can do we can do too' sort of thing. You just know that within a few months Utd will state their intention to increase to 90,000 - what will we do then? We should come up with our own figure of say 80,000 and build in such a way that it can be expanded if we need to at a future date.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by bazza76 View Post
                  i like the idea of bunker suites, but dont see how they will increase the capacity. unless people take turns in sitting watching the game live and using the bunker suites. its a good idea though, but its not as far as i can see, going to change the capacity all that much.
                  It would increase capacity because we wouldnt need as much room for exec boxes in the stands. The ground would just be seating (maybe an extra 300 seats where a box would have been...I'm making that up like).

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by theriotact View Post
                    It would increase capacity because we wouldnt need as much room for exec boxes in the stands. The ground would just be seating (maybe an extra 300 seats where a box would have been...I'm making that up like).
                    thats a fair point mate
                    Bill shankly to Tommy Smith after he'd turned up for training with a bandaged knee:
                    'Take that poof bandage off, and what do you mean YOUR knee, it's LIVERPOOL'S knee !'

                    "Sorry, boss, I should have kept my legs together," said Lawrence. "No, Tommy, your mother should have kept her legs together!," replied Shankly.

                    * After Tommy Lawrence had let in a fluke goal between his legs

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                      #11
                      They just want to understand exactly what the options are for the future. If there are ways of constructing the stadium which would allow for future expansion, they want to investigate it.

                      “It makes perfect common sense.

                      “They don’t want to steam ahead into something which might prevent expansion in the future."

                      Listen to PArry here, he is the one who was going to go a head with the plans without expansion....

                      Now he is talking a different game.
                      --== Because the gang and the government is no different ==--

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                        #12
                        As romantic as it would be to stay in Anfield and as much as the area desperately needs regeneration it's obvious that the majority of local residents don't seem to want a new, bigger stadium on their doorsteps. So why not take this opportunity to start again. As somebody said the other day, let's literally go back to the drawing board and reconsider all the other options such as Speke (my preferred choice), Aintree or Kirkby

                        HKS (or RyderHKS as the UK Division is called) are replacing AFL as the architects as I predicted last weekend. Give them a blank piece of paper and tell them to "go build a world class stadium" in an area that wants it, has the roads and the transport links and where there will be less opposition from blue-nosed councillors. Who cares if we don't have the stadium for a few more years? For once, let's think like a big club and just ****ing do it properly...

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                          Anfield stadium delay fears

                          Mar 15 2007

                          By Nick Coligan, Liverpool Echo



                          LIVERPOOL FC’s new stadium could be hit by delays if the club bids to dramatically increase capacity.

                          New American owners Gillett and Hicks met planners last weeek and underlined their ambition to increase capacity of the new ground to 76,000.

                          Liverpool FC Chief Executive Rick Parry today insisted construction deadlines would not change.

                          News of massively improved plans will delight Reds fans.

                          But any proposal to significantly increase seating would mean the club had to submit a fresh application.

                          That would go before Liverpool planners - and could ultimately be “called in” by the government for scrutiny before any decision is made.

                          A delay could hit the wider regeneration of Anfield, which is tied in with the stadium project. Euro cash to fund the restoration of Stanley Park and improve the community around the new ground must be spent by the end of next year at the latest.

                          A spokesman for Liverpool council said: “If there was an increase in [stadium] numbers, it would require the submission of a new planning application.”

                          Council leader Warren Bradley said: “It is early days yet. We met Liverpool last week and they did not say they wanted to change the scheme dramatically.

                          “But if that is what LFC as a commercial business wants to do, the council has to facilitate it.

                          “One of our greatest concerns is the people of Anfield and Breckfield. The cash we have drawn down for the project should be spent and not lost, and I look forward to a meeting with the new owners to discuss the matter further.”

                          Council chief executive Colin Hilton said: “I would re-emphasise the need to meet with the club’s new owners again and talk through the stadium issues.

                          “Irrespective of any new capacity, the development is something we wanted to discuss in terms of transport infrastructure and easing congestion.

                          “We want to explore the possibility of the development of the Bootle rail branch line with Merseytravel and encourage the new owners to take a wider view of regeneration in the area.”

                          Liverpool’s current planning application was approved in July 2004 and the government opted not to call it in. The club hopes the existing permission will cover any increase in size.

                          But Cllr Flo Clucas, executive member for economic development, said: “If there was a completely new planning application and they were looking to increase the size, the Secretary of State could call it in.

                          “That would be a matter for the Secretary of State and the club to deal with.


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                          Council chief executive Colin Hilton said: “I would re-emphasise the need to meet with the club’s new owners again and talk through the stadium issues.

                          “Irrespective of any new capacity, the development is something we wanted to discuss in terms of transport infrastructure and easing congestion.

                          “We want to explore the possibility of the development of the Bootle rail branch line with Merseytravel and encourage the new owners to take a wider view of regeneration in the area.”

                          Liverpool’s current planning application was approved in July 2004 and the government opted not to call it in. The club hopes the existing permission will cover any increase in size.

                          But Cllr Flo Clucas, executive member for economic development, said: “If there was a completely new planning application and they were looking to increase the size, the Secretary of State could call it in.

                          “That would be a matter for the Secretary of State and the club to deal with.

                          “Our concern is the regeneration of Anfield, which is dependent on the club completing the stadium.”

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by rushscored4 View Post
                            As romantic as it would be to stay in Anfield and as much as the area desperately needs regeneration it's obvious that the majority of local residents don't seem to want a new, bigger stadium on their doorsteps. So why not take this opportunity to start again. As somebody said the other day, let's literally go back to the drawing board and reconsider all the other options such as Speke (my preferred choice), Aintree or Kirkby

                            HKS (or RyderHKS as the UK Division is called) are replacing AFL as the architects as I predicted last weekend. Give them a blank piece of paper and tell them to "go build a world class stadium" in an area that wants it, has the roads and the transport links and where there will be less opposition from blue-nosed councillors. Who cares if we don't have the stadium for a few more years? For once, let's think like a big club and just ****ing do it properly...

                            I kinda agree with you mate. If your going to do something, do it properly. I get the impression these guys wont stop at anything to make us as big as they possibly can.
                            I get the impression though there will be alot of angry people if we pull out of the Anfield redevelopment
                            Bill shankly to Tommy Smith after he'd turned up for training with a bandaged knee:
                            'Take that poof bandage off, and what do you mean YOUR knee, it's LIVERPOOL'S knee !'

                            "Sorry, boss, I should have kept my legs together," said Lawrence. "No, Tommy, your mother should have kept her legs together!," replied Shankly.

                            * After Tommy Lawrence had let in a fluke goal between his legs

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by bazza76 View Post
                              i like the idea of bunker suites, but dont see how they will increase the capacity. unless people take turns in sitting watching the game live and using the bunker suites. its a good idea though, but its not as far as i can see, going to change the capacity all that much.
                              I presume the space that is saved will allow more seats to be put in place where the box would be

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