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    Let's put second string in lower league

    Mar 20 2007

    by Chris Bascombe, Liverpool Echo


    RAFA BENITEZ believes a radical overhaul of the reserve league is required in order to nurture more young talent through the ranks.

    The Liverpool boss says the current second string format isn’t providing enough experience or competitive football for those seeking to step up a level.

    "It is clear that the reserve league doesn't work,” said Benitez. “You can see youngsters playing just 18 games a season, that is nothing. Certainly not enough for the development of these players.

    "We can go a month without a reserve match, it is crazy. You then play against teams full of senior players.

    "It is something that we can improve in this country. Or if we do not change we will find other solutions, sending youngsters out on loan like I have done recently.

    "We have a mix of local players and foreign players, and that is the key in the future. You need local players because they have passion, but you need quality as well and sometimes you can buy a player with more quality who is cheaper from abroad.

    "We must look at these kind of things for the future.

    "I do not see a reserve team with four or five senior players playing without passion.

    He added: “These games are for young players.

    "Between 18 and 21-years-old in this country, the players do not know what to do. If they are good enough at 18 they are with the first team but on the bench all the time.

    "Then if you want to improve their level you must change the reserve league system.”

    Benitez believes the Spanish system, in which top clubs have a second string which can play in a lower division, is far superior to that in England.

    His views echoed those recently expressed by Jose Mourinho, who felt Chelsea’s reserves should be able to join the league at a lower level.

    "I was the manager of Castille, Real Madrid's reserve side, and I had players who were 18, 19-years-old playing in the Spanish second division championship,” explained Benitez

    "They were playing against men. They were winning and we finished sixth and fourth. The question is what improves the quality of the players.

    "It is something that must improve here.

    "I would like to see reserve teams of the big clubs like ourselves playing in the Football League. Why not if they have enough quality?

    "That will bridge the gap between the youngsters and the first team. If you do not give young players the chance to play competitive football and to learn things, things become impossible.

    "It is something that needs to change, clearly. I have been here three years and have talked to many people about this, and what I see is players who are 17-years-old and cannot progress.

    "How can you use a 17-year-old in the first-team, unless he is a really top talent like Steven Gerrard, Wayne Rooney or Michael Owen? Players of that ability can play in the Premier League, but you have to be special to do that so young.

    "The rest of the lads need to play at another level, but the reserve league is nothing. I am not sure about them playing in League Two, either, they need to be playing against good players, then they will learn more."

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    #2
    Sorry Rafa, but this is a non starter. It may work in Spain but not in England. You can't kick an existing club out of the league so that big premiership sides can have 2 teams. Equally you couldn't have say Crewe as our 2nd string either as they are an established club with a supporter base of their own. Why should an existing club be ruined because we have no where to play our young talent.
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      #3
      Originally posted by Sir Bob View Post
      Sorry Rafa, but this is a non starter. It may work in Spain but not in England. You can't kick an existing club out of the league so that big premiership sides can have 2 teams. Equally you couldn't have say Crewe as our 2nd string either as they are an established club with a supporter base of their own. Why should an existing club be ruined because we have no where to play our young talent.
      Agreed, but the theory behind it stands.

      Give the lads competative games against better opposition and they will develope into better players.

      What happens if our club's second string got promoted to the prem, surely a conflict of interest.

      Anyway there are million reason why this will never happen.

      The problem still remains, we just need a different solution.
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        #4
        There must be other ways of solving this, without kicking out exisiting clubs.
        What about adjusting the number of teams in the league system, and then the 2nd string teams have to play themselves up the football league, starting from the bottom, but not being able to rise higher than League 1?
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          #5
          he has a point...but i dont see how it could work. Like Sir Bob says you cant just kick a club out.

          Also what happens if your lower league team wins promotion from the 1st div?? do the play premier league aswell?? surely not.

          One things for certain the system doesnt work, and it should be changed
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            #6
            Originally posted by Harveybirdman View Post
            he has a point...but i dont see how it could work. Like Sir Bob says you cant just kick a club out.

            Also what happens if your lower league team wins promotion from the 1st div?? do the play premier league aswell?? surely not.

            One things for certain the system doesnt work, and it should be changed
            There should have to be a minimum of 1 div between the 2 teams from one club. That's the way it is done here, not that it is perfect by any means...
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              #7
              The reserves always used to play the same fixtures as the first team, only at the opposite ground (e.g. when the first team played Villa away, the reserves would play them at home). Now I can see that, given the increased number of subs, etc., they wouldn't be able to play at the same time as the first team, but surely they could arrange it for sometime the same weekend?

              Would ensure regular games for the reserves and give the reserves championship a bit more credibility, like it had when we won it every season!

              Or have not all Premiership teams got reserve teams anymore?
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                #8
                Why dont we stick with the current format but arrange friendlys with the other teams who have the same problem such as Man U and Chelsea?

                Therefore we could then play 30 games instead of 18.
                Forwards.......

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by DannyMan2006 View Post
                  Why dont we stick with the current format but arrange friendlys with the other teams who have the same problem such as Man U and Chelsea?

                  Therefore we could then play 30 games instead of 18.
                  Or just keep loaning players out? That gives them great experience IMO.
                  * The above is posted in my opinion. Feel free to disagree.

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                    #10
                    I reckon a "league" would be more of a motivation to play in, as games would have a more significant meaning.
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by The_weatherman View Post
                      Or just keep loaning players out? That gives them great experience IMO.
                      Sure, but it is much more of a hassle arranging all the loans.
                      Besides, we don't have the opportunity to coach them the LFC style of play(might not be negative anyway....
                      On the plus side, they will have to be more responsible and might grow as persons.
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by tomasjj View Post
                        I reckon a "league" would be more of a motivation to play in, as games would have a more significant meaning.
                        Yes, I agree, it works in Spain, and they could introduce the B teams at conference level and let them play their way up and stop them from promoting from League 1 or 2. There is also the possibility of splitting League 2 in two groups with even more teams then nobody would be kicked out and the standard of teams would maybe go up with the introduction of B teams.
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by The_weatherman View Post
                          Yes, I agree, it works in Spain, and they could introduce the B teams at conference level and let them play their way up and stop them from promoting from League 1 or 2. There is also the possibility of splitting League 2 in two groups with even more teams then nobody would be kicked out and the standard of teams would maybe go up with the introduction of B teams.
                          Will probably not happen in conservative England though.
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                            #14
                            cant we make a new team up??? Ala Wimbledon and FC United?

                            Whats stopping us doing that? they could progress through the non leagues and would be in the championship in 10 yrs
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                              #15
                              I was thinking that myself

                              Question is - is the quality of football good enough at the lower levels, and how would a reserve player be able to be called up to the first team?
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