Makes me chuckle...

[Craig_H]

So you obviously don't even know what that word means

Uh oh, i'm fecked now...you've proved my point about Ronaldo and Gerrard all wrong, beyond defence...

Back to the topic? Or are you not interested in discussing that?

[Red_hot]

How can you assess my attitude on the internet?

MAybe it's because we're covering old ground.

Are we? I assess your attitude by your posts and your replys are unneccessarily aggressive.

[Red Chilli]

I think if we were blasting Rooney for taking a dive it'd be a different matter because rooney doesn't do it all the time, he probably does it as often as Gerrard.
But Ronaldo is a serial cheat.

[Red Chilli]

Are we? I assess your attitude by your posts and your replys are unneccessarily aggressive.

Well you'll have to explain why my posts are any more aggressive than Syds.

[Craig_H]

Who's saying our players are whiter than white? I think we're all big enough to accept that our players do it, and not just the foreign ones. One of the worst offenders was Owen. But even he was not as bad as Ronaldo.

And I'm not so sure Syd's point is specifically about 2 particular dives. And if it is it is kind of a moot point. I'm leaning towards Red Chilli on this one - we're partisan fans, being a football supporter is an extremely subjective experience, defending our players and criticising opponents is part of the job. I'm not going to have a pop at any Red who wants to blast Ronaldo while defending Stevie

My point was specifically relating to those two particular incidents, i can assure you.

Ronaldo's was MORE of a foul than Gerrard's. Yet Ronaldo is Satan, and Gerrard's walking around with a halo....

Laughably biased, beyond normal bias levels

[Dhav]

I think if we were blasting Rooney for taking a dive it'd be a different matter because rooney doesn't do it all the time, he probably does it as often as Gerrard.
But Ronaldo is a serial cheat.

To me this is the key point, not a comparison between two specific incidents, one being a Ronaldo dive the other being a Gerrard dive.

[Craig_H]

I think if we were blasting Rooney for taking a dive it'd be a different matter because rooney doesn't do it all the time, he probably does it as often as Gerrard.
But Ronaldo is a serial cheat.

Ronaldo MAY be a serial cheat. But that doesnt mean every challenge on him ISNT a foul.

And Gerrard may dive less. But that doesnt mean the Sheff Utd 'challenge' on him WAS a pen. Because it so obviously wasnt!

[Craig_H]

To me this is the key point, not a comparison between two specific incidents, one being a Ronaldo dive the other being a Gerrard dive.

But i AM comparing the two incidents.

[Dhav]

My point was specifically relating to those two particular incidents, i can assure you.

Ronaldo's was MORE of a foul than Gerrard's. Yet Ronaldo is Satan, and Gerrard's walking around with a halo....

Laughably biased, beyond normal bias levels

But mate the criticism Ronaldo gets is because he has previous, a whole catalogue of it in fact, while Gerrard's is probably 3-4 incidents at most.

[Craig_H]

But mate the criticism Ronaldo gets is because he has previous, a whole catalogue of it in fact, while Gerrard's is probably 3-4 incidents at most.

Ok, let me put it another way mate...

Yes, Ronaldo has previous. Supposing he wants to cut it out now. Will everyone just keep going back to his 'form', even if he cuts it out?

If so, would it be fair for people to do the same, with regards to SG's tackling? Naysmith, Boetang etc?

Everytime SG goes in with a hard tackle, people go back to those incidents and say he's a dirty fecker who should be banned - would that be fair?

I judge each incident on its own merits, not previous 'form'.

[Red Chilli]

But i AM comparing the two incidents.

I thought you were comparing the REACTION on here to both incidents.

Are you saying Ronaldo was fouled and Gerrard wasn't? That's fine if that's your opinion.

My opinion is different.

[Craig_H]

I am comparing the reaction, but you have to take the incidents themselves into account, in order to do so.

[Dhav]

But i AM comparing the two incidents.

I understand what you're sayng, but what I'm saying is that the criticism for Ronaldo is because of the sheer volumes of times he has dived. Go on youtube and you'll see a whole volume of them. The one against Boro at Riverside, at Spurs, at OT against Boro, that's just this season. Ignore the world Cup and how many times he did it there.

I for one am more likely to give Gerrard the benefit of the doubt than Ronaldo, and it has nothing to do with Liverpool bias.

In an ideal world you would judge each incident on its own merits, but it's not an ideal world. People arejudged by what they have done in the past, and Ronaldo can have no complaints if he is being tarred with this brush

[Red Chilli]

I am comparing the reaction, but you have to take the incidents themselves into account, in order to do so.

Well I think the reaction is based on people's opinions of the players.

Most people in this country think Roanldo is a cheat and the fact that he does it all the time and then says "Maybe it's because I'm too good" has an influence on the reaction.

[Craig_H]

Well I think the reaction is based on people's opinions of the players.

Most people in this country think Roanldo is a cheat and the fact that he does it all the time and then says "Maybe it's because I'm too good" has an influence on the reaction.

Maybe so, but i dont think it's right.

If you'd had a criminal past, but were now going straight, i'm sure you'd not be keen to be wrongly accused of a crime, if you werent guilty of it, just because of your past.

Gerrard though is beginning to build up an unpleasant catalogue of his own, and if it carries on, people will consider him a cheat and slaughter him even when he IS brought down. He'll probably see his reputation precede him and miss out on getting genuine fouls. That's one major reason why i'm so critical of him for diving. You dont seem to get my point on that.